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"FLASH !! FLASH !! MD FOR KAMAL'S "Marudhanayakam" is ZAKIR HUSSAIN - TODAY'S 28 DECEMBER, 1998 "THE HINDU" EDITION - READ THE FOLIO SUPPLEMENT ON MUSIC - PAGE NO. 26.

Topic started by T.MADHAN RAGHAVAN (@ 202.41.117.3) on Sun Dec 28 08:31:48 EST 1997.
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• From: Madhan. (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Sun Dec 28 09:34:50 EST 1997
  
  Dear IR fans -
  
  A shock for all of us -- in today's 28 - 12 -97 Sunday edition of " The Hindu ", the supplement book " Folio " is on Music and it carries an interview of Zakir Hussain on Page no.26 and ZH while talking about his future filmy ventures, has mentioned that he is composing music for Kamal's " Marudhanayakam ".
  
  Whether ZH is composing the music in collaboration with IR and Andrew Lloyd Webber or IR is out of this dream project of Kamal is not known.
  
  can anybody on the TFM's DF please find out whether IR IS STILL ON WITH Marudhanayakam OR IS HE OUT ?
  If he is out, then was it voluntary due to a busy schedule or is there any other reason.?
  
  
  Madhan,Goa
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tc03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Dec 28 09:51:13 EST 1997
  
  Madhan:
  
  This is bad news :(
  
  Why should IR compose with Zakhir Hussain or anybody else ? It should be the other way round.
  
  
• From: r.ravi (@ m31.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Sun Dec 28 13:07:30 EST 1997
  
  Kamal seems to have lost all sense of reality by signing a hindustani musician to play for a story set in the rustic background of Tamil Nadu ( So what if the character of the story turns into a muslim ?). What the hell, he is another actor turned business man like mani ratnam who is sounding the death knell for his career.
  Zakir Hussain and Back ground Score !!!!!!!!
  Kamal has gone insane. Probably a gimmick to market the movie saying zakir's name rather than the films content.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Dec 28 13:25:06 EST 1997
  
  Madhan:
  My understanding at this point from not too reliable sources is that iLayaraja is composing music for the songs while Hussain takes care of the background score. So IR is not "out".
  
  
• From: krishnan (@ 120.denver-01.co.dial-access.att.net) on: Sun Dec 28 14:02:50 EST 1997
  
  Is kamal trying out a Bertulucci/Martin Scorsese like formula like having someone like Peter gabriel as the lead music composer & and L.Subramanian to provide certain melodic background.possibly IR could still be the MD with Zakir providing percussion at some places.
  A wild guess!!!
  
  
• From: gopal (@ 1cust250.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Dec 28 23:25:27 EST 1997
  
  Can anyone guess the real stuff thats going on in Kamal's head? Its not possible! Even if IR is out and Zakir is MD or anyone for that matter, definitely actor/director Kamal will not make a compromise as regards quality!! If ZH is the MD then there must be some real reason behind the decision. Kathirikkai malinja sandhaikku varapOgudhu! We IR fans may fret and fume, but that need not mean kamal is in the losing end.
  Looking back, more than 60% of kamal's films have been scored by IR. In spite of IR not scoring kamals movies in the recent past, they seem to be getting along well.
  For the present, lets forget that kamal is a turncoat! (IR oru maamEdhai! bla bla bla) Otherwise, the only problem facing kamal in engaging IR is the not-so-sacrosanct internicine war in the film industry. Say, what would happen to kamal's production if the war goes on and on and IR is in BRs camp (IR is said to be the first person to have signed and endorsed BR's movement)!! IR would just shrug off in resignation when unity matters!! Its kamals karma to have IR and wait till the war ends! Instead, if someone else is engaged there should not be a problem! (How else can you account for kamal's hiring of ZH from north and no one else from the south??)Even though the idea of getting ZH on grounds of local problems sounds a bit acceptable, ZH totally seems to be a remoter in all respects for this huge project, as there are so many MDs around the northern belt. But ZH is supposedly popular in the world arena to some extent, but still.....
  So, the suitable phrase for the situation is "wait and watch nay hear".
  PoovOdo sErndhu nArum manakkum! (Yaaru poovu, yaaru naaru?) Zakir pathi edhAvadhu news irundhaa solungappa! Endha padam pannaaru? Eppadi music? Tata advertisement maadhiri("We also make steel") "I also play tabla" typaa?? EnnamO pOnga!
  ZH solvadhu kaadhil vizhugiradhu "ArE huzoor, wah! Marudhanaayagam bOliyE"
  
  
• From: AthiNarayanan (@ pm181-03.dialip.mich.net) on: Mon Dec 29 01:03:30 EST 1997
  
  I think there is a web site for this movie.Probably we should express our shock at Kamal's reported choice of Zakir for this movie and probably kamal himself might reply back.We'd know for sure whether this news is completely true.
  
  I think the site is www.kamal.com or something which will be used as Rajkamal's website in the future.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Mon Dec 29 01:25:47 EST 1997
  
  the site is www.kamalhaasan.com
  vijay
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Dec 29 09:08:59 EST 1997
  
  ZH scored music for a Hindi film recently. I forgot the name but the movie is about sibling rivalry between Lata and Asha. I think ZH also acted in the movie.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.3) on: Mon Dec 29 10:53:45 EST 1997
  
  Dear Gopal,
  
  Don't underestimate ZH - periyya pulli in Hindustani classical music - comes from afamily of musicians father is Ustad Alla Rahka, another great exponent of Tabla - what is Ghatam to Vikku Vinayakram, Tabla is to ZH - big shot - but as for composing music for a movie of Marudhanayakam's magnitude, I doubt there is anybody even half as good as IR , leave alone ZH .
  
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Mon Dec 29 12:02:52 EST 1997
  
  Please explain me just this. What is unusual or great about
  marudhanAyagam? What is marudhanAyagam's magnitude?
  the whole thing stinks of snake oil.
  
  
• From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu) on: Mon Dec 29 17:54:26 EST 1997
  
  Karthik Raja has composed background music for MarudanAyagam preview. Then how come Zahir will be the music director? I don't understand what's going on here. Two months back there was an article in Rediff about this project. They also guessed that music director for this movie will be Zahir hussain. But in Ananta vikatan, Karthik Raja accepted he indeed scored BGM for the preview. I think all these hypes will make us eager to find out who the MD is. If IR is not the MD, then not only kamal, IR also missing a golden oppurtunity while he needs some serious comeback to retain his position in TFM. And somebody mentioned IR doesn't have time for this movie. I don't accept this at all. His movie listing is growing and growing everyday and he works with Ramarajan, RV udayakumar but he doesn't have time for kamal. How can I believe this???
  
  
• From: AthiNarayanan (@ pm046-02.dialip.mich.net) on: Tue Dec 30 00:26:55 EST 1997
  
  I already sent a mail to kamal(apparently I guess) after finding the site about this movie.I guess he wouldn't reply but anyway I have given info about TFM discussion forum.Let's see whether anyone from Raj kamal bothers to reply.My guess is this movie is going to have multiple music directors.Kamal has already used somebody from Raja's family(KR) for trailer and so he can't claim that he hasn't used IR at all.
  
  I think there is nothing unusual about this movie except that kamal keeps telling that it is his dream project.Without IR,I can't even imagine how it will turn out to be.Reg IR having time,I don't think he is the sort of person to say no if approached.Reg his working with RVU etc,he likes encouraging new directors and that's good for tamil films.Atleast the ego of people like kamal will be shattered.Already people like Nazar have been proving their mettle.I remember way back in 1993,he used to give interviews that IR has gone to London for finding out how to compose music for this marudhanayagam while actually IR went for symphony.
  
  Kamal is opportunist no: 1 and let me hope he proves me wrong by choosing IR as MD(alone or with other people) for Marudhanayagam.
  
  IR should continue to work for more movies so that we get to hear his great music for lot more years.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: JAX (@ chaos.egr.uh.edu) on: Tue Dec 30 00:32:41 EST 1997
  
  It's not clear why there is so much secrecy about the identity of the MD. Why not ARR or even IR + ARR? Kamal has to get over his dislike for ARR. I think IR really needs to compose for some big guys like Kamal, Rajini or Manirathnam to be back in business in a big way. Though I am (was?) a big fan of IR, I frankly think that his recent music is definitely not all that great (including Kad..Mariyathai). This guy is known for churning out great songs at a stupendous rate(50 movies a year?)...and suddenly he has no time to compose for Kamal(his biggest fan?) or Manirathnam! What the heck? For IR to recapture his glory, he needs to go all out, try new things, do all types of songs, more movies.....
  
  
  
• From: MSK (@ dhcp-877019741.qualcomm.com) on: Tue Dec 30 21:12:42 EST 1997
  
  First of all, IR does'nt have to recapture his Glory.!! he is still very Good and much much better than the likes of deva etc. I am sure not even one MD today in India can compose a song like
  "Muthamile " in Raman Abdullah or " Oru Naal " In devathai. No one can even come Close.!!!
  
  If being in market and scoring crap numbers like
  "athaanda ithaanda " , and copying hollywood stories is what u call glory (exactly what deva and Kamal are doing) then I feel IR better not seek Glory.
  
  
• From: SATHIYAVAGEESWARAN (@ client-151-200-127-146.bellatlantic.net) on: Sun Jan 4 02:15:34 EST 1998
  
  A Request To IR fans,
  
  Ilayaraja has already got all accolades a music director can think of. He has proved that an MD can rule the entire Cine Industry.
  
  He only promoted Kamal, Rajini etc etc. It is unfair for us as raja's fans to expect Kamal a shear oppurtunist to give a chance to IR and enabling IR a comeback. I feel IR may be outside this oppurtunistic and backstabbing cine field instead of making such ugly comeback.
  
  One guy said IR did not do well in "Kadalukku Mariaathai". For your info, "Kadalukku Mariathai" songs are biggest hits of 1997, latest news from Madras, and film is projected to run 100 days in 75 theatres. Please do not give your wishes as information.
  
  Sathya
  
  
• From: Nithin Sreedevan (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Sun Jan 4 13:18:03 EST 1998
  
  Sathya and others here: Raja does not require anyone for a comeback vehicle. I think Haasan has his reasons. Marudhanayam is more of a historical than it is do with fictional or commercial type films. It needs composition on the lines of Gandhi. If you see what I mean, the film probably needs a musical theme that is really antique, classical that certainly imbibes some mughal of moslem influence. We cannot expect Raja to be very authentic and totally classical given such a situation. Perhaps the emphasis in the movie is in the dialogue ( I think Kamal Haasan is digging this opportunity to emulate our VeeraPandiay Ganesan and go full throttle or throat on the dialog aspect. Which means, less scope for musical intervention) A Tabla here or there will sound just fine. Haasan is also a great non-MBA student in marketing, brand promotion, distribution and merchandising. Zakir,. who is a genius in Tabla is know worldwide and historical movies just feel great with classical instruments, a tabla, a sitar (Gandhi) and nothing more or less.
  
  I hope you all agree with this. Therefore, I do not find the need for Raja to be wasting his time with Marudhanayagam. Raja has other projects with which he can claim posterity until the end of time.
  
  And, the loose point concerning Kadhulukku Mariyadai not having great songs, whoever said it has been either from another Time, a few 1000 years back or is just waking up as Rip Van Uncle's Great Grandfather. I am just kidding. Sorry to make a dig at you, Sir.
  
  Let me tell you something, if mankind has taken a million years to evolve to what we were about 2000 years ago, the songs in Kadhulukku Mariyadai, tell us that Raja is continuing his evolutionary process in just 20 years. Like God, he has no end. He is evolving to feed the hunger of the new generation of music lovers and with his new incarnation, he is becoming Immortal.
  
  P.S.: Let us all write to Kamal and ask him when is Raja going to work with him? Also, is there a email address for Amitabh?
  
  
  
  
• From: Arimugam (@ mercmarine.com) on: Tue Jan 6 18:07:18 EST 1998
  
  Koncham kuyappuvom!!..
  If MD is IR :
  In case if Mr. M.Nayagam Oscarkku ponaal (!!!), Eventhough though the film is not getting oscar but at least IR can get an OSCAR for best MD so that we can all be proud of.
  if MD is ZH:
  In case if Mr. M. Nayagam Oscarkku ponaal
  (!!!), Eventhough ZH may not get an award but atleast Kamal can be proud of sending the movie to OSCAR.
  Let us consider marketting.. if the movie is a mega project, then we no need to expect a lot. ZH can compose a music which can go along
  with the story and is easy to market both in south and north India. Tamil mannin manam mattum veesavendumenraal no one can be compared with IR. Ana Story,Screenplay,Direction, Action etc ipdi ellam Kamal pannittu padam IRin musicale mattum hit ayiduthunnu eluthitta Kamal nonthu poyiduvare athaan problem.
  Finally the point is ....Avlo selavu panni dream projecta panra kamale athu pathi kavalai padatha mathiri irukku...konchama selavu panni project parkkamale naama yenunga dream adippanen!!!.
  
  
  
• From: sathya (@ client-151-200-125-101.bellatlantic.net) on: Thu Jan 8 00:35:01 EST 1998
  
  Unfortunately, films from other countries, particularly non-english versions (one of these I am not sure ) are considered only one award in Oscar. i.e. best film from other languages. Music is not considered.
  In 1993, I remember that Kamal in an interview stated that Ilayaraja exclusively for Kamal agreed to dedicate 3 months for Marudhanayagam Music. Did that guy change the story in the mean time so as to accomadate Mohal music or North Indian oriented subject/
  Kamal says that "KEZHVARAGIL NEY VADIYUTHU" now. KETPARUKKU PUTHTHIYILLAI?
  
  Sathya
  
  
• From: Sai Satheesh (@ 205.160.36.65) on: Thu Jan 8 17:37:31 EST 1998
  
  I agree solely with Kamal for not choosing IR. Kamal is investing about 20 crores for this movie. This is going to be a period movie. There has never been a period movie that has been a hit in the last two decades. Now with cinema transcending barriers and Kamal enjoying his popularity rise in Hindi because of Chachi 420 he is definitely making his movie which can be viewed by an all India audience. Naturally the songs has to cater to the taste of all minds. Does India have a true National Director. No . Rehman can be counted as one of the close contenders but not all his music has been a hit with the audience. Bombay and Roja were sucessful but it didn't help with other films. The problem with Marudanayagam is that it takes place in Tiruneveli district and the songs and music has to cater an all India audience. IR can certainly do a great job in the Background score but not definetly with the songs. The songs if he scores will be authentic and a big hit in at most South India. IR didn't achieve sucess with Sazaa-E-Kalapaani. The background score was appreciated by all critics but you need worthy songs(the tamil and malayalam version were great but not hindi) to pull a movie nowadays. I remember the same thing happening when Appu Raja was released. People did not understand the music. Kamal himself said in an interview that probably he should have asked IR to score with a national audience in mind.
  
  Kamal might have said in 93 that IR will be scoring. So many things have changed between 93 and now that he is right in not choosing IR. So what are his options - choose any of the copy cats like Deva, Anu Malik - NO. Go with Rahman - he has a problem there in communicating and ego clashes. Go with any of the old timers who have capability to score for this movie - I can think of Laxmikant-Pyarelal. They did a great job in Utsav (a period movie). But they are too old now. So choose somebody who is internationally and nationally known - ZH. So my hunch is that ZH will compose the songs and Karthik Raja will do the background score.
  
  I am really disappointed in IR not scoring for this movie. If he scores it will be great but not appreciated by an national audience.
  
  
• From: Sathya (@ client-151-200-127-142.bellatlantic.net) on: Thu Jan 8 18:37:27 EST 1998
  
  As far as a periodic movie is concerned, BGM will be of primary concern. It will be worthwhile to remember that For Miss World Contest, the music was planned to accomadate 13 cultures. Amitab came Raja and not anybody else. The reasons Kamal chosen are nao difinitely regarding Raja's potential. Normally Raja spends 4 days in BGM and 2 days for songs. Probably he might have spent double the time for Kamal. Since he has committed 3 months exclusively for Kamal, it shows the complexity of the film by his estimate. But recently Kamal in an interview to Kumudham said that Raja's market is not good, I like Raja to be my MD, but not the producers. So he tries to sell the film with Zakir's worldwidw Market. But the dilemma in finalising is the complexity of the music. He cannot compromise on Quality. If at a stage he believes that Zakir cannot give what the film really requires, he will come back to Raja with all reasons. He is oscillating between QUALITY & MARKET. Otherwise the MD would have been finalised.
  I have a small clarification. somebody can help. I heard about Zakir's talents in Tabela, but I am not aware of his compositions. Did he compose any albums or Has he done music for films?
  
  Sathya
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Thu Jan 8 18:37:32 EST 1998
  
  mr.sai,
  u are making the selection of zakir hussain sound very obvious.if u had not known who the MD was for marudanaayagam would u have ever in your wildest dreams imagined that zakir hussain was going to be the MD ?now that u know that he is the MD ,u are making it sound
  very obvious .
  vijay
  
  
• From: Sai satheesh (@ 205.160.36.65) on: Fri Jan 9 13:56:07 EST 1998
  
  vijay
  
  you are right. ZH was a surprise choice. But if you look at it there are only a few people in India who are known internationally & nationally. Nobody has heard of ZH other than major metro cities. He has composed 3 songs in a movie called Saaz. all of them are classical compositions. I don't think he ever scored BGM. But he has worked on pieces for various international musicians. He might have had some input on those. Zh is indeed a surprise choice. If Kamal wants to market this film internationally its going to be without songs. So it sjust a matter of marketing in India.
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Sun Jan 11 22:11:08 EST 1998
  
  One BIG doubt.
  
  What is this 'International' stuff?
  
  
• From: Guru Prasad (@ lhssac009.lib.uic.edu) on: Tue Jan 20 19:45:03 EST 1998
  
  Dear Friends
  
  I was going thru this discussion and looks like each one has a point. but just imagine a person like Raaja would be the only composer of a dream project like M nayagam. Somebody was commenting that Raja's style would not be appreciated by all audiences. Does anyone know what is Raja's style. He can compose a full time grameeya isai like Kargattakaran, he can compose a full time carnatic isai like in Sindhu Bairavi, he can compose a full time meldious isai like Mouna Ragam, he can compose a full time fast isai like Agni Nakshathiram, he can do something for children like in Anjali, he can compose a symphony where no Asian can even dream of, he can compose music for Ramarajan one day and Manirathnam the next day. Tell me one composer who can do this ever. If Raja can compose the BGM in 2 days. A film like MNayagam would hardly take him a week to compose. I am sure there something fishy going on at Kamals end. Lets all like Athinarayanan write to kamal at Kamalhaasan.com
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: SATHIYAVAGEESWARAN (@ client-151-200-126-201.bellatlantic.net) on: Wed Jan 21 08:56:31 EST 1998
  
  Kamal himself knows about Raja better than anybody else and his decision is not based on raja's potential to do music for the film. I am sure if Raja cannot do music for that film, nobody else in India can do it. It seems Marudhanayagam is a guy born from Tirunelveli. What is Zakir going to do with Tirunelveli? Kamal's intention is about the 400 theatres in North India than the 75 theatres in Tamilnadu.
  If Kamal directs a film, it is a special occasion for us. But north Indians don't care. To reach their attention he does all these things. His ultimate aim is to make money out of the film as well as salvaging his pride as a Director. A good music to the film is of secondary concern. If he can make the film a mega hit with even a junk music he is ready to go for it rather than falling in sentiments.
  To some extent his attitude cannot be criticised. Virtually Mahanathi was directed by him. He got the best music from Raja. But our people did not endorse the film. Then why should he go for quality when it does not make an impact in the public? That is why he became a Trader rather than a Director. He cannot afford to a failure in Marudhanayagam. That is why he is working out all possible things. If at a stage he concludes that only a quality music is more essential than anything else, he will be back at Raja's house.
  
  
• From: T.Madhan (@ 202.41.117.44) on: Wed Jan 21 11:35:24 EST 1998
  
  Dear Sathya,
  
  SABAASH!! so at last you have made a point slightly in support of Kamal !
  
  Madhan,Goa.
  
  
• From: nagarajan (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Apr 23 11:33:38 EDT 1998
  
  Latest News....
  
  MARUDHANAYAGAM project may be dropped.....
  Kamal is upset because producers changed their
  mind at the last minute...
  
  see latest issue of dinakaran..
  
  
• From: T.Madhan (@ 202.41.117.71) on: Thu Apr 23 15:06:18 EDT 1998
  
  Hello,Mr.Nagaraj,
  
  MARUDHANAYAGAM is produced by KAMAL himself - so
  where is the question of "producers" changing their minds ?
  In fact, the rights of the movie have been sold at an astronomical price to
  an array of distributors and Kamal is neck deep into the movie - try and get your facts right.
  
  
• From: Vels (@ 146.175.224.100) on: Thu May 28 09:28:43 EDT 1998
  
  Hi! Guys - What is the latest info. about Marudhanayagam? Any idea? I read in one article that Kamaa has gone to foreign for fixing costumes for his DREAM MOVIE. Please post if you any other details about the movie.
  
  
• From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.86) on: Fri Jun 19 02:32:12 EDT 1998
  
  Latest News(19.6.98).
  
  Kamal now change his mind.He want IR to score music for Marudhanayagam.Kamal now discuss with IR.IR also say that,he want to score new type of music for this film.IR realy a genius and will became as a no.1 music director/composer in the world.
  
  

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