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Why Raja did not introduce any
new Singers like AR.AR has introduced many new voices,
(Infact Raja did use Hariharan's voice)

Topic started by SRIKANTH (@ 158.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on Wed Dec 24 16:02:56 EST 1997.
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• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Wed Dec 24 17:39:22 EST 1997
  
  IR did introduce many new singers.
  
  Arun Mozhi
  Ramesh
  Jency
  Chitra
  Swarnalatha
  Min Mini
  Sunandha
  Subha
  
  Was MV introduced by IR? What about Jayachandran?
  
  I would say IR was quite picky about his singers.
  Half the singers introduced by ARR are not fit to
  sing thamizh songs.
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Wed Dec 24 17:40:20 EST 1997
  
  I missed Mano
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ 1cust60.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Wed Dec 24 18:37:07 EST 1997
  
  Hobot SP Shailaja?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Dec 24 23:36:08 EST 1997
  
  Swarna was introduced by MSV.. hey haven't we had this discussion before... engE pOi iurndheenga Srikanth?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Thu Dec 25 00:48:53 EST 1997
  
  what about deepan chakravarthy,uma ramanan and surendar?were they introduced by IR?
  
  rahman introduces singers by the dozen and thay all vanish in a year's time.lots of names like
  noel,anupama,caroline,james,febi mani,etc. were
  heard.but none of them could make it big in the
  film music world.they jut sing some songs here and there and that too only for AR.
  vijay
  
  
• From: kee (@ brk-23-106.tm.net.my) on: Thu Dec 25 01:58:35 EST 1997
  
  At least ARR introduced them to the world.They might get chance sooner or later.What did IR do?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Thu Dec 25 02:29:29 EST 1997
  
  kee,
  pl. see top of the page for the singers introduced by IR,u might want to take back your statement.most of the singers mentioned above
  in IR's list have sung some memorable songs and more than half of them continue to lead the race in tamilnadu.
  vijay
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 5.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Dec 27 10:51:02 EST 1997
  
  Arun Mozhi - HAS DONE ONLY FEW SONGS
  Ramesh - NOT HEARD OF
  Jency - OLD SINGER, NOT SUNG FOR ANYBODY OTHER THAN IR...
  Chitra - AGREED GREAT INTRO
  Swarnalatha - intro by MSV.
  MinMini - JUST FEW , AR MADE HERE POPULAR
  Sunandha - JUST FEW!
  Subha - AR MADE HER POPULAR
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  Singer introduced by Ar, sings the lead or
  sings harmony for many of the latest hits
  He changed the trend of S.Janaki for all the songs, Today we hear many many new voices.
  
  Raja was loyal to S.Janaki because she helped hin in his earlier stages of life.
  
  Mr. vijay says,
  "Rahman introduces singers by the dozen and thay all vanish in a year's time.lots of names like
  noel,anupama,caroline,james,febi mani,etc. were
  heard"
  
  How do you know these names,
  AR publishes all the singers name in the realease, he made them popular.
  Noel, Anu,Srinivas, Harini all are quite busy in India. (I know thos because they are my friends)
  (For that matter Noel James is Asst. to AR)
  
  Ar also made the instrumentalist popular,
  Keith peters - Bass, Parasana - guitar, Siva mani
  drum and percussion, Naveen - flute,
  
  Raja has not published his orchestra's name until now ---> it is only Raja!
  (Viji manual - Keyboards, Parsad- Tabla,
  ...have you heard of them!
  they all play for raja for quite some years now)
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Sat Dec 27 18:30:07 EST 1997
  
  if raja had to publish his orchestra's names
  it would require 2to 3 pages with every tape.he has a huge and a wonderful orchestra,whereas rahman does all the music with machines which explains why the songs do not have lasting power.
  regarding SJ ,whether IR was loyal to her or not is completely a different topic.that he gave innumerable and fantastic melodies with her
  is relevent.how many songs of SJ can be listed under AR?
  regarding noel,james etc. you and me might be knowing the names but if u go to a village in TN
  and say about james or caroline they'll give a blank look.whereas if u say SPB or chitra or SJ or swarnalatha they'll recognise them immediately.
  that is the greatness of IR.music crosssing all
  regional and language barriers.
  
  subha first became popular due to her english
  mixed tamil song in nadodo thendral which is just a fantastic piece.sambo sambo in pudiya mugam
  cannot be compared with the song.
  if u say arunmozhi has sung only a few songs then what about caroline or anupama etc.
  everyone including the great SPB gets to sing only a few songs because rahman keeps on
  bringig in new stuff.his aim is just to get a different voice on to the soundtrack in order to
  get attention.whereas with a limited set of singers IR has done wonders.
  
  it is not enough to just introduce people.u should groom them like what IR did with chitra,swarnalatha etc.i can include even SJ in this list though she was not introduced by him.
  IR has exploited has versatility making her sing all the 'mukkal monagal' songs and also melodious ones at the same time.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 164.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Dec 27 21:35:49 EST 1997
  
  Hi Vj
  Viay says :
  ................................a few songs because rahman keeps on
  bringig in new stuff.his aim is just to get a "different voice" on to the soundtrack in order to get attention.whereas with a limited set of singers IR has done wonders.
  
  This argument is won, Thats what i meant.
  AR has introduced more,
  
  I am one of greatest fan of Raja, I did not talk about Raja's music. Rajas music cannot be compared to anyone,
  Heis the best!,
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Sat Dec 27 23:39:48 EST 1997
  
  the argument is not about who introduced more.
  as i have mentioned previously i have already said that ARR might have introduced more singers.Kee has also said the same thing before.the point which i wa trying to make was how many of them stood the test of time?ARR
  might win just the number game.if i become a
  MD tomorrow even i can introduce 20 new singers in my first film and ask them to sing 6 trashy songs.though i might not get any more films i'll be rated first when it comes to who has introduced more singers?is this what we are looking for ?just numbers?think it over,guys.
  vijay
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Sun Dec 28 00:02:00 EST 1997
  
  i would like to add further.the topic for this thread if we read carefully is why IR has not introduced new singers LIKE ARR?
  my answer is simple.look at ARR and see what has happened to those new ones he has introduced by the dozen?IR does not want something like that to happen .(anyway what has IR really lost by not introducing many singers?nothing .with a limited number he has given the best music.ultimately that is want everyone expects of a MD)
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Dec 29 09:04:29 EST 1997
  
  Since when did introducing junk singers like Udit Narayan and Suresh Peters become a criteria for judging a composer's abilities ?
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Mon Dec 29 09:35:19 EST 1997
  
  In-Demand-Now Sujatha was introduced by IR way back in the late 70's. (Kadhal oviyam kandEn - Kavikkuyil; Kalaippaniyil - Gayathri) It is strange that she 'forgot'to mention about IR in one of her recent interviews.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.238) on: Mon Dec 29 15:24:01 EST 1997
  
  also infact gokul has forgotten mano in the list of singers introduced by raja.mano has been used by ARR extensively.
  vijay
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-93.bellatlantic.net) on: Mon Dec 29 19:10:49 EST 1997
  
  A singer called Radhika was introduced by IR in Aradhanai. I think IR also introduced NAgoor Haniffa to TFM. How about MGSreekumar, Preethi (Rasayya)-daughter of Uttam Singh (MD of Dil to Pagal Hai), Mitali, Asha Bhonsle, Lata Magneshkar (to TFM) ...
  
  
  
• From: Karthick (@ 20.14.213.226) on: Wed Jun 17 18:11:49 EDT 1998
  
  I agree Both Raja and ARR are great artists of their own kind but the fact is that ARR introduces a lot of them. The very simple evidence for this fact is that just compare the life span of both in Film Industry. ARR has introduced as many number of people as Raja has. But ARR has a lot of future to go ahead, Imagine how many more he could Introduce. Raja too should have done the same.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.27.248) on: Wed Jun 17 19:03:44 EDT 1998
  
  hi guys,
  this thread has witnessed a lot of arguments between me and srikanth and it ended rather abruptly . my point was it is not enough if u just introduce a singer ,give him or her a song and then u as well as other MD's forget about them.it is my opinion that the MD should be able to groom the singer and bring out the best in them.
  IR has done this to
  
  jency,
  sasirekha,
  malaysia vaasudevan
  uma ramanan
  deepan chakravarthy
  mano
  chithra
  jeyachandran etc..
  
  some of the singers might not have been introduced by IR but they are rememberd only for IR's songs.
  
  Perhaps IR does not care much about the no. of singers he has introduced but cares better about how well the singers he has introduced so far can sing and how well can he extract the best out of them.if u see the above list except for perhaps chithra the others are just average talents and not prodigal geniuses.but still they were able to give us some memorable numbers because of IR.
  
  ARR has introduced singers by the dozen and perhaps barring one or two none has made a major impact.they all sing one song and then disappaear.
  
  examples.. febi mani,suresh peters,caroline,anupama etc.
  
  so it is better to concentrate on a few bunch of singers and make them sucessful rather than making a failure out of many.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc36.pr.mcs.net) on: Wed Jun 17 23:07:50 EDT 1998
  
  In my opinion, the reasons for Illaiyaraja Corp not introducing many more new singers and also why his albums does not show credits to musicians, sound recording engineers, studio manager, dubbing manager, etc.. are as follows:
  
  Illaiyaraja Corp could not introduce new singers at the rate at which songs were recorded, background music was scored. To have come this far having given music for nearly 750 movies and also spent time teaching new singers to sing his songs, avoiding the frustration from several takes, just think of all this folks. Raja had the dual responsibility of operating a factory and yet turn out quality stuff. You know how much time it takes to get a reasonable take from a new artiste. ARR can afford to do that, when he does about 10 movies a year and about 50 songs. Raja's output is on the average over 200 songs per year, except when he took off in the years 1993-1996 for his symphony and other matters. I hope this argument makes sense/
  
  Second, regarding giving credits, Raja is dealing with a big orchestra. Unlike ARR, who depends on his small team to replicate the sounds on actual instruments that comes from his keyboards, Raja's write notations for his entire orchestra. I have seen him do that, standing there the whole day and doing the thinking and illustrating for the entire team, not wait for each one to show him samples and then let Raja decide which one is good!!
  
  See, guys you and I cannot imagine any professional in this world to display such immaculate planning and decision making. To facilitate the immediate channelising and presentation of the 101 tunes that keep running in his mind day in and out, Raja has made such effective choices in keeping predictable singers and also showing in the credits that he is a one man show and everybody artist is his employee.
  
  BTW, Raja has given credits to the major musicians in his non-filmi albums! As he has himself said that non-filmi albums depend to a lot on highly skilled instrumentalists only based on whose skills can Raja write such albums. Such examples are Hari Prasad Chaurasia, VS Narasimhan (BTW he gets credit in Raja Parvai and many other movies for his viiolin solo pieces that appear in the albums).
  
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Jun 18 12:52:56 EDT 1998
  
  I can not understand one thing, what is wrong in
  seeing new singers coming and singing the songs, suited to their style. Why we have to expect them
  to be groomed by mds. Every singer has a unique
  style, and ARR uses them only for those kind of songs. Infact this whole concept of specialised
  singers is a ARR phenomenon. I do not expect and do not want anupama or febi to sing 'padayiren padipariyen', at the same time, dont like chitra
  singing 'chandralekha' or 'akila akila'. Is it not boring to hear SJ and SPB singing all songs, when there are so many of other singers, capable of singing few of them. It is good for TFM that ARR is doing this. I dont think ARR should valued or devalued based on this factor, but it is just
  one of the welcome changes, he brought to TFM.
  
  e.hari
  
  

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