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Topic started by RV (@ 1cust86.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on Wed Dec 31 02:23:07 EST 1997.
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From: RV (@ 1cust86.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Wed Dec 31 02:25:41 EST 1997

As Nov suggested in the thread "Paattum Naane Bhavamum Naane", I am starting a separate thread for TMS in a classical vein. That thread has gotten really really long. Can a TFM mgr break that into at least two parts viz. TMS giving voice to several actors and TMS in various moods ?

Once again this thread is

TMS IN CLASSICAL VEIN
From: RV (@ 1cust86.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Wed Dec 31 02:29:20 EST 1997

As Rajaraman can affirm, my knowledge about carnatic music can be summarized on a pinhead. I am just going by whatever "appears" to be a raga based song to me.

1. Yaar Tharuvaar Indha Ariyasanam - Mahakavi Kalidas - Atana
2. Mugatthil Mugam Parkkalam - Thangap Padumai - ??
3. Sundari Sowndari Nirandariye - Thookuth Thooki - ??
4. Kurangilirundhu Pirandavan Manidhan - Thookuth Thooki - ??
5. Madhavip Pon Mayilal - Iru Malargal - ???
6. Paattum Naane - Thiruvilaiyadal - ??
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Dec 31 03:16:11 EST 1997

The following are some of my favourites:
(I think all these are based on carnatic raagaas)

isai kEttaal puvi asaindhaadum
ulagin mudhal isai thamizh isaiyE
(both from Thavap pudhalvan)

sivakaami aadavandhaal nataraajan enna seyvaan
kaRpanaikku mEni thandhu kaal salangai pOttuvittEn
(both from Paattum Bharadhamum)
(Ramki: I say MSV is the MD; shall we have a bet?)

konja nEram ennai maRandhEn
(Siriththu vaazha vENdum)

naan paadidum kavidhaiyin sandham
(Samayalkaaran)

malligai mullai ponmozhi kiLLai
(Annan oru kOyil)

ammaanai azhagu migum kaNmaanai
maalayittaan oru mannan angu mayangi nindraaL oru annam
en manadhu ondruthaan un meedhu njaabagam
(Avan oru sariththiram)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td06.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Dec 31 10:15:23 EST 1997

Keerthi:
MSV is the MD for Paattum Bharadhamum (Source: Title Credits in my videotape)

RV:
The following seem to have classical touches--need an expert to confirm the raagams.

aadaadha manamum uNdoa--with MLV in Mannadhi Mannan
maasillaa nilavae--Ambikaapathy
vadivelum maiyilum thuNai--Ambikaapathy
muththaiththaru pathi thirunagai--AruNagirinadhar
nee ennenna sonnaalum kavidhai--U.Sutrum Vaaliban (very unsure about this one)
From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.238) on: Wed Dec 31 14:34:06 EST 1997

RV,
madhavi ponmayilal sounds like atana.
paatum naane is like gowri manohari
kanchana,
maasila nilave is a raagamalika,i remember one of the raagas as punnagavaarali,perhaps the last stanza in the song.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta05.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Dec 31 17:03:25 EST 1997

Vijay:

Isn't madhavi pon mayilaaL karaharapriya?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta05.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Dec 31 17:08:14 EST 1997

Vijay:

Your reference to punnagavaraLi reminded me of this song:

naadhar mudi mael irukkum nalla paambae--Thiruvarutchelvar--punnaagavaraaLi
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.59) on: Wed Dec 31 21:10:09 EST 1997

My favourite topic.. : )

TMS exelled in many such semi-classical songs.They were easy to hear for laymen and at the same time didn't compromise on classicm. Let us recollect some.

mugathil mugam paarkkalaam - kalyani
sundari sowndari - kurinji
kurangilirunthu - shanmugapriya
maadhaviponmayilaal - karaharapriya
paatum naane - gowrimanohari (superb!)
isai kettaal puvi asainthaadum - yaman kalyan
sivakaami aadavnthaal - ragamalika (starts with amirthavarshini)
karpanaikku menithanthu - chakravaham
konja neram - saranga
aadaatha manamum undo - latangi
masila nilave - ragamalika (maand, sankarabaranam,punngavarali)
nee ennenna sonnaalum - bageshri

Appuram..
vasanthamullai - charukesi
vaadaamalare enathanbe - muhaari
raadhe unakku kobam - senjuruti (originally by MKT)
neeye unakku endrum - suddha dhanyasi

I'll continue later..
From: Raja. P. (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Fri Jan 2 03:59:22 EST 1998

Hello

I would like to add some more songs,

Sindanai Sey manamae Seidhal Theevinai Ahanridumae, Sivaghami Mahanai Sanmuganai Sindanai.....(movie: Ambikabathi (I think))

Chinnanchiriya Vanna Paravai Ennathai Cholludamma, Adu Innisaiyodu Thannai Marandhu Sonnadhai Cholludama......(movie: Kunkumam)

Suhamana Raham Suvai ana Tamil paatu Noye theerkum marundallavo....(with Seerkali Govind.)

Moonduru Tamil Thonriyadum Unnidamo Nee moovaendar vazhi vanda mannavano.....(along with PS I think. Is it right? what is the name of the movie?)

Naan Isaikkum Raham yellam Avan Thanda Yogam.. Maan vizum Saerndu vittal mayangum puspa raham....(name of the movie???)

More later.

P.Raja
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Fri Jan 2 04:00:03 EST 1998

Innum sila raagangal..

sabarimalayil - aanandha bairavi (the self-composed "karpagavalli" is another superb example)
aerikkarayin mele - aarabhi
aadavendum mayile - bairavi
ponnondru kanden - brindavana saranga
chinnachiriya vanna paravai - darbari kanada
ammaanai - dharmavathi
kalviyaa selvamaa veeramaa - kambhoji
naan petra selvam - johnpuri
Onkaaramaai vilangum naadham - keeravani
nilave nee ingu - mayamalava gowla
pallavan pallavi - neelambari
chithamellaam enakku - sindhu bairavi

He has also sung many devotional songs with pure classical flavour. Athuvum avarudaya munthaya kaalathu paadalgal-ai antha ganeer kural-a kettaa... ahaa!
From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Fri Jan 9 15:06:09 EST 1998

Surprising that this topic is dying out. Anyway, I will summarize in the weekend.
From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-4.rutgers.edu) on: Fri Jan 16 18:04:58 EST 1998

vijay, Rajaraman and kanchana,

Is not the last stanza of the song "maasilaa nilave nam kaadalai" i.e.

"vaanam inge!bhoomi inge!vaazhvu thaazhvenge! .............ini naanum vaerillai!" set on Mukhari?
From: saketh (@ calloway-b-asy-9.rutgers.edu) on: Sat Jan 17 18:48:22 EST 1998

more additions to the list

1. "Ponnezhil poothadhu pudhu vaanil" from kalangarai vilakkam - Bagesri

2. Azhagu deivam mella mella adi edutthu vaithado- kanana? (from "paesum deivam")

3. malarndhu malaraadha - kanada

4. sindhu nadhikarai oram - aberi

5. sindhanai sei maname - kalyani

6. thedi vandaen pulli maanai - bairavi
From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Wed Jan 28 20:46:39 EST 1998

Idhu enge aavadhu archives pogama irukka oru posting. Mannikkannum.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jan 31 14:10:48 EST 1998

I watched two songs on a oliyum oLiyum type video without the movies' names. Both are from raja--rani movies, are sung by TMS/PS, and have a classical flavor.

vizhiyalai mElE chemmeen pOlE
viLayAdum selvamE vA (Sivaji--Jamuna)

kaNNE karumbE kaniyamudhE (Sivaji--Padmini, Uththama Puththiran??)
From: RV (@ 1cust96.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Sat Jan 31 14:20:45 EST 1998

Kanchana:
UPutthiran paattu

Anbe Amudhe Arunganiye
Aananda Vaazhve Kaanbom Naam Iniye
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jan 31 14:39:14 EST 1998

RV:
Thank you. neenga sonnadhudhAn sariyaana paattu..sorry for composing my own lines...
So, what ragams are these two songs in?
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.73) on: Sat Jan 31 21:09:58 EST 1998

Anbe amuthe - senchuruti

Innoru paattu naan kettathillai.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tf02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Feb 2 09:31:39 EST 1998

Rajaraman:
Thank you. vizhiyalai mElE chemmeen pOlE is an old song with sounds of horses' hooves in the interlude. kadaisi charaNaththil rAgam mARi, appuRam pallavikku varum pOdhu pazhaya rAgam thirumbi varum. padam/MD enakkuth theriyAdhu.
From: Ramki (@ cs509.cs.wmich.edu) on: Mon Feb 2 09:53:01 EST 1998

kanchana there are only 2 films that had sivaji jamuna combo(as far as i know). One is 'nichaya thambulam'and the other is 'bommai kalyanam'.
But bommai kalyanam is not a raja rani movie.
so there must be one(or few more)films in this combo
From: Sathya (@ ppp-18.ts-1.hp.idt.net) on: Mon Feb 2 16:37:18 EST 1998

Kanchana:
Sivaji,Jamuna moovie neenga sonna paattu
Marutha naattu veeran padam. MD:S.V.Venkatraman.
athil oru TMS paadal "oruvarai oruvar uNarnthu koNdaalE".
athu enna raagam, Rajaraman?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk01.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Feb 2 21:01:18 EST 1998

Sathya:
padaththin peyar sonnadhaRku nandRi. (Good try Ramki.)
From: tims (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Tue Feb 3 03:35:45 EST 1998

Ramki:

Sivaj - Jamuna also starred in "thangamalai ragasiyam" (amuthai poziyum nilavE)

Is there any carnatic background to this song
from ?????

I will sing for you
I will dance for you
Atamenna solluni thOzi nAn AdiduvEn konja nAzi

I like the tune changing from fast to some carnatic style

(that was from a Sivaji's guest role movie ??)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Feb 3 04:24:31 EST 1998

I will sing for you is in the movie
ManidharuL Manickam (AVMR is the hero).
Sivaji acts as a crazy doctor.
From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Wed Feb 11 18:46:52 EST 1998

List of TMS in a classical vein songs;

1. Mahakavi Kalidas - Yaar Tharuvar Indha Ariyasanam - Atana

2. Thookuth Thooki - Sundari Sowndari Nirandhariye - Kurinji
3. Thookkuth Thookki - Kurangilirundhu Pirandhavan Manidhan - Shanmugapriya

4. Thangap Padumai - Mugatthil Mugam Paarkkalam - kalyani

5. Iru Malargal - Madhavip Pon Mayilal - Karaharapriya

6. Thiruvilayadal - Paattum Naane - Gowri Manohari

7. Thavap Pudalvan - Isai Kettal Puvi Asaindhadum - Yeman Kalyani

8. Thavap Pudalvan - Ulagin Mudhal Isai

9. Paattum Barathamum - Karpanaikku Meni Thandhu - Chakravaham

10. Paattum Bharathamum - Sivakami Aada Vandhaal - Raga Malika

11. Siritthu Vazha Vendum - Konja Neram Ennai Marandhen - Saranga

12. Samayalkaaran - Naan Paadidum Kavidhaiyin Sandham

13. Annan Oru Kovil - Malligai Mullai

14. Avan Oru Saritthiram - Ammaanai Azhagu Migum - Dharmavathi

15. Avan Oru Saritthiram - Malaiyittan Oru Mannan

16. Avan Oru Saritthiram - En Manadhu Ondrudhaan

17. Mannadhi Mannan - Adadha Manamum Undo ( with MLV ) - Latangi

18. Ambikapathi - Masila Nilave Nam - Ragamalika

19. Ambikapathi - Vadivelum Mayilum Thunai -

20. Ambikapathi - Sindhanai Sei Maname - Kalyani

21. Thiruvarutchelvar - Nadhar Mudi Melirukkum - Punnaga Varali

22. Thiruvarutchelvar - Sitthamellam Enakku -
Sindhu Bhairavi

23. Arunagirinathar - Mutthaith Thiru Pathi

24. US Valiban - Nee Ennenna Sonnalum Kavidhai - Bageshri

25. Sarangadhara - Vasantha Mullai - Charukesi

26. Bale Pandiya - Neeye Unakku Endrum Nigaranavan - Suddha Dhanyasi

27. Kungumam - Chinnanjiriya Vannap Paravai - Darbari Kanada

28. Swami Ayyappan - Sabari Malaiyin Vannach - Anandha Bhairavi

29. Mudhalali - Yeri Karaiyin Mele

30. Paditthal Mattum Poduma - Ponnondru Kanden - Brindavana Saranga

31. Saraswathi Sabadam - Kalviya Selvama Veerama - Kamboji

32. Kalangarai Vilakkam - Pallavan Pallavi Paadattume - Neelambari

33. Kalangarai Vilakkam - Ponnezhil Pootthadhu - Bageshri

34. Pesum Dheivam - Azhagu Dheivam Mella Mella - Kanada ?

35. Pasa Malar - Malarndhum Malaradha - Kanada

36. Utthama Putthiran - Anbe Amudhe - Senjurutti

37. Maruda Naattu Veeran - Oruvarai Oruvar Unarndhu Kondale

38. ??? - Vada Malare Enadhanbe - Mugari

39. ??? - Radhe Unakku Kobam - Senjurutti

40. ??? - Sugamana Ragam ( with Seerkazhi ) - ???

41. ??? - Moodru Thamizh Thondriyadhum ( with PS ) - ???

42. ??? - Naan Isaikkum Ragam Ellam - ???

43. ??? - Adavendum Mayile - Bharivai

44. ??? - Naan Petra Selvam - Johnpuri

45. ??? - Onkaramai Vilangum Naadham - Keeravani

46. ??? - Nilave Nee Ingu - MM Gowla

47. ??? - Sindhu Nadhik Karai Oram - Aberi

48. ??? - Thedi Vandhen Pulli Mane - Bairavi

49. Manidharul Manikkam - I will sing for you - ???

Karpagavalli Nin, a non TFM but very popular devotional song is in Anandha Bhairavi. It was composed by TMS.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Feb 11 23:20:00 EST 1998

RV:

Some corrections ...

24. song is from Netru Indru Naalai

29. raagaa of song: Arabi

38. The first lines of the song:
TMS: vaadaa malarE thamizh thEnE
B'Mathy: aaraavamuthE enathanbE
The song is from Ambikapathy. Rajaraman says this is
the first duet made in Mukhari. Another song in
Mukhari is kanavu kaNdEn naan kanavu kaNdEn
(TMS-Leela) from Sivagangai Seemai. This song should be
added to your list.

39. movie: KulamagaL Raadhai; The same song (same
tune) has been sung by MKT in some movie.

41. movie: Pillayo Pillai

44. movie: Naan Petra Selvam

46. NilavE nee indha sEthi sollaayO -- movie: pattinathaar
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Feb 12 00:01:49 EST 1998

RV:

Here are some more, taken from the TFM page:

50. poo maalaiyil Or malligai -- Ooty Varai Uravu -- Abhogi

51. vaNakkam pala muRai sonnEn - Avan Oru Sariththiram -- Abhogi

52. naNdooRudhu nariyooRudhu -- KaaLi? -- Basanth Mukhari

53. muththukkaLO kaNgaL -- Nenjirukkum Varai -- Bridavana Saranga

54. muththunagaiyE unnai naanaRivEn -- Brindavana Saranga -- EnThambi

55. kEttadhum koduppavanE Krishna Krishna -- Dheiva Magan - Kalyani

56. thamizh maalai thanai choodavaa -- A'pathy -- kAmbOj

57. mullai malar mElE - U.Puththiran - kAnadA

58. arththamuLLa indhu madham enna sonnadhu -- ? --kAnadA

59. chOzhanin magaLE vaa -- Nenjukku Needhi -- kApi

60. mahAraajan ulagai -- Karnan -- Karaharapriya

61. bansaayee -- U.Su.Vaa -- Mohanam

62. ninaindhu ninaindhu nenjam -- Satharam -- Shanmugapriya

63. solladi Abhirami -- Adhi Parasakthi -- MMGowla

64. kallellaam maaNikka -- A.Mani - MMGowla

65. ennai yaarendru eNNi eNNi - P.Pazhamum - Sindhubairavi

66. thottaal poo malarum -- Padagotti -- Sudhdha Dhanyasi

67. iravum nilavum -- Karnan - Sudhdha Sarang
From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Thu Feb 12 16:20:32 EST 1998

sathiya keerthi,

50. poo maalaiyil Or malligai - Aberi

also i think

66. thottaal poo malarum - Brindavana Saranga

23. muthaithiru pathi - shanmugapriya
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Feb 12 20:40:33 EST 1998

Saketh:

Thanks. In
http://www.iti.gov.sg/staff/kanagasa/tfm/classical.html
thottaal poo malarum has been mentioned as
SudhdhadhanyAsi. Do you think that's wrong?
From: murali (@ pm1-dbq124.dubuque.net) on: Thu Feb 12 21:29:38 EST 1998

'Sirithal Siritheen aval oru rajakumari' is by TMS in one of the earlier movies by IR. Raga - ???

There is another song by TMS 'Chozhanin magale vaa sundara tamizhe vaa, Azhaiin madimethu vaa' in the same tune as 'Masila nilave un...'
From: murali (@ pm1-dbq124.dubuque.net) on: Thu Feb 12 21:53:15 EST 1998

'Aagaya pandalile ponnuunjal aaduthamma' from Ponnuunjal. There is another song from 'Ennai pol oruvan'(Sivaji) with PS. Does anybody know this song?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Feb 13 00:19:12 EST 1998

Murali:

I have mentioned chOzhanin magaLE vaa earlier;
see item 59.

The song from Ennai pol oruvan is vElaalE
vizhigaL.
From: RV (@ 1cust95.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Fri Feb 13 01:29:45 EST 1998

Sathiya Keerthi:

Thanks for the corrections and additions;

#52 is from Bhairavi.
From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Fri Feb 13 18:05:31 EST 1998

sathiya keerthi,

to me the song "thottaal poo malarum" looks very similar to "muthukkalo kangal" and the great classical "rangapura vihaaraa", both of which are based on Brindavava saranga
From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ ) on: Fri Jul 26 07:26:00 EDT 2002

Hi friends,
Most of the ragas discussed here are in my opinion wrong. Without knowing fully about ragas and film songs, pl. don't try to attempt anything.This is a TMS page and let us confine ourselves to good TMS classical tunes, not only his film songs but also his own composed devotional songs. Most of the devotional songs composed by him are immortal melodies. And anybody interested in the TMS songs of 1950s and early 60s can start a new page so that many of his mellifluous melodies belong to that period only. Pl. consider. Saravanan, can you please doit?

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