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Nayak-what a let down says Rediff

Topic started by Fliflo (@ tnt1-162-231.cac.psu.edu) on Thu Jul 12 08:28:16 EDT 2001.
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http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2001/jul/12nay.htm

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• From: bharath (@ ac8a677d.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 12 09:07:21 EDT 2001
  
  like rediff ever wrote anything good abt down south. They were poeple who said dilse and alaipayuthey was bad!
  
  
  in anycase if there is a -ve critisim for ARR. there r people who will hapily project it. but if its +ve they say they dont care abt northies opinion.
  
  and if IR is judged the same way! u'll say those people have no taste.
  
  i sick and tired of people being over anxious and over desparate to critisize ARR.
  
  inspite of all this he nayak will sell the most and now it wil be declared that all people who buy nayak dont know anything abt music and are total fools.
  
  IMHO mudhalvan was an average album with "shakalaka baby" and "azhagaana ratchasi" good songs. But a hindi person writing it as if every altrernate song they make is world class really sux.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Jul 12 10:08:32 EDT 2001
  
  the original mudhalvan also was not so hot - pretty mediocre music.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Jul 12 13:26:32 EDT 2001
  
  1.Kurukku siruththavale & its clone
  2.Azhagaana raatshashiye.
  3.Shakalaka baby.
  are real good numbers.
  Even the uppukaruvaadu song has a good beat.
  
  In hindi, the two new songs are really good. Listen to the hariharan number "Tu khatti lagthi hai" and write.
  Several film songs doesn't even go thru a full innings, but this mudhalvan songs are into its second innings and are doing good. What's more you want?
  
  
• From: S T S (@ c1319060-a.stcla1.sfba.home.com) on: Thu Jul 12 23:07:04 EDT 2001
  
  rediff is wrong
  Bharath is right.
  What is the point of argument?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 13 02:02:36 EDT 2001
  
  why to unnecessarily drag controversy amongst HCIRFs and HCARRFs here?
  
  i think you read between the line(s) Nayak-what a let down says Rediff, just because it was posted by a "supposed HCIRF". Correct me if i'm wrong.
  
  Had it been posted by a "supposed HCARRF" you would have taken it as an angry posting against the rediff and have expressed your sentiments correctly, aren't you?
  
  The sentence is the same. So, if you want to protest the way rediff potrayed ARR you could have done it without any problem. Do it so sir. Why unncessarily inviting trouble, for you and your alteregos.
  
  I think this is a perfect thread in which both
  HCIRFs and HCARRFs would have derived their share of pleasure equally. Ofcourse, at the sametime it is such a potential bomb that could explode vigourously too.
  
  aama naan ippo yenna solla varraen??
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 13 02:03:55 EDT 2001
  
  well the above posting of mine is supposed to be the one for the first posting of Bharath in this thread.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ acada20c.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Jul 13 09:15:33 EDT 2001
  
  //"IMHO mudhalvan was an average album with "shakalaka baby" and "azhagaana ratchasi" good songs. But a hindi person writing it as if every altrernate song they make is world class really sux."//
  
  ithai yaarum pakkamattanga kupps. they will say u r a ex-IR fan and u critisize IR and if I say mudhlavanm is an average album with honesty !kandukamattango!
  
  brand! kuthara ulagam ada ithu!
  
  CF,
  
  actually kurukku sevathavala was liked bymany people. somehow it didnt appeal to me the way azhagana ratchasi did. plus i listened to the songs first time when i watched the movie and so the imagination of azhagana ratch.. blew me away!
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 13 09:43:41 EDT 2001
  
  IMHO mudhalvan was an average album with "shakalaka baby" and "azhagaana ratchasi" good songs. But a hindi person writing it as if every altrernate song they make is world class really sux
  
  idha mattu yezhudhi irundha oru problem-mum illa Bharath...idhukku munnadi sila vargaL yezhudhi irundheenga illaya adha padichhuttu thaan naan andha maadhiri posting pottaen. NiRkka, naan ungaLudaya mudhalvan pattiriya line-nayum padichhuttu thaan neenga rediff maela kobhama posting podureengannum therinjukkittaen.
  
  indha oru kaaranaththukkaaga thaan ungaLidam rediff maela kobamaa irundhaa adha mattum yezhudhungannu sonnaen. illayina neenga yezhudhina 6 varigaLla 1 variya pala paer paakkaama ungaLoda sandakku varadhukku adhigamaana chance irukku..
  
  indha pala kaaranangaLinaal thaan naan yennudaya postinga post panninaen.
  
  thavarunna mannichchudunga..
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Fri Jul 13 10:46:12 EDT 2001
  
  " aravandavanukku irundathellam pai" mathiri enakku intha forum'la pakkaravengellarum ANti-ARR theriyaraanga.
  
  to be honset. I dont mind anyone or me being HCFIR(ARR) but what I simply dont understand is some people dont even listen to ARR and critisize him They just simply dismiss him from presence predetermindedly saying he is junk.
  
  whereas I specifically ask people what IR song they r commenting abt I go and listen to it and then talk abt it. ( i recently requetsed someone abt kathaal saadhi and then went and listened to it).
  
  I know u cannot compare 2 good songs. but in general commenting b4 actual experiencing it based on popular bias is what disturbs me!
  
  sorry for the digression ..there has to be some place where I cud talk abt the big picture issues of this tfm forum and so here it told it
  
  kupps ! neenga sonnathu sarithan!
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.254) on: Fri Jul 13 10:53:50 EDT 2001
  
  Nayak is one of Rahman's most inferior scores
  Says Indya.com
  http://music.indya.com/reviews/film/nayak.html
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat Jul 14 01:44:08 EDT 2001
  
  What Subhash Jha doesn't understand is that he lives in the illusion of modernity whereas he has only espewed his ignorance in the above article. He is going to become a laughing stock when "Nayak" becomes a hit..of course he will cover it up by saying that the public taste has gone down.
  
  The truth is Shankar's song sequences demand that the lyrics go along with it...that's why the attempt at word-for-word translation/adaptation. It is a very sad state of affairs that the Internet has thrown open the door to unbalanced. biased and opined journalistic reviews.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat Jul 14 01:55:52 EDT 2001
  
  It is very evident that not much time was spent time writing the article. I don't want this Jha character to shower praise on ARR etc...all I want is a fair review with good insights and this article fails miserably. One thing is for sure...Jha is 50+...he utterly hates the use of english words and stuff like that which we accept as normal in TFM.
  
  
• From: raja fan (@ pppa35-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net) on: Sat Jul 14 02:42:45 EDT 2001
  
  honestly, i feel ARR is a random genius who struck it rich with a few nursery rhymes type songs slowed to the extent that today' muddlepated generation of sexed up generation can grasp the little nuances built with a lot of ingenuity and time but without any discipline and originality.
  
  no no sir, i am not jealous of ARR's success, it is only that i do not like today's audience that cannot appreciate intelligent music especially when such music came from Ilayaraaaja.
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbc9976.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 14 06:10:50 EDT 2001
  
  few nursery rhymes type songs slowed to the extent that today' muddlepated generation of sexed up generation can grasp the little nuances built with a lot of ingenuity and time but without any discipline and originality.
  
  raja fan, what in the world does all this mean?muddlepated -i have never heard ths word before-does it mean confused?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ acbc9976.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 14 06:12:21 EDT 2001
  
  i have been thoroughly muddlepated with your posting-there!I have done it.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Sat Jul 14 13:21:55 EDT 2001
  
  Cosmisian:
  When I was browsing thru indiya.com for nayak's review, I came accross 1947-Earth's review by the same man.
  
  Have a look at it.
  The link is here http://music.indya.com/reviews/film/1947_earth.html
  The contents are pasted below.
  Earth–shattering
  
  Is this album for real? Or it is it ethereal? No matter how we look at it, this is the best work Rahman has done in Hindi cinema.
  
  The compositions in this album sound wrong, to begin with. No no, don't get me wrong. It isn't the music that's to blame. It's the company that the music keeps. Modern gems of film music like Dheemi dheemi and Yeh jo zindagi hai packaged on the T series label is like bottling Sicillian wine in plastic bags. Not done, Deepa Mehta, not done.
  
  I know for a fact that this enterprising Toronto-based director worked day and night to get the right sound out of Rahman. The composer whose music is habitually distinguished and therefore easily distinguishable, went beyond expectations this time. He floods the grooves with gentle melodies that take us back to the purest form of film music.
  
  Just listen to Rahman's Ishwar Allah. What tranquillity and what harmony! This isn't just an ordinary torpid bhajan. Its rising and falling cadences match the beating of our hearts as Javed Akhtar's poetry floods the tune with words about brotherhood of man during troubled times.
  
  The despair and anguish of persecuted and violence-ridden humanity is graphically portrayed through Rahman's close associate Sukhwindara's voice in Raat ki daldal hai gaadi re. Here, we can almost see hordes of riot victims leaving the city as the orange flames hatred leap into the sky.
  
  The songs have a rare visual quality. Even if we haven't seen Aamir Khan and Rahul Khanna romancing Nandita Das with Rut aa gayee re and Dheemi dheemi, we can sense the longing and the craving of bridled passion leaping out at us from the balanced and sharp sounds of Rahman's creations.
  
  Alka Yagnik's Banno rani is the best wedding song we've heard in a Hindi film of the 1990s. What strikes you immediately and permanently is the long legged leaps achieved by Javed's poetry. There are no extraneous words, no puerile poetry anywhere in the tracks.
  
  Rahman fits into the grooves, making all the right moves, creating a perfect harmony for every line of lyric that goes into this masterly mix of melody and rhythms. Whether it's Sukhwindara in the rhythmic Rut aa gayee re and the dirgeful Raat ki daldal, Sadhana Sargam in the wedding song Banno rani or Hariharan in the gentle Dheemi dheemi, every singer sounds better than ever.
  
  And what can we say about Rahman's Theme Music? Except that other composers in India have a long way to go.
  
  Subhash K Jha
  
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Sat Jul 14 16:43:38 EDT 2001
  
  >>>What strikes you immediately and permanently is the long legged leaps achieved by Javed's poetry. There are no extraneous words, no puerile poetry anywhere in the tracks.<<<
  
  These are Jha's words from his review of Earth. No wonder he is upset with Nayak. But he should undestand Nayak is no Earth.
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Sat Jul 14 16:51:42 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks for the link Common Friend ! Teaches me that there is always a third side to any story :)
  
  
• From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sat Jul 14 19:46:01 EDT 2001
  
  Well, Nayak is no news since the songs are a remake of Mudhalvan with minor corrections but the song I liked the best was Tu ache lagta hai and in Rediff.com, it was stated lower in quality compared to Shakala Baby. Maybe its everyone's individuality that comes thru here. I personally perfer Tu ache lagta hai.
  
  
• From: kk (@ acac4f04.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 14 23:26:38 EDT 2001
  
  Guys,
  subhash k jha, usualy gives great reviews for Rahman, just go and see his past reviews
  for zubeida etc.
  
  Just think again, are mudalvan songs so great?
  in fact in this same forum mudalvan songs were criticised so bad, till the movie became a hit.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jul 15 03:48:07 EDT 2001
  
  "Just think again, are mudalvan songs so great? "
  
  I personally thought that in TFM after a long time there was a really refreshing to hear folkish fusion in "Azhagana Raakshashiye" ...and a real trendy and modern "Shakalaka Baby"...the beat - maybe the style is called "Acid" or "House" (could someone clarify?) was really cool and well used in TFM
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179) on: Mon Jul 16 07:25:57 EDT 2001
  
  >>>Guys,
  subhash k jha, usualy gives great reviews for Rahman, just go and see his past reviews
  for zubeida etc.
  
  Exactly. His review of Dil se and even 12ka4 are great. He seems to be upset with that Love U hamesha and now with nayak he seems to be really upset, because Lagaan has created a bench mark for rehman and people expect all subsequent movies of rehman to be of that quality. If you ask me, I would say that thedemand is legitimate. One cannot get down in quality. But, the fact is nayak (mudalvan) came a little less that 2 years before Lagaan. Also, Nayak's director is the one who should have insisted upon the old tunes itself. Shankar is not pravin kanth. So, ARR would have definitely done the job of creating new tunes for the film if asked for by Shankar.
  Again, but for the lyrics I feel that its a pretty good job, considering the quality of HFM songs that is existing now.
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ mc29-166.dialin.k-state.net) on: Thu Jul 19 19:23:53 EDT 2001
  
  Nayak's music is pretty good. Especially Hariharan's song is very good-very unusual tune. Though the Hindi version of Azhagana Ratchasiye isn't bad but I felt SPB did a great job in the Tamil version.
  IMO rediff's reviews suck big time. Sometime back they had compiled the best (Hindi) movies compiled by a columnist. In that Beta (starring Anilkapoor and madhuri) was also included. The columinst went on and on about the story/songs/powerful performances without even mentioning that it was a remake of a Tamil film, not even mentioning Baghyaraj.
  Generally I really don't care about their reviews.
  
  
  

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