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Vani Jayaram singing for Ilayaraja

Topic started by vanir (@ 207.253.206.50) on Fri Feb 14 20:08:20 EST 2003.
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Eventhough Ilayaraja did not utilise Vani's talent fully all the songs they made together were hits. Lets analyse all song. Anyone have any idea which song was the 1st with both of them together?? I think it is Manjal Arakumbothu movie alukoru Asai

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• From: vanir (@ 207.253.206.50) on: Fri Feb 14 20:13:13 EST 2003
  
  solos:
  Thankoru sorgathai - Vazha Ninaithal Vazhalam
  Ketal Ketha Varam - Dhurga Devi
  Thali Ondu Thevai Yenna - Thirukalyanam
  Manjal Araikumbhotu - Alukoru asai
  Kanan Arughe Padhavendum - ???
  Nee Kethal Naan mathen - Ilamai Oojal Adhugindrathu
  Nane Nana - AUA
  Yen Kalyana Vaibogam - AUA
  Thanimayil Yar Ival - AUA
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Fri Feb 14 20:37:19 EST 2003
  
  Katrinile Varum Geetham - KVG.
  Ennulil Engo - Rosappoo Ravikkaikari
  Kavidhai Kelungal - Punnagai Mannan
  Manmadha Ragangale - Balanagamma
  Sangeetham En Degamandro - Balanagamma
  Chellak Kuzhandhaigale - My Dear Kuttichchaaththaan
  Ilanguyile - Anbulla Rajnikanth
  Idhu Rosappoovu - Oru Kaidhiyin Diary
  (All the songs in Telegu film Seethakokachilaka)
  Azhagiya Kalai Nilave - Rajarishi
  Urugudhey Idhayame - Nooravadhu Naal
  
  This is just a random, off-the-cuff list. I must disagree with the first line in the intro to this thread. IR and VJ gave these songs their best. And VJs singing talent in is evident in all her IR songs (and other MDs songs too.)
  
  There may be any number of reasons why they did not collaborate extensively, but even IR cannot deny that almost every song (in the solos category) he offered VJ was realised to its best form. And this includes even a rather noisy number like Kuththum Oosi from Kazhugu.
  
  So VJs talent was "utilised" fully. Just not as often as one would have liked. The loss is not theirs, but ours.
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Fri Feb 14 20:37:28 EST 2003
  
  Katrinile Varum Geetham - KVG.
  Ennulil Engo - Rosappoo Ravikkaikari
  Kavidhai Kelungal - Punnagai Mannan
  Manmadha Ragangale - Balanagamma
  Sangeetham En Degamandro - Balanagamma
  Chellak Kuzhandhaigale - My Dear Kuttichchaaththaan
  Ilanguyile - Anbulla Rajnikanth
  Idhu Rosappoovu - Oru Kaidhiyin Diary
  (All the songs in Telegu film Seethakokachilaka)
  Azhagiya Kalai Nilave - Rajarishi
  Urugudhey Idhayame - Nooravadhu Naal
  
  This is just a random, off-the-cuff list. I must disagree with the first line in the intro to this thread. IR and VJ gave these songs their best. And VJs singing talent in is evident in all her IR songs (and other MDs songs too.)
  
  There may be any number of reasons why they did not collaborate extensively, but even IR cannot deny that almost every song (in the solos category) he offered VJ was realised to its best form. And this includes even a rather noisy number like Kuththum Oosi from Kazhugu.
  
  So VJs talent was "utilised" fully. Just not as often as one would have liked. The loss is not theirs, but ours.
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Fri Feb 14 20:39:10 EST 2003
  
  The double posting was the work of the poltergiest that seems to haunt these pages now and again. :-)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Sat Feb 15 11:07:05 EST 2003
  
  naaz,
  parava illa vidunga..neenga unga VJ'kaga konjam 'azhuthi' post panniteenga..:-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Sat Feb 15 11:14:56 EST 2003
  
  Tamizh Azuththam,Thiruththam Therindha Padagi Endru Poltergeistukkum Therium Pola! :-)
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 207.253.110.58) on: Sun Feb 16 16:43:26 EST 2003
  
  Vani & JC
  Poon thendrale Nalla Neram Kalam - BO?
  Indraiku Yen Intha Ananthame - Vaithehi Kathirunthal
  Kavithai Kelungal - Punagai Manan
  Adha Yethetho Sonnanga - Sanghanatham (with KJJ & JC)
  
  Vani & KJJ
  Poomelai Visum Pongkatre - Echil Iravugal
  Hei I love you - Unnai Naan Santhithen
  Unnai Kanum Neeram - UNS
  Venil Odhuthu - Nali Unathu Naal
  ABC Nee Vasi - OKD
  Rama Nama oru Vethame - Sri Ragha
  Disco King - ???
  
  Vani & Ramesh
  Kanni Thene Ival manne - Ambigai Neril Vanthal
  Velli Nila Pathumai - Amutha Ghanam
  
  Vani & Mano
  Poovanan Yehta THothu - ???
  
  Vani & Gangai Amaran
  Vizhiye Nalama - Akarai PachaiIthu
  Ithu Rosa Poovu - OKD
  Ratiri Pathu Vara Pakathila Va - Iravu Pookal
  
  Vani & SJ
  Machane Paradi - Thangamaghan
  China Poonu China Poonu - Aruvadai Naal with MSV
  
  Vani & Sashireka
  Jeipen Jeipen Sabahtam sabahtam - Ayiram Vasal IThayam
  
  Vani & Manorama & Vasantha
  Sonale theriyathu nokhu adiye sarasu - Sri Ragh.
  
  Vani & Jenci & JC
  Eh Masthana - A U A
  
  Vani & MS Vasu
  Sugham sughame - Naan Potha saval
  Manmathan Than vitha ambu - Thalayanai Manthiram
  Thotharavu Seyathe Podhi - TM
  Katre Sellu Oru Khatal Thoothu - ???
  Atti Vetcha Adhavendum Natha - Nalla Thambi
  Allane All Ilayo Alaghana Mugham ilayo - Muthal Iravu
  Kalyana Melamadi melamadi - Ilayarajavin rasigai
  Yenge Naan Kandhen - Sathanai
  
  Another solo - Yenghum Theivam Inge - Sonathu neethana
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: susi (@ 207.253.204.63) on: Sun Feb 16 18:39:15 EST 2003
  
  Nitham Nitham Nellu Choru - mullum Malarum
  
  
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.32) on: Sun Feb 16 21:17:55 EST 2003
  
  A bunch of sings in Azhaghae Unnai Arathikkiraen..
  
  Nanae Nanaa...
  Kurinchi Malaril..
  Thanimayil Yaae Ivazhl..
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Mon Feb 17 08:34:23 EST 2003
  
  Solli Tharan nee seyriya Samayal Sollithatran Nee Seiriya - ??
  
  Naan Oru Kanni Ponnu - ??
  
  
• From: vardhini (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Mon Feb 17 13:34:27 EST 2003
  
  Ulagam muzhudum pazhaiya rathiri
  Unnakum enakuum pudiya raathiri
  film - Nooravathu naal has this lovely melody sung by KJY and VJ
  
  
• From: vardhini (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Mon Feb 17 13:35:41 EST 2003
  
  Another lovely song based on Manirangu raaga from file KannirRaasi :' Esai raajane
  sung by VJ and MV
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Mon Feb 17 14:17:34 EST 2003
  
  100 naal also have another song Ithayama Uruguthe Arugile Va
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Mon Feb 17 14:30:32 EST 2003
  
  SPB & Vani
  Ore Naal - Ilamai Oonjal Adhugirathu
  Kurunji Malaril - AUA
  Pollathe Asai Vanthu - Kuva2 Vathugal
  Kalam maralam - Vazhkai
  Alai mithu Thasumaruthe siru odam - ??
  Naan than sooran - OK Diary
  
  With MSV
  Vethcalam Nethi pothu
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Mon Feb 17 16:00:02 EST 2003
  
  Most of the songs listed above are available at:
  
  www.vanijayaram.com
  
  
  
• From: vardhini (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Tue Feb 18 12:01:54 EST 2003
  
  There is one more VJ song , a nice folk song from film Kungumachimizh with IR.
  Vachanam nethi pottu
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 207.253.209.12) on: Tue Feb 18 20:51:48 EST 2003
  
  Marutha Manjal Kizhangu - Nenjil adum poo ondru with SPB
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Tue Feb 18 21:08:47 EST 2003
  
  Vardhini and Vanir,
  
  You've been listing some memorable songs by VJ both in this thread and the Vani Jayaram's songs thread. Please also share your thoughts on these songs: what you think of VJs solos/duets, what impresses you about her singing, which songs stay with you and for what reasons, etc.
  As you are newcomers to these forums, it would be great to hear and learn from your point of view.
  I look forward to your participation in both threads, and hope you will also join the discussions. Welcome!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Tue Feb 18 21:17:43 EST 2003
  
  Two fun, fast and breezy duets VJ/SPB duets:
  
  Aala Asaththum Malliye Malliye - Kanni Rasi
  Vaa Vaa Pakkam Vaa - Thangamagan
  
  
  
• From: vanir (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Wed Feb 19 08:18:00 EST 2003
  
  Annaiyin Asaigal ondrala rendala ayiram ulathaiya
  movie??
  
  
• From: Vanir (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Wed Feb 19 08:21:18 EST 2003
  
  Naaz,
  Vani is the greates singer in tfm. Her ganir, panbu and alutham in her voice can't be compared. Although me era was the late 80's, I listened to most of her songs and I fell in love with her voice. She is the greatest.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Wed Feb 19 10:21:14 EST 2003
  
  Vanir -
  Thanks for sharing your views. Please do so at every opportunity. While VJs film songs are good examples of her artistry, I think her tamizh devotionals (recent albums) are something to cherish. The songs from Krishna Gaanam (available at www.vanijayaram.com under the "Bhakti" section) are pure in every sense.
  Please isten to these songs (and others) when you can, and share your comments with us.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.13.20) on: Thu Feb 20 17:25:59 EST 2003
  
  This question has been nagging me in the past. Why were there not many songs in this VJ-IR combo although they have produced some wonderful songs?
  This is my observation. Vani's voice suits that of a mature, sensible, head strong woman and we rarely come across such female characters in our TF.
  IR has mostly used Vani for such characters IMO , inspired by MSV who also used VJ extensively for strong female character portrayals like AboorvaRaagangal, SilaNerangalilSilamanidhargal, Sirai , females in KB movies .
  SJ's voice suits a nubile, innocent ,adolescent girl, a vulnerable , fragile beauty kind.
  1. In azhageunnai.. film, the heroine Latha is a shown as a not so young , modern, career woman who has a decent job and probably that is why IR used VJ
  2. Similar logic applies in Mullummalarum also, where Fatafat is shown as a wise, streetsmart , pragmatic wife of Rajini wallowing in ego borne out of complex. Here again, IR has used VJ for 'nitham nitham nellu soru'
  IlamaiUnjalaadugiradu has Sripriya in the role of a modern, progressive woman who disapproves the hero's infidelity and hence the choice was VJ.
  In Nooravathu naal , IR uses VJ for the song 'Ulagam muzhudum pazhaiya rathiri' and 'Uruguthe idayame' songs for the 2 daring, probing female characters(Nalini and her sister)
  In OruKaidiy..'ABC neevasi'is sung for Radha who is better educated than Kamal and plays the role of a mentor.
  Enulle engo from RosappuRavikkaikari is also sung for Deepa who is shown as a woman ,ahead of her times and willing to experiment newer pastures in life .
  This trend might have continued till mid 80's after which he opted for a new singer Chitra to fill VJ's place . He used Chitra for SinduBhairavi, ManadilUrudiVendum(strong female characters by Suhasini),
  PaaduNillave (for Nadiya who competes with Mohan in singing).
  Most of the females portrayed in TF are demure, teenaged, starry eyed ,coy beauties and no wonder VJ doesn't find her place to a great extent. I my be wrong in my observation.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Thu Feb 20 20:52:01 EST 2003
  
  Mythila,
  I think the operative word in our analysis is "character." As things have moved so quickly to an out-and-out commercial realm, as everything seems to be judged on the basis of temporality (as opposed to longevity) - a quick hit, a quick buck and on to the next - it is not just film plots and roles for actors which have become "character" less. This slide down the slippery slope of crass denominators is also felt in the lyrics, the screenplay, the cliched love-story churnings, and an obvious disregard for anything native or authentic.
  You are right in saying that VJ and PS during their heydays in TFM/TelFM sang for author-backed heroines. But, the truth in that generalisation can only be stretched so far. Other MDs (besides IR) have used VJs voice for actors like Viji, Jayashree, Sulakshana, Urvasi, Seetha, Revathi, - just to name a few, with no particular emphasis.
  Yes, the names you mention are definitely "women" compared to the "girls" I have named, but that merely points to the fallacy that VJs voice was only suited for "strong" and not the "flighty".
  
  If you enumerate the solos compositions by IR which went VJs way, you will notice that most of them are challenging in conception and demand a singer who has the ability to scale dizzying heights without faltering in rendition - Enulil Engo, Kavidhai Kelungal, Azhagiya Kalai Nilave, Sangeetham En Degamandro, Kaatrinile Varum Geetham, En Kalyana Vaibogam, Thanimaiyil Yaar Ival, Naane Naana, Ilanguiyle....
  
  So, I would contend that character or no character (in role terms) - IR knew a VJ calibre composition when he dreamt one (in the late 70-early 80.)
  Interestingly enough, IRs choice of scale seems to have also undergone a shift since the advent of Chitra ( which is similar to the songs SJ sang for him.) and now Sadhana and Shreya.
  
  The move - as I see it (or should that be hear it?) is from "authority" of voice to "anonymity" of voice. No special signature is evident in current songs or current singing. It is what one might term "factory" music. So, "character" may or may not be out, but you can't deny that the "keyboard" is definitely in. Hence, in my theory, the ethos of breathless "electronic" voices which rules the day (and only the day, mind you - not the month, year or decade :-))
  
  

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