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Is Karthik raja going stale already?

Topic started by Rajaram on Tue May 13 04:56:32 EDT 1997.
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• From: Ex-karthik-raja-fan on: Tue May 13 05:58:44 EDT 1997
  
  Yes.. definitely.
  
  
• From: Ravi on: Tue May 13 06:11:08 EDT 1997
  
  Were Ullaasam songs so bad?
  
  
• From: Rajaram (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Wed May 14 21:35:41 EDT 1997
  
  Ravi,
  It's not that they are bad. There is nothing new. We are
  not expecting such songs from someone in Ilayaraja
  family. (karthik raja is supposed to be notable in this
  family, isn't it?) He needs to come out of the mould of
  "indhirane muzhu chandirane", "en raasi" kind of songs.
  He seems to follow it in every other movie. "nathiyoram
  veesum thendral"(Alexander) was a welcome change, but
  the rest in this movie were sort-of trash. I think most will
  agree with me if I say there was a significant drop in
  his standrards in this movie. Another saddening feature
  he is going "Rahmanish" (as Ramki pointed out)....
  Listen to "Konjum manjal pookal"(ullaasam). It looked like
  enacting "telephone manippol"..
  
  -R
  p.s.: you can listen to "konjum manjal pookal" now on TFM
  page.
  
  
• From: Ravi. (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Thu May 15 05:54:03 EDT 1997
  
  I agree with your last comment. After hearing konjum majal pookkaL I was humming telephone mani. :).
  
  
• From: Satish Subramanian (@ cs-line10.cs.umn.edu) on: Mon May 19 07:42:39 EDT 1997
  
  Karthik Raja is not going stale! That is too strong a statement. He is trying new things, but the songs do not seem impressive (esp. Ullasam). He can do better than just appear confused in his songs.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Mon May 19 20:46:11 EDT 1997
  
  Trying new things? Going Rahmanish maybe one.. :-)
  Getting many actors to sing a song, maybe one more..!
  
  Surely we don't expect such things from someone
  considered good in Ilayaraja family.
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Tue May 27 11:29:16 EDT 1997
  
  The songs in Manickam were excellent and they did not have Ilayaraaja's or Rehman's influence. And in Ullasam, the song "Yaaro Yaar Yaaro" was simply superb and a class. I think Karthik Raaja is trying to get the full attention of the public by composing music that is like Rehman as it is the trend now. There is no doubt that he will give excellent tunes like his father in future.
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252) on: Tue Jun 17 21:09:13 EDT 1997
  
  Right Now the trend in the Tamil film music
  is very voltatile. Even Rahman is not composing
  his songs in the same style as accused of him.
  Look at the differences between Iruvar
  , Minsara kanavu and Indian. They are very
  different from each other. So are Karthik's
  albums. Konjum Manjal Pookal sounds like
  Telephone Mani because of the choice of the
  singers and not because of the tune. Did anybody notice the musical interlude in the
  song. It is so pretty. I am certainly against
  the opinion Karthik is going stale. Remember
  he is in the most difficult position in the industry
  being Illayaraja's son. Every song of his is going
  to be compared against his father's skills.
  Hopefully this burden will not be detrimental
  for him.
  
  
• From: Nithin Sreedevan (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Tue Jul 8 22:01:32 EDT 1997
  
  I have heard Karthik Raja's songs. I am proud to say that he has his own style and is certainly working hard to earn his name worthy of the Raaja himself.
  
  Karthik has realized that today's music is more rhythm oriented and so is bringing out remarkable beats. He seems to emphasise that today's audience has less time for, and less of appreciative nature (musical sophistication) for the complex and ethereal mix of instrumental interludes that once was the forte of his great father and even MSV. You will realise this point I am trying to make by the interlude compositions of A R Rahman which simply cannot make it to the level of his beats or foottapping tunes.
  
  I mean we, the older generation of listeners liked pure melody and great interludes because we were not into rhythms meant for dancing and therefore were more musically sophisticated.
  
  I am sure you all agree with my viewpoint. My sincere wishes for Karthik Raja because I know he is making great efforts to deserve his father's blessings.
  
  Nithin Sreedevan
  
  
• From: Anand Nandkumar (@ slip166-72-228-213.pa.us.ibm.net) on: Tue Aug 19 17:41:34 EDT 1997
  
  Its just not film songs that count. Did anybody see Ullasm? The re-recording was brilliant.In my opinion the true class of a musician comes out only in the re-recording of a movie.Have you heard "Thendral vandhu thoongum" from avatharam? I beleive that the music was done by Karthik Raja.How is that for some talent ?
  
  
• From: Srikanth Srinivasan (@ 131.247.11.34) on: Tue Aug 26 13:40:37 EDT 1997
  
  The songs in Ullasam were good.Especially 'Cholaray' which had some spanish music in its interlude. Besides the music of 'Thendral Vandhu' in Avataaram and 'Pandiyanin Raajiyathil' in Pandiyan were composed by him. I guess as more of his films release we''l get to see more stuff,may be not as good as his Father but certainly something original and melodious.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 11:19:32 EDT 1997
  
  hEy guys .. come on. thenRal vanthu is obviously IR's. KR is nowhere near that quality now. Hopefuly he will reach that level soon.
  
  
• From: Srkanth Srinivasan (@ zztop.eng.usf.edu) on: Tue Sep 9 18:32:53 EDT 1997
  
  correction. the interlude music and the bgm for the song were composed by karthik raaja. he said this himself in an interview in SUN TV. He is supposedly have happened to be inspired by the music of flowing water and that is why the song has a hush-sound thruout and prominent electonic bass. both avataaram and pandiyan carried Ilaiyaraaja's name but there are quite a few movies like 'Amaidhee Padai' (which has IR's name ) but a popular bgm in it was composed by karthik raaja
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 131.247.115.38) on: Wed Sep 10 17:05:32 EDT 1997
  
  let me add quickly that although these songs with some contribution from KR are very good, i feel he still has along way to go if he has to reach IRs level and standard.
  
  
• From: Nagarajan (@ ants.lucent.com) on: Fri Sep 26 13:42:06 EDT 1997
  
  Karthik Raja is young and I don't know his level of knowledge in carnatic ragas. Tunes are more important than interludes or re-recording. That's why MSV was so popular. Ilayaraja is a genius. He has unbelievable talent and knowledge in music. Karthik doesn't have to be a genius but should definitely have adequate knowledge in classical music like his father. I think that's what he has to improve. My openion may be wrong but if he is good at classical music, he should have no problem is producing various tunes. In ullasam and his other movies, music was excellent but songs were not upto the mark. I would expect Karthik to compare his songs with Ilayaraja's 'Nizhalgal' and 'Ninaivellam Nithya' and so on (It's so sad that even Ilayaraja is not creating those kind of tunes these days). Then he will know where he has to improve.
  
  Karthik has a long way to go. He certainly has talent. But he has to work with good directors like Balachandar, mahendran and Sridhar who have good music taste. They know how to get the best out of him.
  
  
  
  
• From: AthiNarayanan (@ ram.com) on: Tue Nov 4 10:40:14 EST 1997
  
  Karthik Raja has made his debut in Hindi movies with Grahaan a Jackie Shroff production.It has been given a good rating.I think Guy has some stuff and cannot be written off easily.I also guess the downslide of ARR has already begun.He's composing for Kadhala Kadhala ,a Kamal Prabhu Deva starrer.
  
  
• From: NS (@ van-as-03b10.direct.ca) on: Fri Dec 12 00:25:23 EST 1997
  
  Grahaan songs are indeed great! I thought that Ullasam songs were pretty good, too. If Ullasam songs had a Rahman touch, then Grahan has a lot of IR influence. Looking back at his previous(few) compositions, it seems like he is definitely trying to find something new, or at least a bit different. Quite promising, to say the least. I'm sure he will make an impact on TFM soon.
  
  
• From: sathya (@ client-151-200-126-19.bellatlantic.net) on: Thu Jan 1 00:53:34 EST 1998
  
  KarthikRaja has been in the field for about 2 years. I feel we have to wait for some more time to decide the quantum of his talents. His minus point is that he is the son of Ilayaraja. We can never expect the quality of Raja from Karthik. He should be viewed as an independent entity.
  
  As far as Manickam is concerned, he scored very good songs. Particularly "sundarane" and "thoodh sel oru poonguyile". Unfortunately both songs were cut from the film during editing. Background music was very good. But definitely he is not at his best after Manickam except some selected songs from few films.
  
  Also Tamil Music is at its worst today producing hardly 10 to 15 hit songs an year. Only after this turbulance ends, we can predict any music director's quality. Today's music heavily relies on Advertisement, Banner(Producer), Money spent over the song in the film, success of film. If a song can get 3 out of these 4 there is a big possiblity that the song may become hit. But today's statistics reveal that only 5 to 8 films cross 100 days and around 5 more films get the money back. Others fail. In the last decade even films became utter flop, good songs were recognised by people. e.g
  Nizhalgal
  Kaadal Ovium
  Ninaivellam Nithya
  Nadodi Thendral
  Pagalnilavu
  Michel madana Kamarajan
  Singaravelan
  sathya
  unnal mudium thambi
  etc......
  
  Bit today the chances for a song from failure film to become popular is least. Many a times they never reach people at all.
  
  So unless Karthik Raja gets Nobel producers or directors or actors, it is very difficult for him to prove himself.
  
  
  Sathya
  
  
  
• From: Rangaprabhu P (@ cbe_d17.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Jan 15 09:32:28 EST 1998
  
  Karthik Raja is improving. But it seems the Maestro himself is in his full form with fantastic & melodious compositions for KATHALUKKU MARIYADHAI.Karthik's music for Naam Iruvar Namakku Iruvar was released recently and it is passable.Everybody is eagerly awaiting his music for Kamal Hassan's new movie KADHALA KADHALA scheduled soon. Let us hope for the best from the Maestro's family.
  
  
• From: siv murugan (@ pm135-18.dialip.mich.net) on: Sat Feb 7 18:55:11 EST 1998
  
  i don't know, why everyone is calling songs with synthesizer beats as Rahmannish(it is called popular music not rahman music)? after listening to some rock albums, don't complain it sounds too guitarish!!!!!!! rahman was easily recognized bcoz of his quality recording and his much famed synthesizers... kathik being from the new breed of composers may use similar beats, this doesn't mean the song is a remake. the dilama why karthik couldn't stand out it is difficult for anyone to break grounds that are already broken. some people disdain some songs, by grouping it under song for the masses; when a composer creates music, his aim should be to reach as many people possible. don't forget economics; there is something called profit too... in the film or music industry. given time to mature, karthik will become better; don't forget he is still young. one other reminder if one doesnot have real knowledge, he is history after two hits. look at western popular music histroy.... so it does prove karthik has some real knowledge.
  i liked his new album nam iruvar namaku iruver
  
  
• From: siv murugan (@ pm135-18.dialip.mich.net) on: Sat Feb 7 18:55:33 EST 1998
  
  i don't know, why everyone is calling songs with synthesizer beats as Rahmannish(it is called popular music not rahman music)? after listening to some rock albums, don't complain it sounds too guitarish!!!!!!! rahman was easily recognized bcoz of his quality recording and his much famed synthesizers... kathik being from the new breed of composers may use similar beats, this doesn't mean the song is a remake. the dilama why karthik couldn't stand out it is difficult for anyone to break grounds that are already broken. some people disdain some songs, by grouping it under song for the masses; when a composer creates music, his aim should be to reach as many people possible. don't forget economics; there is something called profit too... in the film or music industry. given time to mature, karthik will become better; don't forget he is still young. one other reminder if one doesnot have real knowledge, he is history after two hits. look at western popular music histroy.... so it does prove karthik has some real knowledge.
  i liked his new album nam iruvar namaku iruver
  
  
• From: Musical (@ palo10.pacific.net.sg) on: Fri Mar 20 04:11:15 EST 1998
  
  I really enjoyed all the songs from the movie 'Ullasam'. It was simply marvellous. I am greatly astonished that Mr Karthik raja is not following his father's style. I feel happy for him. They are really a family full musical talents.
  
  
• From: sugu (@ 161.139.188.23) on: Tue Apr 14 20:00:48 EDT 1998
  
  All songs from film kadhala kadhala is very nice.Keep it up.
  
  
• From: sharon anne (@ klg-56-67.tm.net.my) on: Tue Apr 21 13:21:42 EDT 1998
  
  karthik raaja cannot be compared to ar rehman as
  rehman has raced miles ahead.karthik raaja is just another newcomer.
  
  
• From: jayaraj (@ otis.otis.com) on: Wed Apr 22 02:06:36 EDT 1998
  
  His new songs in Kadhala Kadhaka is a piece of
  garbage, not even one song is nice.
  
  
• From: STANLEY XAVIER (@ klg-59-25.tm.net.my) on: Wed Apr 22 07:29:00 EDT 1998
  
  KAARTHIK RAAJA HASN'T CREATED ANY MUSIC THAT WILL SOUND WAH-WAH.IN FACT HIS MUSIC IN KADHALA-KADHALA
  SUCKS.MAYBE IF A R REHMAN HAD COMPOSED THE MUSIC FOR KADHALA-KADHALA IT WOULD HAVE DONE SOME JUSTICE TO THE MOVIE.I AGREE WITH SHARON ANNE THAT AR REHMAN CANNOT BE COMPARED TO KAARTHIK RAAJA AS AR REHMAN IS HIS SENIOR AND HAS ESTABLISHED HIMSELF WITH GREAT SONGS FROM MOVIES LIKE INDIAN ,
  BOMBAY, KAADHALAN, RATCHAKAN,MINSARA KANAVU...
  TO NAME A FEW.
  
  
• From: SHIRLEY ANN XAVIER (@ klg-59-25.tm.net.my) on: Wed Apr 22 07:40:57 EDT 1998
  
  I DO AGREE WITH SHARON ANNE AND STANLEY XAVIER THAT AR REHMAN CANNOT BE COMPARED TO THE SMALL FRY
  KAARTHIK RAAJA!.COMPARING THEM IS JUST LIKE
  COMPARING KAMAL HASSAn(actor)TO ABBAS(KADAL DESAM
  FAME).YES, THE SONGS FROM THE MOVIE KADHALA-KADHALA SUCKS.IT'S A MUSIC THAT YOU DON'T
  WANNA HEAR AGAIN.
  
  
• From: Greg Sansone (@ ts23ip78.cadvision.com) on: Mon Aug 3 03:55:47 EDT 1998
  
  Shirley ann xavier! Your comment is very rude, and I guess that it best reflects your characteristics.
  
  

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