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Kaviyarasu Kannadasan Vs Kaviyarasu Vairamuthu

Topic started by mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com) on Fri Jan 16 22:33:09 EST 1998.
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• From: LP (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Tue Sep 3 12:35:48 EDT 2002
  
  Below is a wonderful song by Kavignar Kannadasan, with thamizh uyir ezhuthugaL order...
  
  Kavignar aLLa aLLa kuraiyaatha atchaya paathiram
  avar kavithaigaL theLLath thevittatha thEnamudham...
  
  Movie: Saraswathi Sabatham
  
  agara muthala ezhuthellaam ariyavaithaai devi
  aathi bagawan muthalendru unara vaithaai
  iyal isai naadaga theebam yEtri vaithaai
  yeeendravar nenjai inru kuLira Vaithai thaaye
  uyir mei ezhuthellaam theriyavaithaai
  oomayin vaai thiranthu pesavaithaai
  eNNum ezhuthendrum kaN thiranthaai
  yEtram tharum pulamai aatral thanthaai
  oli thanthu mozhi thanthu kural thanthaai
  Ongaara isai thanthu uyaravaithaai
  
  
• From: LP (@ 162.119.64.100) on: Tue Sep 3 12:41:00 EDT 2002
  
  In the previous song, I missed a line for the vowel 'i'...
  
  aiyam theLiya vaithu arivu thanthaai
  
  
• From: kannadasan dasan (@ ) on: Wed Oct 30 05:53:29 EST 2002
  
  kannadasan living in his tamil vm killing kandasan by raping tamil trough valgure words in cenima.
  
  
• From: kannadasan dasan (@ 210.186.172.69) on: Wed Oct 30 06:03:21 EST 2002
  
  VM IS A KAMASUTRA POET.HIPPOCRATE.KANNADASAN USED HIS POLITE WAY TO EXPRESS FEELINGS. VM IS A PORN WRITER SPOILLING THE GENERATION.
  
  KANNADASAN= MENMAKKAL MENMAKKAL
  VM= KM KM
  
  
• From: m sundarkumar (@ 61.1.215.201) on: Sun Nov 3 14:27:53 EST 2002
  
  kannadasan is the greatest. pl don't compare
  anybody with that genius.
  
  
• From: m sundarkumar (@ 61.1.215.201) on: Sun Nov 3 14:31:10 EST 2002
  
  athikkai kai kai! alangai vennilave!
  ithikkai kayathe! ennai pole pennallavo!
  - super lyrics by kannadasan.
  " song from bale pandia" - is there any
  poet to write like this?
  
  
• From: bp (@ ) on: Wed Nov 27 08:53:56 EST 2002
  
  but ppl VM has also written certain good songs atleast we can acknowledge them....
  1)kaathal rojave song from ROJA
  2)en mel vizhuntha mazhai thuliye from MAY MADHAM
  3)en kathale en kathale from DUET etc..
  
  these songs r really good....
  he is no better than kannadasan...but atleast these numbers r good...right?
  
  
• From: Hari Srikanth Narayanan (@ 165.254.60.49) on: Fri Nov 29 11:00:11 EST 2002
  
  I rate Vairamuthu somewhere in between Kannadasan and Vaali. He is more closer to Vaali than to Kannadasan.
  
  The only thing I take offense is that of his assuming the title of Kavi Perarasu, which seemingly puts him on top of Kavi Arasu Kannadasan.
  
  
• From: S.Chandrasekaran (@ ) on: Mon Jan 13 08:05:55 EST 2003
  
  Hi guys
  Pls compare Kannadasan with Vali, I can take it.
  But not with Vairamuthu. This is too much.
  Kannadasan's songs are immortal and streets ahead in quality when compared to guys like VM. Kannadasan occupies 1-10 positions when we list
  alltime greats, then come people like Vali, Marudakasi, Ka Mu Sherif, Panchu Arunachalam, Alangudi Somu, P.Kalyanasundaram etc. I might have
  left a few others, but i dont think VM will even fit into this elite company. Kannadasan is unique because he was able to write, not one or two songs, but 8 to 10 songs in a single film and all
  of them were poetic, not dialogues formed into a song like poets of present generation. These
  songs had lots of relevance to the film, which
  is totally missing nowadays.
  Imagine, Kannadasan was able to outshine a guy like Vali, who was very talented and has given innumerable hit songs particularly for MGR. That was really a healthy competition.
  Kannadasan is Kannadasan, the incomparable of them all. If VM can be called as Kaviperarasu,
  the Kannadasan should be the god of Tamil song
  lyrics.
  
  
• From: manthiravathy (@ 203.199.213.3) on: Sat Jan 18 01:33:28 EST 2003
  
  Regarding the titles:
  Thiruvalluvar got "Theyva pulavar"
  Kamban got "Kavi Chakravarthy"
  Bharathi got "Maha Kavi"
  Bharathidhasan got "Puratchi Kavi"
  Kannadhasan got "Kaviyarasu"
  When people wanted to praise VM they gave him the same title "Kaviyarasu". But people objected VM to have that. VM himself asked not to use that title. But his fans came up with "Kaviperarasu".People ask when he is not 'Kaviyarasu', how can he be 'Kaviperarasu'?. He may be the best when compared to the other poets this generation, but the title offered should be matching, meaningful and comparable to the titles of earlier poets. Isn't it? Meaningwise 'Kaviperarasu' and 'Kavi Chakravarthi' are the same. Can one compare VM with immortal 'Kamban'?
  VM's fans can't think another suitable title for him? If VM's fans are good in Tamil, they can give him another good title.
  
  
• From: dobri (@ 195.226.230.37) on: Sat Jan 18 13:11:19 EST 2003
  
  How about 'SuperKavi' or 'MegaKavi' ?
  
  
• From: Sreedhar (@ 24.30.132.23) on: Tue Jan 21 00:27:41 EST 2003
  
  We should just say "kavignar Vairamuthi" :-)
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 210.193.13.206) on: Tue Jan 21 01:36:19 EST 2003
  
  how bout "milleniathu(Millenium)Kavi Vairamuthu"
  
  
• From: Ethir Veera Singam (@ 203.117.33.23) on: Thu Jan 23 01:17:53 EST 2003
  
  Punnakku Vairamuthu
  
  
• From: Nandini (@ 130.102.71.37) on: Thu Jan 23 04:23:55 EST 2003
  
  Using vulgar languages to defame people,
  is not the right way to approach a discussion i think.
  i just like to present my view here.
  
  VM is better than KD in so many ways.
  KD and VM worked together only for 2 years.
  When VM came to TFM, his 'pon maalai pozhudhu' was the song in
  
  demand in All Radio music programs.
  KD must not died so early.
  he must have lived to fight with VM.
  had he done that everyone wud have accepted VM is better.
  
  choose any topic,
  VM had penned better lyrics in that topic than KD.
  
  high degree of poetry,
  deep level of philosophy,
  pure commercial thinking,
  ultimate simplicity,
  enjoyable folk,
  
  you cant say a place where KD had wrote better lyrics.
  
  ' otha thuliyila
  otha thuliyula
  oru latcham oru koadi
  usuru irukkudhu.
  athana thuliyayum
  adichu thorathitu
  otha thuli otha thuli
  karuvil valarudhu '
  
  in gemini,
  just explained the concept of competition in life,
  even before birth. it was that apt a message, it was that apt
  
  for that movie.
  
  ' aathigam paesum adiyaarkkellam
  sivamae anbaagum
  naathigam paesum nallavarukkoa
  anbae sivamaagum '
  
  the whole concept of a 3 hr movie in 2 lines.
  
  ' puratchigal edhum seyyaamal
  pennukku nanmai vilayaadhu
  kannagi silaidhaan ingundu
  seedhaikku kallaal silai edhu ? '
  
  you know where these lines were framed,
  in a so called junk song oorvasi oorvasi.
  
  ' en uyir poagum poanaalum
  thuyarillai pennae
  adharkkaagavaa paadinaen
  varum varungaalam un meedhu
  pazhipoadum pennae
  adharkkaagathaan vaadinaen '
  
  i know people who hate this song because it kindles all their
  burried feelings.
  
  ' thaayendra orudheivam
  veetoada irukku
  nee thanithaniyaa
  koavil kulam
  alaivadhuvum edhukku
  ammaavin paadhathil
  karpooram koluthu
  varum aanandha kanneeril
  abishegam nadathu '
  
  what vaali tried to say in a full length song
  is stuffed in to the tune in mere 3 lines.
  
  ' azhagu enbadhu aanpaalaa penpaalaa
  enbadhil enakku sandhegam theerndhadhu
  azhagu enbadhu nichayam penpaaladaa.
  
  kavidhai enbadhu mozhiyin vadivam
  enroru karuthum inru udaindhadhu
  kavidhai enbadhu kanni vadivamadaa '
  
  from shajahan, is the best song describing a girl.
  
  ' konjam iru nenju poru
  thaavani visirigal veesugiraen
  manmadha ambugal thaitha idangalil
  sandhanamaai enai poosugiraen '
  
  was a perfect example where he fits words so perfectly in to a
  
  complex tune.
  
  kannadasan wrote a handful of songs to music directors tunes.
  vairamuthu wrote a handful of songs that were tuned.
  
  ' sila aarugal meerudhadaa
  varalaarugal maarudhadaa
  pasiyaal pala ezhaigal saavadhu enbadhu
  dhesiyamaanadhadaa.
  ini thaen varum enbadhum paalvarum enbadhum
  joasiyamaanadhadaa,
  ada saataigalae ini theervugal enbadhu
  soosagamaanadhadaa '
  
  from 'manidhaa manidhaa' was an ultimate example of human
  
  outburst in the form of literature.
  
  ' idhayam thudippadhu nindraalum
  irandoar nimidam uyir irukkum
  anbae enai nee neenginaal
  oruganam en uyir thaangaadhu '
  
  from jeans is a perfect blend of romance and science like
  
  ' paruvangal sandhithaal
  piriondru undaagum
  dhuruvangal sandhithaal
  piriyaadhu ennaalum '
  
  from iruvar.
  
  how else could a girls feelings can be expressed like in
  
  snegidhanae.
  
  just learn how many divorced couples have cried listening to
  
  'anbe sugamaa' from paarthaalae paravasam.
  
  ' undhan kaattil sugamaa
  en otrai thaliyanai sugamaa'
  
  and
  
  ' veliyae azhthaal vetkam endru
  vilakkai anaithu azudhaen'
  
  cant come from an ordinary pen.
  
  i'll stop here.
  
  kannadasan has write equal number of 'kattipidaas' and
  
  'jumbalakkaas'
  
  kannadasan has written more double meaning songs even when they are not necessary.
  
  kannadasan is still appreciated for onething.
  making his idea's simple.
  expressing in simple meaning directly.
  
  but even today one of the proliferated group of lyric writers can write lines like kannadasan even better at times.
  
  the only thing was kannadasan never faced a good competition.
  all he had in front was Mr.Vaalee.
  
  I wont blame kannadasan for being so.
  its time.
  most of the time he was not in his senses.
  he never preached anything bad but
  researchers have shown how many of the poets started consuming alcohol just to imitate kannadasan.
  
  kamalhaasan once said in a stage,
  ' i was lucky enough to have sivaji
  to accept me as a good actor
  but vairamuthu is unlucky,
  kannadasan died early. '
  
  kamal sometimes speaks sensibly.
  this was one such a speech.
  
  Shivaji in a singapore stage said VM has excelled KD,
  which created so many controversies.
  
  that led to VM announce that he deticates his 'kaviyarasu' title, which was confered to him by the same organization that confered the title to kannadasan, to kannadasan itself.
  
  He was confered 'kaviperarasu' by the chief minister of tamil nadu and the considered living legend of tamil literature mr. karunanidhi.
  
  and people now fighting that kaviperarasu sounds superior to kaviyarasu and VM must not use it.
  
  not in one of his literary books VM put any title in front of his name.
  
  these titles are just used by the film industry.
  VM is someone beyond these titles.
  
  'ilaya thalapathy' vijay changes to 'puratch thalapathy' vijay for his next movie. its just like that.
  
  no one wants anything.
  so there is no point in fighting for other's titles.
  
  i just felt this view of mine wud suit both the threads so posting it in both of them which are almost similar.
  
  
• From: S.Chandrasekaran (@ 203.145.161.135) on: Fri Jan 24 08:00:32 EST 2003
  
  Hi Nandini (or whoever it may be)
  Either you must not have been aware of what Kannadasan has done or you must be totally biased
  towards VM. Hence you have conveniently said that
  VM is better than Kannadasan. Or else you do not
  belong to the generation when Kannadasan was ruling the roost. You people are happy with songs
  like ponmalai pozhudu,uyire uyire etc which are just average when compared to songs of Kannadasan.
  You have spoken about derogatory terms being used,
  then why are you complaining about Kannadasan was not in his senses. This is very ironical.
  And if you think, Kannadasan was not good in fitting words into tunes, you are sadly mistaken
  again, Kannadasan was an expert in that too.
  And lastly, you have said that there are so many
  people now who can write like Kannadasan and even
  better him. This is nothing but comical.
  If you want to know what Kannadasan has done, pls
  listen to the songs from the following films.
  1.Paasamalar
  2.Paavamanippu
  3.Parthal pasi theerum
  4.Paalum Pazhamum
  5.Par magale par
  6.Andavan Kattalai
  7.Aalayamani
  8.Pudhiya paravai
  9.Kumkumam
  10.Iruvar ullam
  
  Have u listened to songs like
  
  1. Athi kai kai kai, alan kai
  2. Kalangalil aval vasantham
  3. Parthen sirithen
  4. Endha oor endravale
  5. Mayakkama, kalakkama
  
  These films and songs are only small sample of
  that great poet, he has done much more than anybody could have dreamt of doing. Only thing
  was during those days there was not enough exposure and publicity. Even VM will admit that
  Kannadasan is much greater than him and I have
  listened to his interviews abt Kannadasan, he has
  himself admitted that Kannadasan was his inspiration.
  Even in VM's wildest dreams he would not have imagined that there would be a supporter like you
  for him.
  If Kannadasan had been here, VM would have been
  nowhere. He would have been submerged in the
  poetry of Kannadasan.
  I would like to ask you how many songs has VM
  written in tamil, very few, that is in comparison
  to what Kannadasan has done. Dont please say that
  VM is doing this bcose of commercial compulsions,
  as if Kannadasan produced all the films for which
  he penned the songs. All the producers were and are commercially motivated only. So that is not an
  excuse. It is only paucity of talent and imagination on part of VM that he had to borrow
  English words. And mind you, Kannadasan did not get all this fame and popularity for a single film. He was ruling the industry for so many years. And he was never a poet who will bend to
  the whims and fancies of actors, directors,producers etc and change his lyrics, he stuck to his guns.
  For your information, VM's wife is better poet than VM. Only thing is that, it has not been exposed.
  So please think before you pen something.
  
  
  

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