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Director - MD combintaion?, which one is best?. Director - MD combintaion?, which one is best?.
1. Bhemsingh - MSV/TKR
2. K.balachandar - with MSV and VKumar
3. Bharathiraja - IR
4. Manirathnam with IR and ARR
5. T.Rajendar - T.Rajendar
Vote goes to ??

Topic started by easwaran hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Aug 11 17:25:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Responses:

From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-3-118.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Mon Aug 11 17:40:57 EDT 1997

1. Kanchana, Bones, Sathyakeerthi:: 1--60%, 2--40%

2. Gopal, PG, Kitcha, Gopi, CP, Kumar, Raajesh, hari, Aravind, Chandrasekar, etc., 3,4 (with IR)

3. TR for TR (uninimous choice of all tfm page surfers)

IR nanbargale, ungal peyar varaamal vittirundhal, kobithukondu katchi maaraadheergal!! Sorry! Ungal peyarai add seiydhuvidavum!! (Ungal vottu IRukkey!!)
From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-3-118.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Mon Aug 11 17:41:32 EDT 1997

read unanimous
From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-3-118.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Mon Aug 11 18:06:38 EDT 1997

Indha Raagaraaman party (sorry Raajaraman)endha katchinne theriyalaye! Engey add panni udaradhu??
From: easwaran hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on: Mon Aug 11 18:21:50 EDT 1997

gopal avargalle,
Ingu naan konjam kathci mara vendi irrukalam..
Mannithu kollavum. Enakku ennavo, 2 (with MSV ) and 3m kongam nerugiya potti for the top
spot. Ennudia vote 2 kku poga satthiyangal
neeriva irrukidu.

e.hari
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Mon Aug 11 20:52:00 EDT 1997

It's a tough choice among

Bharathiraja - IR
Balu Mahendra - IR
ManiRatnam - IR

A close follower could be RV Udayakumar - IR
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Mon Aug 11 23:05:37 EDT 1997

Thanks-yaa Gopal, ennai nallaa purinju vachchirukkeer!
maththavangaLai patri theriyaadhu, but
I would put 1-80%; appuramdhaan matradhellaam.

Indha Rajaraman irukkarE, avar special manushanayyaa; namma maadhiri moththamaa
side eduththura maattaaru; avarukku nalla
music engirundhu eppa vandhaalum pidikkum;
nalla isai piriyar yaarunnu kEtta en vote
avarukkuththaan. Aanaal, avarai orE oru
aaLukku vote pOdunga endru kEttaa avar
vote IsaiGnani-kkuththaan, kavalai padatheenga!
Am I right, Rajaraman?

Avar sonna Udayakumar-IR combination definitely
deserves mention. AvargaLukkuL oru special
attachment. IR-udaya Thaayaar Thekkadi-kku pOgira
vazhiyil uLLa Pannaipatti graamaththil pirandhu
vaLarndhavanga; avangaLukku arugil irukkum oru ooril
U'kumar kudumbam oru periya pannaiyaar kudumbam;
andha family IR-in Thaayaarukku niraya help
panniyirukkaanga andha kaalaththil - endru kELvi.
Adhanaal, oru special attachment-udan IR avarukku
music pOduraar. I think the best melodies of IR
in the 90's came in Udayakumar's movies:
Kizhakku vaasal, Chinna Gownder, Singaara Velan, Ejamaan,
Rajakumaaran, PonnumaNi etc. I would certainly
put a good part of my remaining 15% vote for
this combination!
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Aug 11 23:24:05 EDT 1997

ennudiaya vote (3)-kku thaan. Mani-IR combo nalla paadalgal koduththirundhaalum, BR-IR combo-la irukkira range illai enRu thaan solla vEndum. athE pOl RVU-IR jOdiyin paadalgal nanRaaga irundhaalum, lot of 'similarities irukkum'. e.g.:chinna goundar & ejamaan: intha rendu padangaLilum almost one-to-one mapping pOdalaam. :)
So my ranking would be: BR-IR; MR-IR; RVU-IR.
BTW did you know that Balu Mahendra is the only director all of whose movies have music by IR. RVU-vin mudhal padathukku isai IR illai. Manoj Gyan enRu ninaikkirEn.
En yaarumE ithu varai KB-IR combo paRRi pEsavillai? 2-award vaangina combo allavA?
athE pOl Sundarraajan-IR combinationum pala nall padangaLai thanthu uLLaargaL - Amman kOil kizhakkaalE; payanangal mudivathillai; vaidEhi kaathirundhaaL; raajaathi raaja; thazhuvaatha kaigaL; saami pOtta mudichu(enakku pidikkum :); more...
Another one for consideration - Sridhar-MSV. Do I need to list the movies? :-).
Sridhar-IR: iLamai oonjalaadugirathu; ninaivellaam nithyA; thenralE ennai thodu; thanthu vittEn ennai. (ada intha combo oru padam kooda sOdai pOga villai!)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Aug 12 02:09:44 EDT 1997

Ravindran:

Sridhar exactly knew how to get the best out of
MD's; avar eduththa endha padamum music vishayaththil
excellent illaamal illai; in fact his combinations
with AMR, MSV/TKR, MSV were in the peak of his
career and were better than that with IR.
It is difficult to spot a Sridhar movie without
great music!

In the 60's APNagarajan-KVMahadhevan combination
was very good (remember all the swami padangaL,
Thillaanaa MoganaambaaL etc.).
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Tue Aug 12 02:38:55 EDT 1997

Ravi

I too read somewhere that music for all Balu Mahendra's movies were scored by IR. But wasn't 'azhiyaadha kOlangaL' a BM movie? Wasn't music scored by Salil Choudhary? Clarifications please.

Gopal bull's eye adiththu vittaar. If I am asked to chose one from the list, I would go for 3. I do not know much about 1. 2 is equally great. But personal preference prevails!! en Ottu 3kkE.
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Tue Aug 12 02:44:08 EDT 1997

sila vishayangaL maRandhuttEn.

RVU's latest movie 'subash' (horrible movie) had Arjun's aaSthaana MD - Vidyasaagar

Another movie, with lovely songs, from the Sridhar-IR combination - naanum oru thozhilaaLi
From: Chandrasekaran (@ proxyf10.cyberway.com.sg) on: Tue Aug 12 03:08:26 EDT 1997

Gopal, you are right. My vote goes to BR-IR combination. All the songs of BR-IR combination are the great hits, compared to rest of the combinations.
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 12 03:38:59 EDT 1997

Speaking of all movies of BR-IR combination, does any one remember any songs from vaalibamE vaa vaa, a Karthik-Radha starrer. The movie was really horrible.
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 12 03:40:53 EDT 1997

Aravind: Wasn't BM just the camera man for azhiyaadha kOlangaL? He himself claimed in an interview that IR has scored all movies for him. This was after Marupadiyum was released.
From: PG (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Tue Aug 12 09:53:49 EDT 1997

To Ravi :

Azhiyaadha Kolangal was directed by BM and the music was by Salil Choudhry. (one of my favourite movies).

Anyway my vote goes to BR-IR combination. Not that other combinations are bad. I enjoyed all songs from Pudhiya paravai and the pa-varisai padangal (Paava mannippu, Paarthal pasi theerum, paalum pazhamum) but IMO IR's music for BR's films is special. The music accentuate BR's films in a way that no other combo matches. In spite of the fact that IR won two of his national awards with KB, I feel that his scores for Sindhu Bhairavi and UMThambi were lacking in feeling - more of technical wizardry than of soul.

Compare to
16 Vayathinile - folk music at its best keeping with the tone of the film
Sigappu Rojakkal - mysterious, dark-toned music reflecting the suspenseful, sinister plot of the movie
Nizhalgal (contains two of IR's all-time best songs - Pon Maalai pozhudhu and Poonkadhave Thaazh thiravaai)
Niram Maaraadha Pookal - romantic, fun music
Pudhiya Vaarpugal - nothing special about the combo (except for the fabulous - Thamthana thamthana)
Alaigal Oyvathillai - great music for adolescent infatuation. Lyrics were also great.
Tik Tik Tik - a thriller movie and the music - what you can call techno-fusion. superb !
And the list goes on
Mann Vaasanai
Pudhumai Penn
- ! My god I forgot the movie of the song Sangeetha Jaadhi Mullai !! (Radha & Kannan)
Mudhal Mariyaadhai

IMO Mudhal Mariyaadhai was the last of the great BR-IR combo movies. In spite of the fact Kadalora Kavithaigal had great music it wasn't as good as the previous ones.

Similarly BR-IR movies after they split and rejoined - Naadodi Thendral and En Uyirth Thozhan had great music but something was missing.
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Tue Aug 12 10:01:41 EDT 1997

I remember the movie - Kaadhal Oviyam ! Phew !
From: Kanchana (@ ww-te02.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Aug 12 10:17:13 EDT 1997

Gopal:
Thank you for voting for me--it goes to show that we've all become one great TFM family with no secrets. But, if allowed a split I'd say 90% to Bheemsingh--TKR/MSV and 10% to BR--IR's early works!!
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 12 13:35:20 EDT 1997

Regarding BR-IR music after the split... IR's music from that period lacked something. It was not a function of BR-IR combo. It could be because IR had become disenchanted with film music by then and wasn't putting everything into it.
I agree with the observation that BR-IR movies give us great BGM too. Music was an essential part of BR's movies and nobody delivered it like IR. IMO ARR's BGM for BR's movies (for that matter any movie) is not all that satisfactory. Reg. earlier Combos.. hey who had heard of BGM in earlier days? :)
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 12 13:43:07 EDT 1997

Kaadhal Oviyam is one of my alltime favourite movies. Not just for the songs. The movie itself is poetic, despite the actors. ennai poRuththa varai padathukku hero music thaan :)
I have bought the album three times having worn out the first two. :-).
This again is one of the movies in which all the songs are not only listenable but great. Some one was lamenting in another thread such movies are non-existent in the 80s. Well here is one counterexample.
From: easwaran hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on: Tue Aug 12 18:30:56 EDT 1997

Nanbergale,
indha thread ippodu IR vs other directors thread agga mari vittahadu appadinu thonudhu. Adhu
thappili, irundhalum cinna mana varutham.
Ellorum IR-BR combination parri ore porrudhaldhan. Anal KB - MSV combination pattri oru varithai kooda yarrum sollaville.
If you take a casual walk in their combination, you can find that their combination is very good.
In the 1970's all their films have very powerful scenes and defintely the songs helped the films in a great way. But it you take IR - BR films, except kadhal oviyyam, alaigal oiyvadhuillai, to some extent muthal mariyadhi, all other films songs are just fillers. But that is not case with
KB - MSV combintaion.
1. approva ragangal - who can forget ellhu swargal and adisya ragam
2. aval oru thodar kathai - kaduval ammithu, dhivam thanda veedu
3. Avargal - Iru manam, angum ingum, karrukena vali.
4. Songs in films manmatha leeli, pattina pravasam ( vaa nila), nool veli, sollathan ninekeran, nilla nijam agirathu, naan avanillai,
and the great ninathale innikum upto agni satchi. I bet all these songs have different situations and all the songs have great lyrics, good singing and great music.
It is a very tempting combination and they
are definetely as good as IR - BR combination, if not better. BTW KB was the only director who used MSV, when others are busy waiting for IR.

e.hari
From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-3-96.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Tue Aug 12 18:43:19 EDT 1997

hari is right

msv/kb combo gave us great music, no doubt! Infact, there was something quite different from MSVs music in the movies from KBs direction namely Thillu Mullu and Agnisaatchi. The two songs that haunt me even now are "Raagangal Padhinaaru" and "Kanaakkaanum" respectively. The later one needs mention for its picturization. And needless to say the way spb stole the show with his voice! Hats off Mellisai Manna!!
I have a problem accepting this guy called KB who thrives on pervert subjects (sorry, a different track, but unable to resist, and, for that matter there are enuf directors!!)and thats the reason, i was not able to enjoy his films, much. Nevertheless, the music was good. If we call Sivaji's histrionics "over-acting" sometimes, KB's direction was "over-directing" sometimes, nay, most of the times. (Sorry for that deviation!!)
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Aug 12 23:57:04 EDT 1997

Hari: you forgot V.N.Sigappu; Ah, who can forget
"sippi irukkudhu muththum irukkudhu".

(Gopal: I agree with you fully on this KB stuff;
recent-aaga Kalki paarththEn; pudhumai endru makkaL
solluraanga; but, I think it's downright stupidity. Sorry again, for the deviation from
TFM to TF.)
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Wed Aug 13 00:12:33 EDT 1997

KB-MSV combo is equally great. ennaip poRuththa varaikkum, oru padaththule 10+ paadalgaL irunthum, ellaa paattaiyum sooperaak kuduththathu 'ninaiththaalE inikkum'. adhai minja innoru padam idhu varai varalai.

Did KB go for IR for 'netRikkaN' and then rejoined MSV for 'thaNNIr thaNNIr'?

water water had a great song from KB-MSV combo.

kaNNaana pUmaganE
kaNNuRangu sUriyanE
aaththaa azhudha kaNNIr
aaRaagap perugi vanthu
thottil nanaikkum varai - un
thUkkam kalaikkum varai

from thaNNIr thaNNIr. nenjai aRukkum paadal. PS had rendered it wonderfully (Sundar, kavanikka - I am unbiased!!!). I wonder who wrote the lyrics. yaar ezhuthi irunthaalum, Hats Off.

'aaththaa azhutha' kaNNIr thaan aaRaagap perugum. There is no other source of thaNNIr. Vow!! Vow!!
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Wed Aug 13 00:40:02 EDT 1997

kannaana poomugane was penned by Vairamuthu.
From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Wed Aug 13 02:04:10 EDT 1997

Better than fighting which combination
is good we can tailk about great songs that
came out of each combination.
From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-4-72.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Wed Aug 13 11:08:52 EDT 1997

Talking about good songs, the following are the ones (from MSV?) that haunt me forever!!
1. Anubavam pudhumai (MSV thanE?, lyrics vEnum, YaaraAvadhu ezudhavum, who was the lyricist?)
2. Kaadhal Raajiyam Yenadhu (Mannavan vandhaanadi)
3. Kaadhal nilave, kanmani raadha (MD - AMRaja?)
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc42.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 13 13:35:50 EDT 1997

Gopal:
I'm so pleasantly surprised!!! Do you think each one of us has ONE song which is special--or is it too hard to narrow it down? What thinks you? (Also, I know the lyrics to Anubavam Pudhumai but need to rush off to a meeting;if nobody beats me to it, will write them later.)
From: easwaran hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on: Wed Aug 13 18:22:02 EDT 1997

To gopal and satya kirthi,
nanri. Neengal sonnadhu pool, MSV music for
KB films is different from his other songs. His songs in KB films is much smoother ( not any
big chord changes), may be KB demanded it from MSV. Bcos, VKumar who previously scored
for KB, always scored very smooth songs. In this period, MSV started using more of guitar, violin and piano. Also he started using new type of orchestration, where he starts some music in the first interlude and stop it partially
and develop it further in third interlude. Songs like kadaual ammathi vaitha, kamban ammandhan, illakanaum marutho, he followed this style. Did any one remembers songs in the
film manmatha leelai and naan avanillai ( gemeni's last film as hero/villan). It has some very nice songs, one starts something like
radha, radha. kanakanum in agnichatchi is a beautiful song, but influenced by IR music at that time to some extent. That was the last MSV film for a big direcotr, though he came out some good songs in the films janani, nillavum malare and others, later.

e.hari
From: Kanchana (@ ww-to03.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 13 19:35:48 EDT 1997

Hari:
Naan Avanillai has two beautiful songs: "Radha Kadhal Varaadhaa" and "Mandhaara Malarae"
Kanchana
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 13 21:17:28 EDT 1997

Gopal:

If you have Murasu-Anjal you can see the lyrics of
Anubavam Pudhumai at PPP:
http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/ppp/anubavam_pudhumai.html

"kaadhal nilavE, kaNmaNi Raadhaa" is from
Hello Mr Zamindhar.
From: shankar (@ webgate3.mot.com) on: Wed Nov 5 08:55:14 EST 1997

How about including Mahendran-IR combo,
these are some,
uthiripookal ,
johnny,
nandu,
metti,
mullum malarum.
all of them have great songs.
From: sathya (@ client-151-200-127-121.bellatlantic.net) on: Thu Dec 25 03:35:47 EST 1997

To all,
If you are a fan of a MD other than IR, let me explain you why IR stays ahead of rest by billions of miles.
If you take music of directors before IR, they hardly had the credit for their music. Their songs had the tag like MGR song, SIVAJI song, SSR's Thaththuva Songs, KB's songs and so on. They did not have their stamp on their songs.
Ilayaraja is the man who proved that a music director can take the entire film on his shoulders. Films advertised with his name and having trivial artists went for 200 days. It is obvious looking at the calibre of the following actors.

Mohan : Payanangal Mudivathillai
Ilamai kaalangal
Nan paadum paadal
Udayageetham

Ramarajan: Enga OOru kavalkaran
Karagattakaran

Rajkiran : En Raasavin Manasile
AranmanaiKili
Ellaame en Raasathan

Vijaykanth : Vaideki kathirunthal
Amman koil kilakkale
Ninaive Oru Sangeetham
(Vijaykanth gained individuality only after these films)

These are the list of Directors who were identified by people by virtue of Ilayaraja. People may curse me that these directors have individuality. But in the absence of IR's music all of these people would have gone null and void.

Barathiraja (Can you imagine his films without IR)
Mahendran
Balumahendra
Balachandar(From Sindhu Bairavi - IR gave him a come back)
Mani Rathnam ( Heavily begged for IR's music for his career enhancement)
R.V.Udayakumar ( His only strength is IR)
R.K.Selvamani
P.Vasu ( Still he beleives he played the key roll in thesuccess of SINNA THAMBI, poor guy)

Also if you notice, You can observe that IR is the only person who can take a better credit in a Super Star film than Rajini himself, e.g. VEERA, the sole reason Rajini is worrying and hesitating to utilise IR's services.

If you ask me to list the rest it may take a few weeks long.

Ilayaraja stays ahead in any department of music such as
Duets(kanmaniye!!!!!!)
Pathos(Thenpandi seemaiyile)
Dappanguthus(Podhuvaga en manasu)
Background Music(almost all, particularly Mudal Mariathai, a directors's envy)
Albums (how to name it)
Rithms ( I like to quote AAttama!!, Asaiya Kaththula)
Instrument oriented songs ( punnagai mannan,
Ilayanila...)
Bit songs (Mudal Mariathai, Devar magan, Sinna Goundar)
Sexy songs!!!(Nila kayuthu!!! Even Ilayaraja cannot beat this song with another of the kind)
Songs for overseas shooting (Priya.....)
Devotional ( Janani Janani....)
casual ( Meenkodi Theril - A miracle composing)
Etc etc.........

sathya
From: Veera (@ ) on: Wed Dec 5 21:37:49 EST 2001

how can anyone forget Fasil-IR combo? Great movies like Poo vizhi vasalile where we are spell bound by the bgm.

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