Topic started by vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on Thu Apr 11 00:50:43 EDT 2002.
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Srikanth ( deva's son who composed the music for "doubles" & Sabesh Murali ( deva's siblings) who scored for Samuthiram seem to have gone off. Are they doing any new films.
Responses:
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Thu Apr 11 03:09:27 EDT 2002
sabesh murali is doing '1000 poy solli' and 'Naina'
NagaS
- From: needhidevan (@ 61.11.80.4)
on: Thu Apr 11 06:07:47 EDT 2002
why even bother to know about these lousy music directors who cant compose for ballls and can only know to lift tunes just like their guru DEVA the great xerox machine. pls dont bother to open such unnecessary threads .
- From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.204)
on: Thu Apr 11 07:38:49 EDT 2002
Needhidevan
I agree with you wholeheartedly that these guys have not proven anything. But if some people choose to enjoy their music, who are we to question them? Live and let live. :)
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Thu Apr 11 23:53:19 EDT 2002
needhidevan,
why bother opening & posting your comments. you can go & open yet another IR thread Best IR- Kosu combination songs. Unforgettable dappan kuthus of IR etc.
The orchestration in " Pineapple varnathoddu" is quite good. The swinging sixties night club ambience is brought back there. Labellai parthu musicai decide pannatheergal.
(Sabesh-murali deva's brothers bad. YSR,KR IR's children good)
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Fri Apr 12 00:40:23 EDT 2002
vengayam,
I agree with you that we shouldn't decide the music based on the label,
But is your last statement necessary ? Don't you think Both KR and YSR are way ahead of Sabesh - MuraLi in terms of musical achievements ?
I liked PineApple (Modern version of KaNNaalee pesip pesik kollaathee) and the saraNam of 'Daa Bakka' (???) from Samudhiram,
NagaS
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Fri Apr 12 02:14:10 EDT 2002
NagaS,
your statement that my statement is unnecessary only reiterates my point . give sabesh-murali time. & YSR/KR are beneficiaries of the legacy of IR. I think i can count the good songs of the duo in the fingers of my hands. Period.
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Fri Apr 12 02:41:57 EDT 2002
vengayam,
YSR's first movie, 'Aravindhan' as well as KR's Second movie 'MaNikkam' had good quality songs which are remembered even today, that is the reason they started getting recognition ... Once Sabesh-MuraLi gives good songs like that, they will also get the same, you needn't worry !
I was objecting your saying that we support KR / YSR only because they are from IR family,
When Music fans don't treat Deva himself as a competition to IR, do you think they will even care to worry about these small kids ?
NagaS
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Fri Apr 12 03:32:23 EDT 2002
why should one MD be a competition to another. My only grouse is Deva is the most maligned person in Music world today.after hits like AAsai, Nerukku ner, vaali, mugavari, annamalai,aahaa I don't think he needs to prove anybody. Aravindhan sucks big time. Raasayya (KR?) had one melodious duet, ullam kollai poguthe has acouple of hummable nos. Alexander had a decent duet (malaioram)KR's Grahan is good. . nanda has one excellent no. That is about it. of course you may not agree but IMHO the rest stands only because of the big daddy connection.
Reg. Sabesh_murali,Srikanth I just wanted to know what is forthcoming That is all.
As an asideIn fact I decide to buy CDS/cassettes much after the films have come & gone. ( if they stand my time test only then i buy them. many a time I do not get them in the market!)
I am not anti IR music, I am anti IR views & more anti IR fans(most) attitude that music begins & ends with IR.period.
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Fri Apr 12 05:57:51 EDT 2002
Aravindhan sucks and Samudhiram had good songs ?
Great observation, I don't want to argue with you more on this - people know the truth,
>>>> AAsai, Nerukku ner, vaali, mugavari, annamalai,aahaa
Do you know the %age of copied songs in every album you have mentioned here ? Nerukku Naer, Vaali and Mugavari had some songs which were ditto from their English originals ... I don't know why you included 'Aaaha' in this list - except 'Muthal muthalil paarththaen', none of the other songs in Aaaha were popular ...
Even if we accept that these were big hits, Where is deva's creativity here ? What was his 'real' contribution in 'making' (I won't call it as a composing) these HIT songs ? all he does is copy - paste which I can do much better if given a chance,
I am sure no music listener will accept Deva as a composer, he is just somebody who calls others' children as his own and earns money in that process,
NagaS
PS :
I was the first person to respond to this thread and I don't have anything against Deva or his family, I was only arguing that YSR and KR do stand on their own talent, not in their father's name.
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Fri Apr 12 06:37:15 EDT 2002
YSR & KR do not mix and match ? am i to believe this. Ok i'll believe anything. marina kadarkkari oram kannagi silai eduthangale andha idathil IR kottam katti kumbabishekam pannungal.
- From: no jalra (@ 202.9.144.18)
on: Fri Apr 12 07:00:21 EDT 2002
Vengayam nalla idea. but kottam is too much.a small pandahal konjam jalras oru periya thundu pothum.
- From: no jalra (@ 202.9.144.18)
on: Fri Apr 12 07:05:23 EDT 2002
NagaS, u have great sense of humour.that too u r comment on Manickam - KR's Second movie 'MaNikkam' had good quality songs - nice one. keep it up.
- From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.138)
on: Fri Apr 12 07:15:34 EDT 2002
Topic nallaa soodu pidichirukku? :)
I do and have enjoyed Deva. More than recent IR I must say. As for Srikanth and Sabesh Murali, I am not impressed yet. YSR sounds very very promising. The less said about KR the better.
Have I covered all the MD's discussed here? :)
p/s sorry Vengaayam, I under estimated you. :)
- From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210)
on: Fri Apr 12 07:45:42 EDT 2002
>>>> YSR & KR do not mix and match ?
If I have great sense of humour as per no jalra, vengayam has good imagination power ... pls. read my posting again, these are two different things and I never said that IR / KR / YSR do not copy / get inspired / mix and match or whatever,
No jalra,
MaNikkam songs nijamaavee kaettirukkeengaLaa neenga ? It is better than Samudhiram in any standards IMHO, His work in Ullaasam (Which vengaayam chose to ignore comfortably) is also very good, I needn't prove ANYTHING about YSR - his recent albums do all the talking ...
OKay ... Looks like this is a deva fans club, and I am sure that I don't belong here :-)
- From: !@$ (@ 199.50.29.41)
on: Fri Apr 12 10:01:54 EDT 2002
kr's dum dum dum was a truly great album
- From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.156)
on: Fri Apr 12 11:54:22 EDT 2002
muthal muthalil from Aahaa is copied from Nadeem Shravan
- From: sarath (@ 131.238.34.144)
on: Fri Apr 12 13:30:58 EDT 2002
Sad to see the postings like this!. Again Mr. isai gnani No jaalra, is into act. i do agree samudiram songs are catchy and good. but they can never be compared to KR songs like DUM3, Ullasam, etc. ofcourse YSR is doing good as everyone knows. I think Srikant who composed for "doubles" did an excellent job. may be sri and sab-mur s'd be given a long and good chances to prove themselves. instead , dont again derogate YSR and KR. they proved that they are talented enough as any onther good composer.
yena No jaalra, ithu okya ile, ithukum, unga gnanathula opposition irukaa?
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Fri Apr 12 22:56:17 EDT 2002
NagaS
I startede the post. Deva fan clubnnu elakkarama pesaa deenga. As you rightly pointed out you were the first to respond. so let us leave it at that. i don't think i've offended / hurt any one. Views can & should differ.
- From: nojalra (@ 202.9.144.18)
on: Sat Apr 13 05:29:54 EDT 2002
NagaS,
nejamavey keturken adhvum namma raajavoda pillai pota mudal padam velila varutheynnu - though the first film booked is Alexander but manikam was released first - aavala poi vanginen aana i was disapointed. it was highly ameturish which karthik himself has acceppted in an interview but as usual he blamed it on the director.
of course Ulaasam is a beautiful album it had some wonderfuly 'inspired' songs. dum dum dum is his best.he sounded better in ullam kollai poguthey and nam iruver.but his other films are just average. he wasted chances like kadala kadala and vanchinathan both r big budjet movies with lot of expectations.atleast in kk he gave one fantastic tappanguthu number but in vanji.....worse than a boomboom madu musician.
the problem with karthik is he knows too much music and he thinks too much of it. he can only go by the book.he is not creative or experimenting type.if u listen to him u will notice his arrangements and coduction of music is far better than his tunes. for tunes he follows his father's pattern.he is not able to create catchy and fresh tunes.thats a big drawback for a music director.
yuvan differs here.though his orchestration and arrangements are not as good as karthik but he gets the right simple tune.thats where he wins.
- From: S T S (@ 12.234.131.39)
on: Sat Apr 13 13:09:28 EDT 2002
nojalra,
I agree with your last statement. Otherwise....
Ulaasam is a beautiful album it had some wonderfuly 'inspired' songs. What are those inspired songs?
dum dum dum is his best.he sounded better in ullam kollai poguthey and nam iruver.
In your own statements DDD is best and other 2 are better (than best). How many other films he scored? Maanickam and KK had some good songs (needs patience to listen)
In Vaanjinaathan I liked 'Rendu Kaalulla' and 'Roja' songs are great. Not sure what you expect of him.
KRs orchestration are only next to IR. YSR very amaterish in this area. True, KR seems to have a mindset that this is a musical film and hence scope for music (vice versa otherwise). He has to change that. Every opportunity is a chance and he should come up with all hit tunes. KR is a highly under rated MD.
I liked many songs in Samuthiram. Nice catchu tunes. Good Luck to Sabesh Murali too.
- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132)
on: Sun Apr 14 08:14:42 EDT 2002
http://www.tamilan.com/news/index3.html
Have a look at the article regarding the cassette release function for Doubles. I dont know how far it's true, but it is hilarious.
Is it true Srikanth married the singer Febi?
And another digression. Samudhiram star Monal (Simran's sister) commits suicide. Poor thing.
http://www.dinmani.com/Cinema/CineHeadlines.asp?Page=C&ID=DNC20020414055719
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