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Salangai_Oli Vs Nayagan Vs Punnagai_ Mannan

Topic started by twilight_zone (@ 203.199.247.59) on Sun Mar 10 09:55:45 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Happened to see these again recently. Three legendary movies :-).Which film, would you say displayed the best synergy between the MD and the director?. (Say judging by "aptness" of songs & the picturizations, BGMs specific to the situations.)

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Responses:

• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.70.230) on: Sun Mar 10 10:19:19 EST 2002
  
  Salangai Oli
  Unbelievable in every way. Many people are still surprised when told it is a dubbed movie. K. Viswanath, Kamalahasan & IR made this movie, nay kaaviyam.
  
  Naayagan
  Though it carries the "smear" that it was inspired by Godfather, it is a wonderfully made movie. Songs took a backseat in this Maniratnam feature, but the BGM is enough to illustrate the MD.
  
  Punnagai Mannan
  A depressing movie with too much of "computer" music. :)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Mon Mar 11 02:50:22 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL/Aadhavan,
  U think PM had too much of "computer music". I thought "the PM theme music" had eternal longevity (saagavaram petra music bit). Sounds refreshing every time u hear it :-)
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Mon Mar 11 03:41:01 EST 2002
  
  ..and the credit completely goes to the composer and nobody else :-)
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on: Mon Mar 11 03:51:07 EST 2002
  
  TZ,
  Maadhulai Mutthukkalil ethu siRanthathu enru kaettaal ethai solvathu??? Ithu muRaiyaa??
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Mon Mar 11 05:35:20 EST 2002
  
  Three Depressssssssing movies.
  twilight_zone, didn't u have better ways to spend ur weekend?
  :-)
  
  
• From: jp (@ 211.4.180.122) on: Mon Mar 11 06:18:24 EST 2002
  
  Salangai Oli
  
  
• From: Kum_Laden (@ 154.20.83.173) on: Mon Mar 11 06:48:24 EST 2002
  
  It appears to my weird(or wired wateve) mind that Mahanadhi is the Best musical than any of the above. Just that one song "Thanmanamulla nenju ennalum sahathu.. " will ring for years
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.61.3) on: Mon Mar 11 07:18:55 EST 2002
  
  Vels
  To each his won.
  
  But somehow or other, that Thenpaandi seemaiyile gets to haunt you. :)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Mon Mar 11 08:26:24 EST 2002
  
  :-) dear whynot,
  I did have lovely options to spend my weekend [and i actually did use one such lovely option, but i have no intentions of telling that to you, that too in a public forum :-)]. It intriguing to see how much u hate "depressing" movies, but movies with "fatal" ends seem to attract public more & seem to kindle the MD of the film better than happy ones (especially in the BGM arena). ["whynot", if u termed the above three as depressing, i shudder to think what havoc a film like MAHANADHI will have on u :-)). It is my eternal favourite when it comes to kamal movies]
  
  Saran, i wud like to have ur views anyway :-). Neenga muthu udhirtha nalla irukkum :-)
  
  Kum_Laden, u r so right abt MAHANADHI. Surprisingly, Salangai Oli/Punnagai Mannan/Nayagan all have positive things thru'out with fatal ends, but MAHANADHI has ultra negative heavy moments thru'out while ending on a positive note. Still, the one with positive ending (MAHANADHI) has heavier effect on you...
  
  ROTFL, same feeling abt "thenpandi seemayile". I personally feel Maniratnam & IR synergy might just score above the other two. Whatdya think? I believe Maniratnam as a demanding director offered so many silent "voids" in the film NAYAGAN wherein the MD has to fill'in with heavy BGMs.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.9) on: Mon Mar 11 09:19:46 EST 2002
  
  If you are talking about BGM, Nayagan wins hands down.
  Next would be Salangai Oli.
  As for K Balachander, songs complement his movie very much and play a secondary role.
  
  Ularren pola, sorry I have ate too much. :)
  P - I had delicious mouth-watering nasi lemak and that too on banana leave. :)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.136) on: Mon Mar 11 09:23:45 EST 2002
  
  S, the gr8 english prof..
  since when did singular of leaves become leave.
  ha ha got u this time ;)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.9) on: Mon Mar 11 09:28:33 EST 2002
  
  I took leave of my senses. :)
  Didn't I tell you that I was too full. :)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.136) on: Mon Mar 11 09:37:15 EST 2002
  
  In that case u shouldnt be ROTFL(the abbrev)
  u know what happens next! ;)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.9) on: Mon Mar 11 09:40:41 EST 2002
  
  I become a 16-year old?
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Mar 12 06:20:16 EST 2002
  
  i will put the question in a different angle. In which film, of these three, do u think the director placed more responsibilities on the shoulders of the MD? [No, punnagai mannan cannot be ruled out straightaway ruled out while answering this question. IMHO, its a strong contender.]
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue Mar 12 06:54:31 EST 2002
  
  ...In which film, of these three, do u think the director placed more responsibilities on the shoulders of the MD?...
  My ranking:
  1) Salangai Oli
  2) Punnagai Mannan
  3) Nayagan
  My ranking is based on the involvement of the music with the story.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Mar 12 07:03:17 EST 2002
  
  whynot..which film had a more depressing theme, according to u? [i am curious, b'cos, ur ranking above seems to have been influenced by the 'heaviness' in the script]
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Mar 12 07:09:35 EST 2002
  
  [ahem, why is whynotekaha silent ? ;-). know what, self hates "refreshing" a web page a million times.]
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue Mar 12 07:36:23 EST 2002
  
  whynotekaha has spoken. check again now.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Mar 12 07:44:47 EST 2002
  
  yes, but a bit cold though..
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.141) on: Tue Mar 12 08:28:51 EST 2002
  
  I don't think you can compare like that twilight_zone.
  
  Nayagan and Punnagai Mannan do not need songs. They would have survived without the MD (except BGM) :)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Mar 12 08:53:28 EST 2002
  
  Punnagai Mannan did not need songs?????????? ROTFL, r u still under the effect of "full" (meals) of yesterday? :-)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.141) on: Tue Mar 12 08:59:20 EST 2002
  
  OK, we will meet halfway. PM do not need songs as much as SO does. Okvaa? :)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 203.199.245.166) on: Tue Mar 12 11:09:12 EST 2002
  
  sounds a lot better ROTFL :-)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.70.90) on: Wed Mar 13 07:54:14 EST 2002
  
  Does this mean that this thread now comes to a conclusion? :)
  
  
• From: R.S.Balaji (@ 202.58.177.10) on: Wed Mar 13 08:20:01 EST 2002
  
  Maestro brings life to all his films thru his music, irrespective who the director is....
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Wed Mar 13 08:46:35 EST 2002
  
  Nayagan doesnt have many SUPER DOOPER hit songs like the other two movies..agreed that "neeyoru kaathal" and "then pandi" are great songs..but still the count only comes to 2..
  songs wise PM leads SO in my humble opinion.
  BGM wise this is my order
  1)SO
  2)Nayagan
  3)PM
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on: Thu Mar 14 01:11:08 EST 2002
  
  All the 3 movies are great. All these movies had good storyline and nice songs. And ofcourse an excellent BGM. Nayagan --- To me, all the songs are nice, "nee oru kaathal sangeetham", "Thenpaandi seemaiyilae", "Naan siritthaal Deepavali" and ofcourse "Nilaa athu vaanatthu maelae". Whynot & gowri, sandaikku varaatheenga! The BGM part of it, is awesome. It really lifts the movie. PM --- Excellent songs, "Enna sattham", "aethaetho ennam valarthaen" to name some and BGM! SO --- Excellent movie in all aspects. IMHO, SO comes first, followed by Nayagan and PM...
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Mar 14 03:44:39 EST 2002
  
  saran, neenga "muthu" udhirthadhukku nandri. But tell me, in which of these films did u think BGM was going to be real tough to compose?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.91) on: Thu Mar 14 05:53:55 EST 2002
  
  salangai oli, depressing movie'yA? enna vidhadhil? another says it had a fatal ending??? In what way? (Agreed, all deaths are tragic, but when someone passes down a legacy -with a `I've completed my job with satisfaction' feel- and calmly goes to sleep, I won't call it fatal!
  
  even in those scenes when Kamal drinks in low ebb and sings `thakida thidhimi' ones jumps around in elation despite those heavy emotions when Jayapradha approaches him with kungumam .... depressing is definitely not the way to define the film...thaththarigida dhiththarigida dhA..tharigida dhAA...tharigida dhAA:-)))
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on: Thu Mar 14 06:08:48 EST 2002
  
  TZ,
  I feel it's NAYAGAN!!! Great music from IR!! IMHO, In mani's movies, the dialogues are always short and crispy. IR did a commendable job for mani's movies by giving nice songs and GREAT and as well an APT BGM!!! May be that's the reason, i feel something is missing in his movies, nowadays. Whether those golden days will come back??!! NOM!!!
  
  
• From: JKB (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Thu Mar 14 07:59:06 EST 2002
  
  You must include another legendary movie Sindhu Bhairavi also, in this list
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Mar 14 09:09:45 EST 2002
  
  JKB, u r right. A film like Sindhu Bhairavi can be one hell of a challenge to any composer. Very true.
  
  

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