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Creativity of MSV

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-117.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Sat Jan 10 15:32:47 EST 1998.
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• From: karthi (@ lab6.theatrium.net) on: Sat Feb 6 22:36:34 EST 1999
  
  SriRam (L),
  
  Shehnai's usage in "Iravum Nilavum Valarattume" marandhutteengaLE, it had (& has) that very very very unexpected character in that song, only to elevate it to great heights.
  
  I have a yearning right now to compile MSV's compositions to have them for ever and take them with me even to my next birth!
  
  Here's but a small list:
  
  1. Saravana Poigaiyil - as it comes in the movie.
  2. Amaidhiyaana NadhiyinilE
  3. Maalaipp Pozhudhin MayakathilE
  4. Kannukku KulamEdhu
  5. Ennuyir ThOzhi
  6. Madhura Nagaril Thamizhch Changam
  7. Athai Madi Meththaiyadi
  8. Oru Naal Iravil Kan Urakkam Pidikkavillai
  9. KElvi Pirandhadhu Andru
  10. Ammammaa KEladi ThOzhi
  11. Naalaam Naalaam Thiru Naalaam
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2116.iconnet.com) on: Tue Feb 9 12:28:41 EST 1999
  
  Sriram L:
  
  Thanks for reminding Anbulla Maan Vizhiye - nice to get back tunes hiding somewhere upstairs:)
  Some of other MSV greats I like: I have left out MSV-TKR ( that opens up a bigger box of goodies)
  
  Thuyilaga Naanirundhenna-Selva Magal
  Mannikka Venduhiren & Madhavi Pon - Iru Malarhal
  Vizhiye Kadhai - Urimaikural
  Naan Paadum PAdale.. adhu yen Kanney - (PS is just sweet.. - Bhavani is the movie?)
  Bharati Kannama - Ninaithale Innikum
  Adhisaya Ragam - Apoorva Raagangal
  Naan Kaatru Vaanga Ponen -Padagoti (I am not sure if this is MSV-TKR or MSV)
  Thaalatu PAdi - (Praptham ?)
  Sumaithangi SAindhal - Thanga Padhakkam
  Idhayam Pesinaal (Vani Jairam - film ?)
  Naalai Indha velai, Yen Kelvikkenna, Vellikinnam (Uyarndha Manidhan)
  Or Ayiram (Sumathi En Sundhari)
  
  List goes on and on..
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Tue Feb 9 15:16:31 EST 1999
  
  1. "kEttathum koduppanE krishnA krishnA" has nice veena and flute interludes.
  2. "nee yennena sonnAlum kavithai" has awesome guitar,violin and veena pieces.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Tue Feb 9 17:44:05 EST 1999
  
  Strange , no mention has ever been made of
  thr guitar pieces in "What a waiting" in Ninaithale Inikkum.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ slip-32-101-16-81.il.us.ibm.net) on: Wed Feb 10 09:22:31 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  I was hearing Maligai en-Mannan mayangum...what a compostion, the flute interludes and the percussion and bass parts are one of his best.
  Terrific tabla parts. It bridges over the drum parts beautifully, (Thanks to Prasad one of the unknown artists in TFM, plays or played tabla for MSV, powerfull pair of hands)
  
  MSV fans, I going to upload some great MSV pieces by this month end in my web site, will contain most songs mentioned here.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02990.mayo.edu) on: Wed Feb 10 12:51:23 EST 1999
  
  Hi Srikanth
  
  Agree about Prasads' amazing rythm sense. What do you think about the use of echo?
  
  Most of MSV's composition had been in a time where artificial echo was seldom used, especially for the vocals. There seems to be a natural reverberation from the room where the instrumentalists recorded (in the studio); one could appreciate this if one listened carefully. But the voice in most cases (excludes his very late works) is devoid of much echo/processing?
  
  What do feel is the best way to record vocals? Do you have any feelings/comment on the way MSV recorded his vocals?
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Wed Feb 10 13:47:51 EST 1999
  
  Raja, "Naan kaatru vanga ponen" is from "Kalangarai viLakkam" scored by MSV.
  
  Srikanth, when you made a mention of percussions, I immediately got reminded of "lilly
  malarukku kondaattam" and "Banzai" from U.S.valiban, the latter had superbly placed congo beats.
  Prasad, I guess , plays for IR these days. Great work in "Raagangal pathinaaru" in "Thillu Mullu". Another one of the several hundreds of numbers that had very imaginative tabla beats, "Unnai eNNi yennai maranthen" by PS from 'ragasiya police 115".
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2116.iconnet.com) on: Wed Feb 10 15:48:54 EST 1999
  
  Sriram L:
  
  Thanks for the clarification. Got confused with some other song. Kalangarai Vilakam has another great Ennai Marandhen ..Thendrale (something not right with my words ) (PS )
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Wed Feb 10 16:03:42 EST 1999
  
  Raja, it is "Ennai Maranthathen..". Other songs in KGV,
  Pallavan Pallavi paadattume
  ponnezhil poothathu puthu vaanil
  Enna uravo enna pirivo
  Sange muzhangu.
  
  Have you heard the songs of "Oru thai MakkaL"? "PaadiNaaL oru paattu" by TMS and PBS (the concept of seconds was introduced by MSV) and another great melody "kaNNan enthan Kaathalan".
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2116.iconnet.com) on: Wed Feb 10 16:34:11 EST 1999
  
  Sriram L:
  
  I like Minminiyai Kanmanaai Kondava..ai Ennidame Thandhal from Kannan En Kaadhalan - quite lively.
  
  Dont care much for Paadinal Oru Paatu personally :)
  
  Oru Thai Makkal - dont remember specific songs.
  
  Were Kanmani Raja and Kuzhandhaiyum Deivamum from the same period? Naan nandri solven - with an intoxicating PS's voice - slow beat with a piano in the background - quite rare IMO :)
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Wed Feb 10 17:39:08 EST 1999
  
  MSV followed similar arrangements for
  "VaNNakkiLi sonna mozhi" ,"Manithan enbavan deivamaagalaam" and "KaNNirendum minna minna" (Aandavan KattaLai) , swing beats with piano. Talking of piano pieces, listen to the prelude music in "Paaduvor Paadinaal Aadathondrum" from "kaNNan en Kaathalan".
  
  If you have noticed, humming was given tremendous importance , you could create fresh tunes out of those . Eg :- Poovarayum poongodiye(idayathil Nee), NaaLaam NaaLaam thiruNaaLaam (kaathalikka neramillai),
  Athaanin muthangaL (uyarntha manithan), oru raaja raNiyidam (sivantha MaNN) , Yaarukku MaappiLLai Yaaro (paarthaal Pasi theerum) and several more.
  
  KD was released probably in the same period. I do not know about KR. What are the songs in KR ?
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Feb 10 18:13:34 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  You're bringing to mind a lot of great songs here.
  Sriram, Oru Thaai Makkal also had the duet, "Aayiram Kannukku Virundhaagum".
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-te021.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 10 19:57:28 EST 1999
  
  Poovarayum Poongodiye (Is it by PBS)-yes great humming. I think that movie had other greats.
  
  Kanmani Raja has one more good song - Odam Adhu Odum, adhu sollum porul enna (PS and SBP), I think there was a freshness to MSV's music after splitting with TKR.
  
  keep adding...
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ spider-wo061.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 10 20:10:24 EST 1999
  
  raja,
  
  is it not "Odam kadalOram athu sollum poruLenna"?
  great number!. There is one unique thing (i think it is unique) in that song . SPB repeats the line "yEno athu yEno athai nAnum rasikindrEn " for 5 times to different tunes.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Feb 10 22:15:44 EST 1999
  
  Raja, Sriram: KR came in 1972, I think whereas KD
  came in 1966. KR had one more great song.. kaadhal
  viLaiyaada kattilidu kaNNE.
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-ta061.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 10 22:38:59 EST 1999
  
  Ragapriyan, Rameshb:
  
  What are the other songs in KD and KR?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-10.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Feb 10 23:07:20 EST 1999
  
  Raja
  KD:
  anbulla man vizhiye
  enne vegam nillu bama
  kozhi oru kootile seval oru
  kootile(MSRajeswari)
  Kuzhandhaiyum deivamum gunathaal ondru
  pazhamudhir solaiyile thozhi
  parthavan vandhaanadi
  KR: 2 songs have already been mentioned. One more is naan aanaiyittal(Pushpalatha)
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Feb 11 01:36:07 EST 1999
  
  I think the train song, chiththirai maadham
  powrNami nEram sung by PS in Raman eththanai
  Ramanadi, is an excellent creation by MSV. I feel
  even Raja's manjaL nilaavukku indru orE sugam
  pales in comparison to this song. The beats are
  very innovative and the train effect is so nicely
  brought out with the music as well as the sandhams.
  An excellent example to point to MSV's creativity! Comments?
  
  
• From: raja (@ icon2116.iconnet.com) on: Thu Feb 11 09:49:49 EST 1999
  
  Ragapriyan:
  
  I find Manjal nilavukku better ( dont know why:)
  One more train based tune - Ullam rendum from Sivagamiyin Selvan.
  
  Bhumiyil Iruppadhum from Shanti Nilayam has excellent lyrics and a positive feel to it. The film also had Iyarkai ennum Ilayakani. Is it by SBP and PS? - SBP's voice sounds different.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Thu Feb 11 11:25:14 EST 1999
  
  Raja,
  Yes! iyarkai ennum is by SPB and PS.
  While there are diverging opinions on whether SPB's first song is 'aariyam nilave vaa' or 'iyarkai yennum iLayarkanni' , SPB's first song indeed is none of these!. His first song is from a film 'Hotel Ramba' which was never released. SPB himself agreed to this in a function when gangai amaran jokularly said there is a relationship between SPB and ramba. SPB was flabbergasted on this and when he asked GA why he said so, he explained by saying his first song featured in that film!
  
  Ragapriyan,
  'Chiththirai mAtham' is indeed a creative one! Speaking of creativity, i think 'paduvOr pAdinAl Ada thOndrum' also qualifies for the category. It is refreshing with its piano interludes. The song has thundering start with tabla , violin , piano combo . Another song in idhaya veenai 'ponnanthi mAzhai pozhuthu' which is a pleasant number has excellent violin ,guitar pieces in the second interlude.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ ifmxlenx.na.informix.com) on: Thu Feb 11 14:03:53 EST 1999
  
  Rameshbb, SG scored the music for "Idhaya Veenai", MSV-ish isn't it? Several tunes.
  
  "Oru Raaja RaaNiyidam" from Sivantha MaNN had it all...exuberance, melody and different tunes. The other song from SM, "Oru NaaLile Uravaanathe" had unbelievable melody content and so did "KaNNan enthan Kaathalan" from "Oru Thaai makkaL".
  
  Raja, other songs of "Shanthi Nilayam", KadavuL oru NaaL ulagaikkaaNa
  Iraivan Varuvaan avan endrum
  SelvangaLe (all by PS). Since you reminded me SPB-MSV combo, one got a feeling that SPB was given tremendous freedom to improvise and the scope was always there, the santhams were very innovative. Here are a few from this combo that one could savour for ever.
  
  Angum indum paathai undu (avargaL)
  Ponnendrum poovendrum (sudarum sooravaLiyum)
  Anbu vanthathu ennai AaLavanthathu (?)
  Aayiram Aayiram aandin munne (dheergasumangali)
  Paadum pothu naan (netru indru NaaLai)
  Ange varuvathu Yaaro (-do-)
  Maargazhi paniyil (muthaana muthallavo)
  Enakoru Kaathali (-do-)
  ANNan oru Koyil endral (superb improvisations)
  KanaakkaaNum kaNgaL mella (agni saatchi)
  Neram Pournami Neram (Meenava naNban)
  more to follow....
  There was a song sung by MSV and LRE in "Nilave Nee Saatchi") which is particularly endearing , apart from the title song sung by PS and SPB. Could somebody enlighten me ?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Thu Feb 11 14:36:03 EST 1999
  
  Sriram,
  I stand corrected. You know it!
  
  

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