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`Pollutable' lyrics in Tamil films

Topic started by TAMIZHISAIPATRON (@ 128.227.80.32) on Wed Jul 30 20:17:08 EDT 1997.
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• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Aug 7 18:51:10 EDT 1997
  
  I don't know what thamizhisaippatron means by pollutable; I assume he means
  "vulgar" by "pollutable". Some of the worst vulgar songs came from kaNNadhAsan.
  One good example is kanban yEmAndhAn. The second charaNam is highly derogatory
  of women. Another song is, I don't know for sure if it is by kaNNadhAsan,
  yippadith thAn iruuka vENdum pombaLa. In that song the male sings
  munnAlEy nikkudhu muzhiyA muzhikkudhu
  pinnAlEy yEdhEdhop perisA irukkudhu.
  The song is, as you might have guessed, from some MGR movie. I find many of MGR's
  songs to be of cheap and vulgar nature. Please pour in your views.
  I would like to restrict this discussion to those songs which have
  pretensions of a good piece of literature but cheap and vulgar.
  Therefore I am not including any of the "songs" of, as dhinamalar calls,
  "di-maNdu".
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-5-42.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Thu Aug 7 23:10:57 EDT 1997
  
  How do you rate this? Vulgar or Virasam??
  Aaha mella nada...
  
  Padukkayyai Iraivan Virithaan
  Vannappaniththirayaal adhai maraithan
  Paruvathil aasaiyai koduthan - varum
  naanathinaal adhai thaduthaan
  
  what does this really mean??
  
  To me MGR's songs were the most obscene in TFM, followed by Sivaji.
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Fri Aug 8 00:23:45 EDT 1997
  
  Hello!! Hello!! thayavu seythu niRuththungaL. indha paguthiyai peNgkaLum padikkiraargaL. Most of the polluting lyrics have a perverted description of females. So let us not list them. It will be embarassing to the numerous female participants of this forum. ithu engE pOi mudiyum enRu theriyaadhu. mikavum appattamaana, vaarththaigaL koNda paadalkaL irukkinRana. If you start listing them out, then the page becomes polluted.
  
  So, let us refrain from mentioning the entire lyrics of the song. Mentioning the name would be more than sufficient. I would be more happy if we can stop posting responses to this query. I am sorry to say that, thamizhisaippatron, but that seems to be the only way of maintaining the cleanliness of this page.
  
  
• From: Heeheehee (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Aug 8 03:39:28 EDT 1997
  
  Pollutiona theiriyilleh? Ozone layer-ra affect pannuthe, athaan!
  
  
• From: Hema (@ 192.228.143.96) on: Fri Mar 6 01:35:19 EST 1998
  
  tamil songs lack vulgarity
  they should be more vulgar
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu May 28 17:47:21 EDT 1998
  
  Gopal, you must have an extremely conservative sensibility if you thought the lyrics from "Aaha mella nada" were vulgar. I find nothing vulgar about what Kannadhasan wrote or the crasser update of recent years, "Eduthuvacha Paalum Virichu vacha paayum venaga than poguthu".
  Maybe if as a culture and as nation we had a healthier attitude about male/female relationships then we can progress away from the need to demean women in songs.
  If done in a palatable way, poetry has the license to go anywhere. I feel that the free-spirited asexual sensibility of the true Dravidians has been censored and shoved under the mattress by the British and the Moghul influences in India.
  By the way, this is strictly a Historical observation. By no means am I kindling any nationalistic or religious fires here.
  
  
• From: akshaya (@ 202.54.31.90) on: Mon Jul 6 08:17:53 EDT 1998
  
  Padukkaiyai iraivan virithan
  
  this song is very good. Kannadasan wrote practical things in this song and nothing new that female feel bad. hence this page should be continued by one and all and i expect more contributions for this page
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Mon Jul 6 10:10:49 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  ArulArasan :
  Kamban Emanandan - This goes with the film situation, Hero sings at an arrogent female,
  he tries to bring down her ego.
  You cannot blame KD for that, KB wanted him to write a lyric with a situation, I dont see anything totally against females, My view - it is
  "Vanchapugazchi Anni" , he tells us what is happening to women in an Indian Socity.
  
  KD cannot be called vulgar, when people like GA has written "Errum potanum ,Thani paichanum Sonthamulla kanni iruntha".... This is 100% valgur...
  
  As udhaya says :poetry has the license to go anywhere, but it has not permitted "Kochai TamiZ" KD has never written in Kochai (or offlate called as Pachi) Tamil.
  Even Vali,VM has done lyric with the above rule,but at times they go out this rule.
  
  Srikanth
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: arvind (@ oxhp.com) on: Mon Jul 6 13:38:06 EDT 1998
  
  who said kannadasan has not written vulgur lyrics,
  he is sutte though
  
  what about senthazham poovil. the song is 100%
  kalapadamillatha vulgur, he also says that
  
  poovasam medai poduthamma penpola jaadai pesuthamma.
  
  and finally defends himself by saying kallam silar ullam ena yen padaithaan aandavan
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Mon Jul 6 14:37:32 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  "poovasam medai poduthamma penpola jaadai pesuthamma. "
  I am sure one needs a konar tamil urai to understand the other side meaning of these lines.
  Frankly I dont get any bad meaning out of this, Also KD's virasam has always been polite, where us others openly write things which are very obivious.
  ---when people write Bombaiyee Pani Poori ...
  stefi's graf skirt lift etc...
  Comparing to this- KDs works are great Epics.
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: peesoo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Thu Jul 9 09:58:37 EDT 1998
  
  Oh Boy! Mr arvind (@ oxhp.com). You r polluting exisiting good songs too. 'senthazham poovil' is suppose to be an excellent 'iyarkai varNanai' paadal in which he has done a 'reverse comparison' at certain places. Actually comparison is not a correct word here. Comparison is 'oppidal'. Appropriate word is 'uruvagam' and I really dont know what u call this in English. [May I say, its something close to 'assuming'?]
  
  Normally kavingars compare the beauty of a girl with 'nila, mEham, malar etc etc.' But in this particular one, KD, iyarkayai miga azhagaaha oru peNNaaga uruvaga-p-paduththiyuLLar. He doesnt compare with a girl but he assumes nature is like a girl.
  
  BTW, we can relate any word in Tamil to vulgartiy and sex. Anything. [Mr Thumilan had written in his artilce "adhiga-p-pirasangi-th-thanam' that one good word in one region becomes very vulgar/sexy one in another dialect!] May be you would have noticed that in 'Just A Minute' competitions guys will use this tactic to get into 'vulgarity' so that we can talk and talk for hours! What you have commented abt this lovely song sounds something similar to me. If u say its a perverted/polluted/vulgar song, we can find "pollution" in thamizhthaai vaazhthtu too.
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.27.248) on: Thu Jul 9 23:18:58 EDT 1998
  
  arvind is not to blame.having been fed with a lot of double meaning songs and dialogues in the eighties and the nineties by our 'diamond'' muthu,
  vali etc. people have really started probing deep into any song they hear and try to extract double meaning out of it when there is really nothing like that.
  
  i do not know who wrote the foll lines in
  'raathiriyil poothirukkum' song in thangamagan.
  is it our 'diamond' muthu?
  
  ... maanganigal thotinile thoonguthadi ange
  
  mannavanin pasi aara, maalayile parimaara....
  
  these lines get drowned in the melody and raaga of the song so u do not realise the meaning of these lines at first.
  
  another 2 lines from poonthotta kaavalkaaran.
  the lyricist has tried to describe in as decent words as possible...
  
  'sindhiya venmani sipikkul muthaachu....
  
  kavidhaithanamaana description of a biological process.
  
  
• From: peesoo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Jul 10 00:34:16 EDT 1998
  
  vijay u r very true.. there r few songs in which the lyricist has penned wonderful lines for situations which are quite "polluted" by nature.
  Eg. ennuLLe ennuLLe from vaLLi. There r some songs
  which were written very badly though situation doesnt really demand so. Eg: aeh kutti munnalaa in Indhu. Lyricist could have used this dance situation to put some funny words instead he preferred vulgar lines. 'chinna raasaavE chiththerumbu' is better example in which the lines are quite oaky.
  But 'senthaazham poovil' really doesnt fit in these categories and still people looking at it as "polluted" song has nothing to do with poet. That is what I wanted to say.
  
  Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder
  Pollution too?
  
  
• From: mannai arul (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Jul 10 06:20:02 EDT 1998
  
  Regadrding Pollution of Songs:
  To all:
  Dear friends the pollution of songs has become very worst in the last few years. The song with good poetry is in the hands of MD, Director of the movie also. People who believe in their work either MD, Song writter dont go to this cheap practices. But now days MDs like Deva who not only copy the music, to get maximum publicity to their songs go to these double meaning and vulgar songs. Specifically see deva music in Indu, latest one song Ganan Gathai meenu vangi, such a worst that you cant hear the song with your family memebrs.
  So some thing may be done from TFM group to these polluting songs.
  
  Mannai Arul
  
  
• From: mohan. (@ gw1.cat.com) on: Fri Jul 10 08:20:06 EDT 1998
  
  of what I can say as the most polluted song in recent times is the song from suriyan....the famous dance of prabhu deva...
  
  'laalaakku dol dappi maa..'
  
  some of the lines like..
  
  'kunjiyile poo poothu kai kaicha kozhudhu drachapazhame..'
  
  'konji pesi sootta kalappuvan ... sokki ponaaka gundu sattiyil gudira yeruvaan..'
  
  che..! indha paattu pesave naakku koosudhu...!
  
  more to come by.. I have just started...
  
  mohan.
  
  
• From: arvind (@ oxhp.com) on: Fri Jul 10 09:38:14 EDT 1998
  
  senthazham povil indeed has pollutable lyrics, i didnt mention that because of censor.
  
  here it goes
  
  "alangodi mele ili then kanigalai theduthu"
  
  kaadugal malaigal devan kalaigal
  
  azhagu miguntha raaja kumaari megamaga pogiraal jarigai neliyum selai kondu malaiyai mooda paarkiraal
  
  Isnt that vulgur
  
  i am an ardent fan of KD, but got to accept soemtimes
  
  
  
• From: mohan (@ gw1.cat.com) on: Fri Jul 10 11:04:54 EDT 1998
  
  This is another song by deva, sung by SPB..
  
  'maangaa maangaa rendu maangaa,
  market pogaadha gundu maangaa..'
  
  This is atrocious.. but when we watch this song on screen, we happen to miss the meanings of the lyrics by Prabhu deva's fantastic dance sequences.
  
  And it looks like this song was exclusively written for Khushboo who figures in this song as the innocent victim.
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Fri Jul 10 13:01:22 EDT 1998
  
  Arvind:
  
  I don't see anything wrong with Senthazham poovil lyrics. Just after the lines you have mentioned, the Kavignar wrote this line,
  
  PaLLam silar uLLam ena En padaiththan Andavan..
  
  As if he realized that his perfectly normal lines might be construed as vulgar by a few people.
  
  

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