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National Awards: I felt Ilayaraja should've
got the Best Music Director award for atleast
ChiraiChalai or Moga Mull (was it released during
this period) They had great music as against
Minsara Kanavu. What do you guys think?

Topic started by Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252) on Tue Jun 17 21:15:37 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

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Responses:

• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Wed Jun 18 01:05:44 EDT 1997
  
  Both the movies are last year stuff. They
  got some awards last year, but not for music.
  I Dont remember which movie got B music
  award last year (Assamee?)
  
  kumar
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Wed Jun 18 01:05:46 EDT 1997
  
  Both the movies are last year stuff. They
  got some awards last year, but not for music.
  I Dont remember which movie got B music
  award last year (Assamee?)
  
  kumar
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Wed Jun 18 05:15:06 EDT 1997
  
  Mogamul got released in 1995. (cf. http://tamicinema.com)
  
  It's definitely disappointing to note Minsara kanavu
  shd get the award, when there were better albums.
  
  Incidentally, MK was released in 1997 .
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ proxy6.cyberway.com.sg) on: Wed Jun 18 09:19:08 EDT 1997
  
  Amsalekha got the best MD award for 1995.
  SPB recd the best playback singer for this film
  ( Im not able to recall the name)
  The album is simply great with lots
  of Hindustani and Karnatic classics
  
  
  
• From: Padmanabhan Ganesan (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Wed Jun 18 10:02:11 EDT 1997
  
  Compare the movies for which Raja got national awards
  
  Sagara Sangamam (Telegu) Salangi Oli in Tamil
  Sindhu Bhairavi
  Rudra Veena (Telegu) Unnal Mudiyum Thambi in Tamil
  
  and compare it to ARRahman's awards :
  Roja (different but is it that great ?)
  Minsara Kanavu (does not even deserve to be a hit but gets a National Award)
  
  There are literally dozens of movies for which Raja should have awards but has not :
  
  16 Vayathinile (the best folk music you would hear in films)
  Nizhalgal
  Mudhal Mariyadhai
  Koyil Pura
  Nayagan
  
  ARRahman's best score to date was in Thiruda Thiruda where his effort showed in every song. Since then he has been only downhill (even though they have managed to become hits).
  
  Similarly Kamal's performance in Indhiyan. Indhiyan is a gimmicky movie - Kamal in a old man's getup. There was little or no acting involved. It was a hit but junk movie.
  Compare it to movies for which Kamal did not get awards :
  
  16 Vayathinile (Kamal's greatest performance in my opinion & also Bharathiraja's best movie)
  Gunaa
  Mahanathi
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ lerici.eng.buffalo.edu) on: Wed Jun 18 16:07:16 EDT 1997
  
  I would like to add "Kaadhal Oviyum" to the list of movies for which Ilaiyaraja deserved Best MD award. I feel no body else could have done justice to the musical album. Especially Raja brings class to the climax scene which is a song where all emotions relevant to the situation are brought out. Great work
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ bellman.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Jun 18 18:36:32 EDT 1997
  
  The movie for which Hamsaleka and SPB got awards last year is ngana yOgi panchakshara gawai. (phew I hope I spelt it correctly.) It is a kannada movie.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ bellman.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Jun 18 18:48:07 EDT 1997
  
  I agree with Rajesh. 'kaadhal Oviya'thOda kadhaanaayaganE isai thaan.
  
  Another point regarding movies for which Ilaiyaraja has awards. Two of them, Rudraveena and Sindhu Bhairavi, state clearly in the movie itself that the music is wonderful. The pre-release hype for ngana yOgi also did that. Rehman padangaLa paththi ellam sollavE vEndaam. Probably the award comittee needs to be told explicitly that the songs in a movie are "good". :)
  
  
• From: ramki (@ maine.proteq.com.sg) on: Wed Jun 18 20:34:07 EDT 1997
  
  I like to add Mouna raagam to this list. Even
  after 10 yrs of continuous exposure to these songs we are not bored of them.
  
  Talking abt life span of songs , songs by MSV or Raja has a better life time compared to ARRs songs
  which is nothing but like fast food.
  
  How many of us are still not tired with Roja or
  pudhiya mugam songs?
  Whereas I know many who still relish the sweetness
  of songs from Annakili/payanangal mudivadhillai/kovil pura etc etc etc
  
  
• From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-0-39.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Thu Jun 19 03:17:57 EDT 1997
  
  Correct!! As regards life span of songs, ARR's songs are just myopic. Less said about ARR's music is better. There are songs that Raaja has churned out and they have made indelible impressions in our minds. To name a few, "Neethane Enthan Pon Vasantham" from Ninaivellam Nithya and "Andhi Mazhai " from Raaja Parvai. There is kind of undying sophistication in these songs that keep them going forever.
  He has given songs packed in movies and again the list is endless. To name a few, Kadalorakkavidhaigal, Karagaattakkaran, Mouna Raagam, Keladi Kanmani, Avathaaram, Agni Natchathiram, Punnagai Mannan, etc., etc., And Mouna Raagam is my pick, always.
  Awards ?? Awards in India dont deserve Raaja's music!!!
  
  
• From: Pagalavan Krishnamoorthy (@ mb.cisco.com) on: Thu Jun 19 12:07:30 EDT 1997
  
  For Gopal Prasad :
  
  "oru vaasagam sonnaalum thiruvaasagam", I feel the
  same about your last line.
  
  
• From: Ravi Chandran (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Mon Jun 23 12:48:20 EDT 1997
  
  The problem with national MD award they consider only the songs from the movies that
  are nominated for some other category (like
  Best picture,direction etc). If movies are nominated only for the songs alone Rajaa would
  have got more than a dozen by now. The best
  example is "ninaivellam nitya'.
  
  
• From: Guru Prasad (@ 128.248.40.176) on: Sat Aug 9 02:29:51 EDT 1997
  
  Great Comment Mr.Gopal Prasad!!!
  
  Now just see our list of movies that IR should have got an award.
  
  Annakili
  Sigappu Rojakkal
  16 Vayathinile
  Ninaivellam Nithya
  Moodu Pani
  Moonram pirai
  Alaigal oyvathillai
  Mullum Malaram
  Jonni
  Mouna Ragam
  Nayagan
  Anjali
  Thalapathi
  Idhayathai Thirudathe
  Apoorva Sagotharargal
  Avatharan
  Thevar Magan
  Nadodi Thendral
  Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal
  Vaidehi Kathirundhal
  Amman Kovil kizhakkale
  Guna
  Mahanadhi
  
  and the list is endless.
  
  
  
  
• From: Nithin Sreedevan (@ 147.126.90.46) on: Fri Oct 3 15:41:53 EDT 1997
  
  Listen, Guys: All of you. I think I have found my United States soul mates. Anyone who has expressed such empathy towards Raja (seen in the afore listed responses) and the misgivings towards the numerous national awards he has missed, is someone who really is a connoissuer of music and also is the person who is enlightened on the prevailing downslide in musical tastes. So, may I join you all?
  
  I am going to pour my heart out only a little for now and request that we guys talk about
  doing something Rajaesque in the years to come.
  
  Why Raja missed awards was in my opinion, that he was too busy with his work. I have watched him work at Prasad studios. I have seen his typical day. I am told he hardly relates hardly anything to people of power, politics and so on.
  
  Awards would have been a distraction for him. So he courted very less of these people. You know, to get these awards how many goddamn members of the committee and administration you would have been familiar with.
  
  In a way, I think it represents the political power Rahman pulls these days. He has plenty of time to be with influential people of all walks of life, today. He is hardly anywhere as prolific as Raja used to be for nearly 15 years. This Rahman produces, how many movies? 5 0r 7 per annum. Raja worked 17 hours a day for 15 years and averaged nearly 40 movies per year. He even holds a record for doing 55 movies in one year in two or three consecutive years!!!
  
  So, we are glad raja is without those awards. Rahman has reached his level of incompetence in his Roja itself (just try singing 'Chinna chinna Asai' without the backings. Ok try another two times. how does it sound?, Man, I tell you, there is a limit)
  
  So, awards are a good way of telling people to quit and stop producing noise!!!
  
  There are several movies of Raja which a lot of people are not aware of. There are exexmplary songs that were played mostly by Radio Srilanka in the early 80's and late 70's. That was the end of the golden period of Raja, MSV and our many other great composers.
  
  Anyway, Long Live Raja.
  
  
  
  
• From: nagarajan (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Oct 17 14:44:09 EDT 1997
  
  Guys, you have missed lot of movies in the list.
  Even for the following movies, he should have
  got awards.
  
  Panner Pushpangal
  Alaigal Oaivadhillai
  Tendralae Ennai Thodu
  Katrinilae Varum geedham
  Poondhalir
  Johny
  Marupadium
  Karumbuvill
  Niram marada pookkal
  Udhirippookkal
  Nenjatthai Killadhey
  Moondram Pirai
  Metti
  Nandu
  Poottadha Poottukkal
  Geethanjali (telugu)
  Sivappu rojakkal (for BGM and songs)
  Ilamai Kalangal
  
  Boy, Im tired. let someone continue this list....
  
  
• From: jayaraj (@ wwwproxy.otis.com) on: Tue Nov 11 01:41:57 EST 1997
  
  if you ask me ARR is the best ...
  IR did his part for the past 15 years ..so give others
  a chance..ok
  don't be so fanatic....ok
  
  
• From: mkumaresan (@ 161.142.42.166) on: Wed Dec 3 01:50:04 EST 1997
  
  now days ARR is the great eventhough have some ne MD were doing very well in their line such as (Vidyasagar,sirpi, s.a.rajkumar & karthikraja). I think that people should appreciate ARR perfomance with extremely change every thing in this industry( sound,playback siner,quality)
  
  
• From: mkumaresan (@ 161.142.42.166) on: Wed Dec 3 01:50:14 EST 1997
  
  now days ARR is the great eventhough have some ne MD were doing very well in their line such as (Vidyasagar,sirpi, s.a.rajkumar & karthikraja). I think that people should appreciate ARR perfomance with extremely change every thing in this industry( sound,playback singer,quality)
  
  
• From: M.KUMARESAN(UUM) (@ 161.142.42.166) on: Wed Dec 3 01:56:19 EST 1997
  
  now days ARR is the great eventhough have some new MD(music director) were doing very well in their line such as (Vidyasagar,sirpi,
  s.a.rajkumar & karthikraja). I think that people should appreciate ARR perfomance with extremely changing every thing
  in this industry( sound,playback singer,quality). I hope peoples taste is chang ready so please let do in their way without compare them to the past.
  
  
• From: cellv (@ wmu-55-126.tm.net.my) on: Mon Jan 12 11:26:51 EST 1998
  
  helo evryone...well i just read the above comments and most of you guys think illaya raja should win right? but being an indian "outside" India myself..i think its time for indian music to have international flavour..and i think rahman is doing his job graetly..for you information..even other races in my country adores Rahman's songs..they even have cover versions in their language! but no doubt ilaya raja is the maestro but new ideas and visions should be let free to flow..agree?
  
  
• From: ethayarajan & ganesh (@ brk-25-122.tm.net.my) on: Tue Jun 16 03:11:18 EDT 1998
  
  we are indians from malaysia and we strongly support our friend cellv. To our opinion the trend always changes. At this point, we have to learn to accept rahman is the new germ of all MD of India. Compared to other MD he's doing much better. He is not copy righting other MD tune {doing but not obvious} like Deva. For example; Kenny G's[kallamelam kathal valga = kathal kottai], lisa stanfield [vedan =vedan], micheal jackson [en manathai = kallori vaasal]. He like to stereotype the whole song. So rahman deserve some awards for bringing some changes in the film industry as raja did previously.This the fact!!!. We have accept this.
  
  

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