Athanda ethanda ennada Deva eppadi
potirukiye paatu!!
Deva hits rock bottom
with Arunachalam. Can he come out of the
Annamalai mode? Rajini's movies had good
songs only when Raja scored the music.
ARR doesn' t suit superstar's style. Raja's music
even for the silliest movie of Rajini has been
great.
Like Shiva == what a movie ugh!
Raja could've afforded a less than mediocre attempt for this uninspiring movie. But look at what he came up with "Adi Vaanmathi..!"
Topic started by Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252) on Thu Jun 19 20:31:23 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
Responses:
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148)
on: Thu Jun 19 22:54:13 EDT 1997
The pity is: Arunachalam is on top all tamil music charts.
MSV, Ilayaraja music-ai rasaitha tamil
makkal rasanai ippadi poganumaa?
- From: Rajesh (@ lerici.eng.buffalo.edu)
on: Mon Jun 23 15:14:16 EDT 1997
I feel most of the people who listen to Arunachaalam do it because of Rajni. Its a Rajni song rather than a Deva song. Cant believe that Athaanda Ethaanda Arunachalam Naan thanda song can top the charts because of the tune. I think calling a song a hit because of casette sales is not correct. There are many factors for the high sales. Like for arunachalam it is rajni factor more than the tunes.
- From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-3-163.atl.bellsouth.net)
on: Mon Jun 23 16:46:45 EDT 1997
Very simple. In the Ilay-Rajini combine, we had the quality factor from Ilay and the "superstar" factor from Rajini working together. And I am not reminded of one song that was below Ilay's capabilities when he tuned for Rajini (even for the worst movie!!)The best for tamil moviedom (and for Rajini) has come from the Ilay-Rajini team and its over!!
Adhanda Idhanda is a mixture of Deva's own songs of the past. He calls it a success formula!! If Ilay were to go by such success formula, he wouldnt have gone beyond Senthazham Poovil from Mullum Malarum!!
I can hardly control myself!! Rajini has to decide his MDs like other technicians,'cause, the tamil moviedom has seen the best of him in the past!!
I am a real fan of Rajini and a friend of mine is a diehard one. We couldnt just stand the Adhanda stuff. Further, I dont understand what for Rajini strikes this kind of compromise when it comes to music. Thats it! There are music directors, but there is only one Ilayaraaja!! For, you dont call a commonplace a phenomenon for nothing!!
- From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-3-163.atl.bellsouth.net)
on: Mon Jun 23 16:56:01 EDT 1997
Sorry! Read : you dont call a commonplace a phenomenon!!
- From: adivaanga_virumbalai (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Tue Jun 24 06:08:40 EDT 1997
This is a response to IlaiyaRaaja-Rajini combination related quality factor. The following is the list of DOKKU movies (may be one(max 2)song
would have been a hit that time !!) made by this combination: (after completing this list, I realized that it is close to one-fifth of Rajini's
movies - IVLO PADATHUKKU RAJA KAALAI VAARI VITACHU)
Alaavudeenum Arpudha Vilakkum
Anbukku Naan Adimai
Anbulla Rajinikanth
Annai Oru Aalayam
Bhairavi
Dharmadurai
Ellam Un Kairaasi
Garjanai
Gayatri
Guru Shisyan
Kaali
Kai kodukkum Kai
Kazhugu
Maapillai
Maaveeran
Manidhan
Mannan
Mr. Bharath
Murattu Kaalai
Naan Adimai Illai
Naan Mahaan Alla
Naan Potta Savaal
Naan Sigappu Manithan
Naattukkoru Nallavan
Oorkkavalan
Paandiyan
Paayum Puli
Panakkaaran
Raja Chinna Roja
Ranga
Sadhurangam
Sri Ragavendra
Thaai Veedu
Thudikkum Karangal
Un Kannil Neer Vazhinthaal
Uzhaippali
Velaikkaaran
Viduthalai
- From: Kumar (@ 148.5.30.79)
on: Tue Jun 24 10:23:05 EDT 1997
Many of the movies has really good songs.
In fact many of the movies had only
music as a respectable factor.
About 7 movies not illaya raja
at all. (Some of then have many lift off
songs like viduthalai, thaiveedu etc). Please
dont mistake them for raja's calibre.
- From: Kumar (@ 148.5.30.79)
on: Tue Jun 24 10:23:15 EDT 1997
Many of the movies has really good songs.
In fact many of the movies had only
music as a respectable factor.
About 7 movies not illaya raja
at all. (Some of then have many lift off
songs like viduthalai, thaiveedu etc). Please
dont mistake them for raja's calibre.
- From: Rajesh (@ lerici.eng.buffalo.edu)
on: Tue Jun 24 12:20:31 EDT 1997
Like Kumar said many movies are not by Raja. What made you think that Raja Chinna Roja was composed by Raja. Chandrabose tunes thought as Rajas tunes- difficult to digest this.
- From: Padmanabhan Ganesan (@ igw2.merck.com)
on: Tue Jun 24 13:19:58 EDT 1997
Non Ilaiyaraja movies in the above list
Naattukkoru Nallavan
Raja Chinna Roja
Viduthalai
Thudikkum Karangal
Thai Veedu
Naan Adimal Illai
Manithan
Ilaiyaraja movies in the above list which had great songs
Panakkaran
Velaikkaran
Murattuk Kalai
Anbukku Naan Adimai
Maaveeran (the songs were the only good thing in this movie)
Un Kannil Neer Vazhindhal
Maappillai
Also Thanikattu Raja
A\
- From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-3-39.atl.bellsouth.net)
on: Tue Jun 24 14:02:54 EDT 1997
Mr Adivaanga Virumbaadha Deva priyan Sathyakumar avargale, Simmangalin garjanaikku naduvil eliyin visumbalaa?? Anekama veenaga proven facts pathi inga pesoromnu ninaikiren!!
Pls understand!! Its not that all Ilay-Rajini combines were big hits or great music stuff// Its that Rajini got good music when Ilay was with him!!Thats my contention!! Success or failure of a movie cannot be decided by a few factors like music or acting!! The bottom line is even in the baddest of movies, there were good songs from Ilay!! And Ilay is not a Demi-God to produce or follow winning/success formulae, for that matter. He is just one who stands from the rest of the crowd thanks to his musical genius!! Hope you know that he has given music, good music to many one time producers in tamil moviedom, without reservations. (In fact, hero dominationai oramkatti, music kooda movie oda vidhiyai decide pannum appideennu proove pannadhu Ilay!! Illatti thethu pallu mohannoda actingai pesaama pathukkittu irukka mudiyumaa?? Mohannukku yevvalavu nalla pattukkal koduthar Ilay? Innumerable!! Ilay vandhappuram thane, BGM adhu idhunnu pesarom!!Veru endha MDs naan kurai koora villai. I have great admiration for Visva-Ramamurthy combine!!)
Unga listla neraya padangal Ilayoda padam illai.
Kuttiya oru aaivu nadathalam.
Dharmadurai has the best songs like maasi maasum, sandhaikku vandha kili, etc., Gayathri had the critics applauding Ilay for excellent BGM,Mannan has two good songs, ammayendru and Rajaathi rajan (great song!!) But for these songs in that movie, I dont think someone can sit and see that movie for two long hours!! Sri Ragavendravil arumayana pattu kidaichadu - Aadal Kalaye Dhevan thandhadu- by Yesudoss!! Sollikitte pogalam at the cost of TFM Pages.
Indha padamellam Ilay paattala nalla odichu appidinnu solla vandheenga, correct?? Naanga purinjikkuvom!! Vaana Sathya,Vitru, namakkedhukku vambu??(Joke, no offense meant!!)
- From: Ravi Chandran (@ eagle.vapower.com)
on: Tue Jun 24 15:53:57 EDT 1997
A few more non Raaja - Rajni movies from the
list. Ranga - Sankar-Ganesh;
Sadhurangam - VKumar (has an excellent song; Madhanothsavam - SPB&VaniJ
Also, Thudikkum Karangal - MD SPB,
Thai Veedu - MD Bappi Lahari
Ravi Chandran
- From: 1000m-adi-vaangiya-aboorva-deva-fan (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Wed Jun 25 09:26:58 EDT 1997
Yov! neer payangara killAdi-ngArum.
I just wanted to VERUPETHIfy IRaaja's fan for
the following reasons:
- Look at all the IR related discussions, some
10 hard-core fans of IR are keep writing-n-writing
about the greatness of IR (which is true) and at the
same time putting down other MDs esp. ARR and Deva
(which is NOT fair) who have been giving more
movies/songs than IR in the recent years.
The HC fans of IR are not able to accept
the fact that IR no more has the enthu to make
good TFM songs.
- When a song comes from a MD, without any bias,
one should appreciate it, if it is good.
"athanda ithanda" is a typical Rajni-intro-song
which is lively, touches the front benchers
(which I am), has all the required "damAl-dumIl"
beats...and fits the situation perfectly.
For the similar situation, for example IR has
given "PothuvAga emmanasu thangam". I don't find
any difference in quality between those
two songs. Ofcourse, IR has made the differnce,
for similar situtaion, in "Rakkamma Kaiyath thattu".
But most of Rajni-intro-songs of IR are in the same
level as Deva's (that is the purpose of the Dokku list).
- Not all the IR songs are great. He has, like
every MD, the range from MOST_DOKKU_TO_ALL_TIME_GREATS.
Definitely he used to be the best of his times and
one-of-the-all-time-best MD in TFM (but not anymore).
- I disagree with all the points mentioned in the
topic started by Gokul :
1.Rajni movies had good songs only when
IR is the MD - NOT TRUE (list)
2. IR music for silliest Rajni movie
has been grest - NOT TRUE (list)
3. ARR dosn't suite Rajni style
(personal opinion - NOT TRUE)
4. comments about DEVA - Deva priyanai rathak
kanneer vadika vaithathu - (sirikAthir Oy!)
of the 40 movies of list, I can see that atleast
8 of them are NOT by IR. Still with 30-32 Rajni
movies IR didn't do a good job (I have already
mentioned before the list that 1-2 songs may be
good in these movies) - IR standard-ku ithu athigamAna
dokku padaangal thAn illaiyA !
Inthap padangal oduchO illaiyO - aanAl
IR tharam illai ivatril.
"athAnda ithanda RAAJAVIN tharam ithanda"
(only in the mentioned list)
"athaanda ithanda en pallai odaingadaa"-nu
IR HC fans varuvatharkul odirEn.
- From: Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252)
on: Wed Jun 25 10:25:15 EDT 1997
How can you compare Poduvaga En Manasu
Thangam with Athanda Ethanda?
The problem wirth Deva is he never had any original songs. If he is not copying the style of IR he is stealing from Rahman. Rajni's Arunachalam had Didi Didi. Chee!!
The kind of songs that are
present in recent Rajni's movies are nothing to
talk about. Annamalai started the downtrend.
Look at the musical quality in Valli. Even .
the worst movies of Rajni had atleast 2 good songs. Can you say that about Deva?
ARR's tunes are kind of too peppy for Super Star.
The point here we berate the later music directors only because most of the songs are
lifted from IR or others. They lack originality
bigtime.
Whatever you say Aiyya 1000 odai vangiya aboorva devasigamani IlaiyaRaja is the best
that has happened to thamizh cinema.
- From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-2-156.atl.bellsouth.net)
on: Wed Jun 25 11:48:45 EDT 1997
Yeh Ayya Sammi!! HardCore enna venndi kedakku ? Ilay kuppaya music potta padamum irukku!! Pala varushama oru padatha pathi peela vitukine irundhaanga! Padathoda peyar "Pattu Vadhiyar" by TPGajendran! Padamum kuppai Pattum dabul kuppai! Yesu wasted by Raaja totally! Nichayama ennala oru paattai kooda rasikka mudiayala (cosidering Ilays standards!!)indha madhiri kuppai irukkathan seiyum! Ilay enna Themadhura Thenral Deva maadhiri
success formula vechaa paatu podarar? Yedho saami kodutha varam paatu podaraar. Avlothan! Ellam abirami abirami samachaaramya!Definitely Deva is a music director, but Ilay is a genius composerya!
Iruvadhu varushathukku appuram Ilay oru periya composer apidinnu pesaradhu, Ilayoda ketta neram!!
Nee podhum Sathya, Ilayoda peru kadal thaandathu!!!!
Sathya Devavoda pattu kettirukken! Yellam ketta madhiriye irukke enna pannalam!?Standards set pannitaarpa Ilay!
- From: Gokul (@ 204.76.129.252)
on: Wed Jun 25 16:19:21 EDT 1997
Sooper response gopal!
- From: Satish Subramanian (@ cs-line11.cs.umn.edu)
on: Wed Jun 25 21:21:33 EDT 1997
Here is a piece from an interview with A R Rahman, where he talks about Rajni film's
music.
-------
Q: Were you satisfied with your score for the Rajnikant movie "Muthu"?
ARR: Hmmm.. I couldn't do more because of
the limitation of time. The cassette of Muthu is doing very well though. But I know that the music of Muthu didn't boost the image of
Rajnikant.. it was more of a film score than a
personality score. Deva's music for Rajni's
earlier film, "Baasha", seemed to work better
in the context.
-----
- From: unmai vilambi (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Thu Jun 26 02:25:04 EDT 1997
From: Deva pAdalgaliyum rasika-koodiya TFM fan:
To: IR HC fans.
athAvathu enna solla varugirEn-nA:
IR is great.
IR is the greatest.
IR overall Quality >>>>>>>>>> (much much
greater than) Deva's
IR also had mediacre songs.
IR's mediacre songs = Deva's ArunAchalam songs.
(why IR HC fans have problem accepting this ??)
personal opinion:
I enjoyed Annamalai songs.
"Deva never had original songs" - biased opinion
"Didi Didi"-na ennanu puriyalai.
- From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8)
on: Wed Jul 16 04:46:59 EDT 1997
Mr.Bones has a point. He is fed up of 7 or 8 people talking about the raagadhEvan. So let me confine my points to aruNaachalam.
'adhaaNda idhaaNda' is undoubtedly an enjoyable song. It is for a rajini rasikan. If you say that the songs are monotonous, then my question is ' Aren't Rajini movies monotonous themselves'?
We have to accept that Rajini movies should be made that way and songs should also be that way. Deva is not talented enough to take a risk and compose a different song which will please the front-bencher (which includes me!!).
But, the other songs of the movie are not repeatedly hearable. 'maaththaadu maaththaadu', 'alli alli' and 'singam onRu'.
But the worst of all is the 'dialogue' 'spoken' by Hariharan and Chitra which is claimed as a song - nagumO. Deva saar!! Please tell me. ARR tunes copy adikkaariinga. sari. Should you use the same singer too? If ARR uses Hariharan for 'vidukathaiyaa' in Muthu, Deva uses him in 'nagumO' . Another example is 'telephOne maNipOl' and 'kaadhalaa'
- From: Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-0-118.atl.bellsouth.net)
on: Wed Jul 16 11:32:46 EDT 1997
Guys, using Hariharan is a fad now. His voice in Konjum manjal (pronunciation, I mean) in Ullasam is just unbearable and the "thaathare, paathare" sort of playback in the background has spoiled the song.
Back to Arunachalam, for a guy like Rajini (I am a theevira rasikan of Sooperstarrr) who depends on shtyle, and various components other than acting,(hey! he was a good actor!) songs, music in general has been standardised by our beloved Mottai (Isaigyani)Not Deva, even Deva's Deva cannot do anything in future. (Andha Aandavane vandha kooda inime onnum seya mudiyaathu!!!Idhu eppadi irukku? Yeh!!)As poet Harindranaath Chatopadhyaaya said in his poem enigma "Its bent and it never will".
Hope Rajini never settles for Deva in future!
- From: Dev Satchithanadam (@ j59.bkj23.jaring.my)
on: Mon Dec 15 03:40:27 EST 1997
Naan oru malaysian of ceylon tamil descent and I find this chat subject really out of this world. To find people discuss the subject of tamil song with such a passion , let alone to have such intimate knowledge of the composers and their apparent ups & downs is amazing. Please keep up your spirits no matter how irrelevant your opinins seem ! Umathu Thondu Maapherum Thondu !!!
- From: Rangaprabhu P (@ cbe_d18.pppmad.vsnl.net.in)
on: Fri Jan 16 23:56:03 EST 1998
DEva's subsequent releases after Arunachalam have been ultra ridiculous and straight lif-offs. Its a pity Rajni is not working with Raja as his latest releases Raman Abdullah and Kadhalukku Mariyadhai have been chartbusting and right absolutely fantastic. Hope they will join again.
- From: Jayadas Kandiah (@ rose.singnet.com.sg)
on: Tue Feb 10 09:20:25 EST 1998
I feel that a good song is made up of credible lyrics and score. Lacking quality in one, the song cannot hope to please everyone. I feel the the lyrics for the song might have put you off more than the score.
In Deva's defense, I think he has had wonderful success in films like Annamalai and Aasai.
- From: Ragavendran (@ 202.54.12.101)
on: Wed Apr 15 07:36:31 EDT 1998
Dear Deva Friends,
I read all your wordings and I laughed for a long time. Because, How can you argue that Deva is a Music Director. He is not a Original MD. He is copying the tunes of Raja. For example, you hear the song "Thamirabharani Aaru..." from the film "Solaiyamma" (I think). That tune was the copy of the song "Maanin Iru Kangal Konda...." from the film "Maapillai". Like this I can tell more about Deva in Back Ground Music section also. Can Deva withstand for 15 years in the music field like Raja? Can Deva give long live melodies like "Senthoorapoove....", "Ponvanam Panneer Thoovudhu..." and etc., etc.? I'll accept Deva as a Music Director when he gives that song. He copied "Punnagai Mannan" Violin beat in his film "Baasha". Raja will never copy from anyone. That's raja.
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