Topic started by Karthik (@ 164.164.128.13) on Thu Feb 8 07:26:45 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
IR has, in an interview in the latest Kumudam (also covered in the front page with his snap), said that 'He has wasted 25 years of his life in film music'.
I dont know how others look at it, but I see it as a very harsh statement of total disloyalty. Its tamil film music that has given IR all the attention and praise he is receiving now. If he's a genius in composing WC, that, in any way doesnt affect anybody in TN. What affects the common man in TN is how good IR has composed in his tamil films.
IMHO, it was a statement totally unwarranted and shows utter disrespect on IR's part towards his craft.
Karthik
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- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 12:05:12 EST 2001
KK,
Can you tell the world what is incorrect in Enavale song ?
my simple understanding - Film music is not bound by a ragam or talam, it is a music based on song situation..things change based on what is being shot...by the director..
Take ragangal 16 from thili mullu ---- can some one pinpoint a raga for that score by msv, even the so called great "subudu" cannot. Still it is great song.
Subudu was angry with unni singing for movies, subudu thinks he owns carnatic music.., so he trashed everone who took unni away from classical music.
I bet if subudu has commented a little bad of "ir" he would have more enemies here.
Rajag, I request you not to waste your time...
- From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48)
on: Fri Feb 16 12:19:29 EST 2001
Guys chill down
As I told earlier leave MR Subbudu alone
he is a old man and in his dictionay music goes by a particular way.
I told u earlier commerical music cannot be based on a single ragam then it will be a different one calling itself a semi classical or classical
IR has given plenty of it wonder how come people like subbudu have never listen to Kovil Pura what an extraordinary composition sticking to pure classical but when u come to other songs stuff
told earlier you have to have chords otherswise songs sound doesnt sound richer!!
Any music minded person will tell you if you start to put chords for a classical song then you will limited to one or utmost two
- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 12:38:43 EST 2001
chords for a classical song then you will limited to one or utmost two
i am sorry to tell you this uv simply you are wrong. (NOM)
take sankarabaranam ( using c as the key)
i can use Cmajor, cmaj7th, d minor, minor7th, e minor, F maj, g maj, i can go on.
take hamsadwani
c maj, maj7th, g maj (inversions will be nice)
e min 7th...
there are chords, just need to think properly. :)
arr does, so did ir and msv.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48)
on: Fri Feb 16 12:54:04 EST 2001
ok Mr wise guy
how may chords changes do you think u can do
in pure classical compositions?
do you simply because they exists can it be used
in fact Carnatic stands apart from other music
for the fact its the only indian classical music that sound pleasant and richer to ears without any chords
- From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48)
on: Fri Feb 16 12:56:26 EST 2001
take revathi ragam for example how many chords change can you make in that?
I am talking in context of composing only pure classical cinesong!! and with chords
my point is you cant have too many chords change here
- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 13:45:04 EST 2001
halo uv....i already told No offense ment.
ok here were go, revathi... taking c as the key
...you can use
c sus 4th , g m7th 5,
c7th sus, c# minor 7th, bflat minor added 9th,
c dim,
listen to my fusion in my mp3 site, i have used all this. I am a wise guy. thanks.
- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 13:48:37 EST 2001
oops the last one was g dim not C dim, sorry for the typo.
- From: Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20)
on: Fri Feb 16 13:55:11 EST 2001
Hi Comment:
What's your MP3 Site?
Responsible_Critic
- From: Layman (@ 209.187.151.146)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:06:48 EST 2001
Responsible_Critic:
What's your MP3 Site?
Does everyone have to have our own MP3 sites to discuss about music here? or do we have to have musical knowledge?
- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:11:16 EST 2001
comment,
I realy dont know whats wrong with ennavale song. But I disliked and IMHO felt it as a lifeless melody and made up stuff from day one. May be my feeling was because of what subbudu has to say about it.
My point is ARR is cashing on making a carnatic song, or a song that sounds carnatic ... such thats its gets accepted easily. So its natural being crticised by a carnatic critic. He attemped jazz in iruvar, if a jazz critic, critizes it thats natural. But we have only carnatic critics in TN.
You cant just say, ARR makes something, as long as it sounds good keep listening.
I dont think subbudu is angry about someone singing in TFM, he opposes only singing bad songs.
It would nice if he tries find good songs in TFM and try to help us appreciate it, but he seems to good only in negative comments.
- From: ayyO paththikkichE (@ 207.82.165.100)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:24:33 EST 2001
rajaG, ippO santhOsham thAnE ? :)
- From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:29:02 EST 2001
paththiks:
enakku edhukkuppaa oor vambu? naa kansas la krishna, rama, GOVINDA nu bagavaan naamaththa sollindu kaalaththa kazhichchindirukkEn. umm......moththaththila nalladhukku kaalam illa ippO.
Narayana! Narayana!
- From: tes (@ 216.52.68.3)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:29:38 EST 2001
can someone suggest a good online video rental store in the US please ?
- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 14:50:03 EST 2001
kk :)
you have a taste,i have a taste, you think yours is superior, be it. I dont want fight on this...
Layman, sorry since UV posting was totally misguiding people (laymen), I wanted to clarify , was forced to give the chords. Sorry about for that.
long time ago Subudu gave a negative comment in the same kumudum on charamathi conversion by ir in mari mari ninne....hope people remember this.
What rajag says it 100% true. I requested him to stay away but I failed to do so .
I will do from now on.
Res_cric: sorry, you can email me at studio1234@hotmail.com for more info.
Thanks.
- From: IamWrong.. (@ 209.187.151.146)
on: Fri Feb 16 15:34:11 EST 2001
comment:
I didn't find anything wrong in your posting, keep posting technical stuff. Though I don't understand it, many people would benefit from your postings.
I posted because I misread Responsible_critic's message. I read in hurry and thought that it was targeted to UV. Sorry. inime enakku edhukkuppaa oor vambu? naa krishna, rama, GOVINDA nu bagavaan naamaththa sollindu kaalaththa kazhichchida vendiyathuthaan....umm..Thanks RajaG
- From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48)
on: Fri Feb 16 15:52:47 EST 2001
comment, I beg to differ with you.
My point is if you start putting chords for a pure carnatic classical songs there wont be much variation.How many chords change you can do for that song which shouldnt be different from the main ragam of the song ?
but the notes of chords wont be exactly related to the raga swarams thats my whole point.
For example take anjali anjali song by IR beautiful chords variation/progression how can you do this to some carnatic classical song tell me will the chords(set of notes) stick to the same ragam ? I am pretty sure chords would be little different.
BTW I would like to listen to ur compositions if you have given so many variations to that revathy ragam,see composing a song based on revathi is totaly different from a song fully on revathi
And defintively its not my intention to confuse paraman.
Nobody can claim authority on a vast subject like music certainly i won't.
I also have made few composition,
Mr. Naveen is the only person who have reviewed it so far.
I am open and willing to exchange ideas and learn as well
- From: IsaiAdimai (@ 63.114.212.254)
on: Fri Feb 16 16:32:59 EST 2001
UV,
U never know, how many variations can a musician give to a particular raaga. For Instance, any carnatic music singer, can sing a particular raaga for hours. IR is so good in grahabedha, and shruthibedha, and so he can always use it to do his things. Actually, IR is so reputed for making his songs stick to carnatic music raagas. I don't want to say, IR doesn't fully follows raagas. But the whole idea is , its not the raaga's fault of being a little inflexible. Raaga's a virtual representations of feelings. feelings are mostly associated in a particular fashion and so are raagas. If something doesn't match in raaga's terminology , it doesn't matches in real feelings also.
- From: comment (@ 63.225.173.137)
on: Fri Feb 16 16:57:09 EST 2001
UV, i have done couple of songs (instrumental arrangements) using revathi,
one of them is called 'cultural shock' recorded 2 years ago. Currently it is for sale,
meaning I have disabled free downloads,
since you seem to be intereted I will enable the free download by this evening.
Basically why do say we cannot place chords for ragas, basic stuff that makes a chord and a raga is what ? notes......
do you know any 7th chord is the raga "mahathi" created by balamurali, used by msv in athisaya ragam. post your email, i will send you my url.
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Fri Feb 16 17:55:50 EST 2001
Friends (UV,comment and others)
I learn a lot from you guys. The technical stuffs are mindboggling (as I donno much about that). Let me clear this doubt...if I like some specific song (same with others)...is it much to do with chord variations. At times some great instrumental nourished songs don't make any impact among people. I know this is similar to a million dollar question! Which do you guys think is the secret of success. Don't ask what is a success...I solely mean successful songs are the songs that make great impact and often mumbled by public.
- From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.159.71)
on: Fri Feb 16 18:08:23 EST 2001
srik, uv, isaiadimai, et. al: i also feel that it would be very difficult to "devise" a good chord progression for some of the (most of the?!) ragams? playing some chords is not difficult, but getting a good progression seems to be, if one wanted to restrict only to the notes used in the ragam. especially difficult will be the vivadhi ragams. am i correct or wrong?
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Fri Feb 16 18:20:34 EST 2001
I am just posting the great similarity between IR's How to Name it and Bombay theme music of ARR...ARR got inspired from IR??
Compare the starting portion of both music.
For IR's version click on Study for violin on this page
http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&film=How+To+Name+It&exact=1
For ARR's bombay theme music listen from here:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/PrimetimeAve/arrbombay/
No need to put this one here. but I promised earlier and hence I am doing it. Enjoy
- From: kiru (@ 64.166.84.205)
on: Sat Feb 17 11:27:34 EST 2001
I dont think there is a copy. Just seems to be few notes in the beginning. But the idea of the 'arrangement' flute score leading to a full-fledged violin score would have been inspired. Then again IR gives it a WCM whereas ARR gives it a POP treatment.
BTW, Fliflo, Is this your trick to show that the Bombay theme music does not compare well against an IR composition ?
You IR fanatic :)
- From: vin (@ 24.4.252.76)
on: Sat Feb 17 13:21:53 EST 2001
Haven't heard this IR track completely before.
But except the flute music the entire track seems to me to be inspired by Beethoven's masterpiece, the 6th symphony I guess. I have the CD and I try to give the details soon.
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.111)
on: Sat Feb 17 13:22:04 EST 2001
kiru, there is an obvious match in the starting portion. ARR has slightly changed the pace. Imagine IR's music at a slower pace. That's the reason I wrote inspired. But I felt it is more a lift than just inspired. TFM people also can share this information.
Take this more an information than going against anybody. kiru, i am IR fanatic,but not because of typing this info.
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Sat Feb 17 13:56:27 EST 2001
giving a careful attention, according to the pace the beats also vary....
IR uses 123.123.123. kind and ARR uses 1.23.1.23.kind.
- From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48)
on: Wed Feb 21 14:00:55 EST 2001
Comment
Sorry got busy lately.
Anyway I am interested in your chord progression for revathy.
If you can send the url,I will also send you my composition samples
- From: comment (@ 63.226.195.173)
on: Wed Feb 21 16:16:19 EST 2001
uv, please email me at studio1234@hotmail.com
- From: Kans (@ )
on: Sat Apr 26 07:16:42 EDT 2003
Methinks we have wasted 25 golden years listening to IR's songs.
- From: Prabhu (@ 203.124.130.219)
on: Sat Apr 26 07:30:56 EDT 2003
It's a natural temptation to hide one's name, adopt a nick and post rubbish.
But one should really have scaled Mount Desperation to hide the IP too and then post :-)
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