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Rock Music in TFM???

Topic started by cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on Mon Jul 14 15:44:07 EDT 1997.
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• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Mon Jul 14 15:46:07 EDT 1997
  
  Western music(Pop) seems to be influencing the Tamil Film Music nowadays. I feel that our songs has lost the Carnatic grace and elegance and drifting now towards a different line of music.
  In the West, people after hearing to Pop, Country, Rock, Metal Rock, Heavy Metal Rock, Industrial Rock are slowly turning to classical music. In Industrial Rock, it seems that Hindustani music is used. The commonly used instrument was "clarinet". I did see some TV ads in US and was shocked to see that it had an Indian influence. For guys in US, if you saw the Ad for "Aurora" sports car, you will surely agree with this.
  
  Is there any likelihood of Rock Music being used in Tamil Films? I simply dislike Rock because it is just noise and cacaphony. People who disagree are welcome to hit an argument.
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 204.76.131.140) on: Mon Jul 14 20:23:55 EDT 1997
  
  CP
  
  To label Rock Music as noise and cacaphony
  is not correct. If you are talking about punk rock
  then I would agree to a certain extent. Rock 'n
  Roll music originally meant for dance music
  has evolved into more meaningfull music forms
  over the years. There are excellent Rock music
  numbers which are truly spell binding to listen.
  If you are interested I can suggest you some
  for starters
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Tue Jul 15 00:29:13 EDT 1997
  
  In the movie innisai mazhai, Raja used
  a different sound, is ita kind of rock?.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Tue Jul 15 03:41:57 EDT 1997
  
  I would classify the song "megam kottattum"(enakkul oruvan)
  under rock.
  
  One cannot blindly say rock is noise/cacaphony. Maybe songs
  "rocker" than hard rock can go into this category. It's
  subjective, though.
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 204.76.131.140) on: Tue Jul 15 13:54:46 EDT 1997
  
  I would say Rahman's BGM in Thiruda Thiruda
  was quite rockish. IR has not exploited this
  form of music. His Pottu Vaitha Kadhal Thittam
  in Singara Velan has a good guitar riff. I dont
  think Innisai Mazhai is rockish. He but used
  the traditional Rock'NRoll form in Rum Bum Bum
  in MMKRajan.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.27.250) on: Thu Aug 13 18:45:08 EDT 1998
  
  The "Raja Rajathirajan Indha" from Agni* is based on percussion only. Can that be classified as rock or should it be grouped under the "Heavy Metal "?
  
  Pop & Rock lovers -please clarify
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2.sch.prodigy.net) on: Thu Aug 13 20:39:26 EDT 1998
  
  Rock - Megam kotatum aatam undu can be classified as a rock.
  Kanaum Kanum kolai adithal - Hard rock
  
  Does Any one knows what style pudhu cheri kacheri..in singaara velan.
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ karthi4.globalcenter.net) on: Thu Aug 13 23:49:07 EDT 1998
  
  This may be a digression. In the early 90s, I heard a song sung by Jayachandhran with great guitar licks, "Un sirippil un poo vizhiyil oru badhilaich chollava", lyrics could have been by VM (back when he was basically erased out of TFM). It may very well have been a non-TFM
  album. Anybody else heard it?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Aug 14 04:21:26 EDT 1998
  
  Murali,
  Raja rajadhirajan indha raja... cud NOT be classified under "heavy metal".
  Heavy metal is a particular chord in the electric guitar and if it plays a prominent role in the song then that song can be classified under heavy metal.(this was told by a guitarist friend of mine)But "Raja..." has no other instruments than variety of percussions.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks14d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Fri Aug 14 17:51:38 EDT 1998
  
  Shankar, I guess you are talking about Power Chords. I do not know the exact concept behind them (never found them very attractive !), but on the guitar they seem to be mostly regular chords, played only on the bottom 3 strings. They sound jarring inspite of beng regular chords and I believe special chords are used very often.
  
  Srikanth: Rock beats seem to fit Pudhu Cheri Katcheri very well, but I don't remember the exact rythm. Would you classify Anjali (IR) under Rock 'n Roll ?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ ) on: Fri Apr 7 19:56:35 EDT 2000
  
  Some songs that haven't been mentioned:
  
  IR
  -"Thoalin Maelae Baaram Illae" from Ninaivellaam Nithya. Good use of synthesizer and percussions along with whistles and flutes.
  -"Aasai Ingae" from Poovizhi Vaasal. Excellent group harmony with horns and percussions. That IR chose MV for this song is intriguing, although MV gave an unusually mellow effort to suit the song.
  -"Angel" from "Kavarimaan" sung entirely in English by SPB. A fabulous song with top notch acoustic guitars just strumming you into a gentle sway (it puts to shame George Michael's "Faith"). Would qualify as a pop/rock ballad.
  -"Kaadhal Neethaanaa" from TIME. A great dance number that could make the R&B (Rhythm & Blues) charts in the West.
  
  ARR
  -"Musthafaa Musthafaa" from Kaadhal Desam is a siren of a rock song stepping into hard rock. Probably the best rock guitar I've heard in TFM.
  -"Ennai Kaanavillayae" also from Kaadhal Desam is another landmark rock number in TFM by virtue of its tag team vocals, cascading drums and surging pace.
  -"Chinna Chinna Aasai" from Roja, the song that started it all easily fits in the pop/rock classification. Thumping base setting up the rocking keyboards.
  -"Kaadhal Sadugudugudu" from Alaipaayuthae. The bubbling bass riffs that punctuate line endings remind me of pure Soul/R&B. I'm glad ARR came back to this style after a long time.
  -"Then Maerkku Paruvak Kaatru" from Karuththamma is a race between drums and keyboards. The winner is, the listener.
  
  Deva
  Much to the chagrin of many, I got to mention my man.
  -"Kaadhali Kaadhali" from Avvai Shanmugi. I can't get over this song. Stolen or not, the guitar riffs are definitely perfect for this song. The tune itself has nicely spaced ups and downs allowing Hariharan to give one of his best renditions. I'm told this tune is inspired by "Pin Veethi Pasanga". I'll take this over anything the Back Street Boys have done any day.
  -"Nagumoa" from Arunaachalam. One of my favorite rhythm numbers in TFM in the recent past. There's a short, sharp electronic wrinkle of a sound that marks every pallavi phrase's ending that is just addicting to me. Plus, Deva has done a great job of arranging the many rhythm instruments, highlighting a different one after each charanam stanza ends. Especially, the thavil part is great as it sounds like it's stepping closer and closer to the ear.
  
  Yuvan Shankar Raaja
  -"CBI Engae" from "Poovellaam KAettuppaar" a Thamizh rape by Sukvinder Singh would probably sound like a great rock number for those who don't understand Thamizh. YSR's, resounding YES to the question, "Nalladhoar veenai seidhu adhai nalam kedap puzhudhiyil erivadhundoa?". After saying all that, I must say this song is a wildly innovative, completely original TFM rock song.
  
  Agosh
  -"Tholaivinilae Vaanam" from Koadeeswaran. An ambitious number that got lost in the movie's failure. This song traverses many categories (rock among them) and easily ranks as one of the best composed songs of the past few years.
  
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.157) on: Sat Apr 8 01:41:15 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya!
  Some observations (all IMHO):
  
  thOzhin mElE : much african like and cannot come under the `rock' category
  
  mustafA, mustafA and chinna chinna Asai: Both `reggae' numbers, not pure rock
  
  I would recommend `vAnengum thanga viNmeenkaL' of moondRam piRai listed under `rock' category (much like the popular MJ rock number `beat it' in arrangements)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 11:45:36 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks for the nice remindings.
  Especially Udhaya.
  
  Most of these songs have mixed styles.
  
  Chinna Chinna asai, is a neat mixture
  of Reggae rhythms and bass with south
  Indian folk and Viswanthan Ramamoorthy
  style flute-trios.
  
  Mustafa starts with a Heavy metal solo
  and jumps into reggae as a surprise.
  
  Puducheri katcheri begins with an
  outstanding reggae intro beginning and later moves to march, samba,
  latin styles. Another similar reggae
  from Raja is April Mayilae intro and pallavi.
  Anupallavi (pattampoochigal gets back to
  rocklike flavor).
  
  Many Rahman songs are clear Ambient Music -
  Pudhu vellai mazhai, with minimalist repetitive
  loops. Synth sounds and effects (notice the
  echo on the snare drum and claps) crafted
  in sound so well that they force you to hear
  their silence! Thenmerku is a clever merger
  of such an electronic piece with dance beat.
  
  In fact, in the west, most pop artistes stick to one
  style and do not mix and merge styles.
  Styles also have strong cultural preferences-
  so artists dont touch other styles that
  easily.
  Industrial rock and progressive rock
  artists do experiment.
  Our MDs learn a much wider variety of things
  and when they experiment, they do
  genre-crossovers that are difficult to
  classify. That in itself is genius!
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 12:04:21 EDT 2000
  
  Engaeyum eppodhum, Ilamai idho idho,
  ennadi meenatchi, have rock feel. All of these
  use Afro rythms in the charanam and drums in the
  pallavi. These go well with Kamal's Elvis
  impressions.
  
  Here are some oldies from MSV:
  
  Chandrababu did some very good rock and roll
  adaptations in 'rock-rock-rock rock and roll'
  (eena meena teeka?). Kanmani pappa, manithan
  piranthathu.
  
  Sivaranjani Rock has been
  done by MSV in 'Enna vegam nillu baama',
  if you sing the pallavi and anupallavi you
  can see the inspiration for Kannum Kannum
  Kollaiadithal. (This DOES NOT mean, I am
  demeaning Rahman's creativity and genius in that
  song).
  Ennai theriyuma naan sirithu palagi - has
  clear Rock&Roll and Rock inspirations.
  As is 'Nalvazhthu naan solluven'.
  
  ROck and roll - malarendra karuvandu, aadavarellam
  aada varalam.
  
  Rock vocal harmonies have been tried well in
  Rukkumaniyae papparapaarapara. The song has
  a rock feel. Innovative use of electric
  guitar and voice modulation effects (please
  once again?).
  
  Rock swing has been used in
  Nenjirikkum engalukku which could have
  inspired Raja to Vaanamenna maelirikku, Kaalam kaalamaga vaazhum.
  
  
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Mon Apr 10 12:34:33 EDT 2000
  
  IR did some techno reck stuff in thathom thalaangu thathom in vetri vizha, which was a big hit.
  other rockish numbers of his are neththu oruththara from puthuppaattu (atrocious lyrics), and unaiththaan niththam niththam from mappillai (again, horrible varigal).
  
  one of his earliest attempts at rock was in annai or aalayam, in nandavanthil vantha kuyile, with spb's full-throated singing.
  
  

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