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Shruthi loss

Topic started by MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on Fri Aug 11 01:01:05 EDT 2000.
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Listen to "engengO sellum en eNNangaL" carefully. When SPB says "ponvaNNangaL" for the first time, he goes off shruthi. Similar is the case with "saami kitta cholli vechchu". The first time SPB says "saami" he is off shruthi.

I invite DFers to identify shruthi losses in songs and comment.

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Responses:

• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.43.17) on: Fri Aug 11 08:21:21 EDT 2000
  
  MS listen to 'koyla' song from 'appu'. Hariharan loses shruthi,raagam,thaaLam and everything.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Aug 11 17:23:20 EDT 2000
  
  hear the song "agni" by kjy in bharathi.
  Shuruthi loses in many places
  Next song bharadha samudaiyam, struggles totally.
  shurti goes on and of here and there.
  He is becoming old.
  
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Fri Aug 11 18:33:41 EDT 2000
  
  Fan,
  Yep. Nella song "bharath samuthayam".
  Thanudya 'Pazhutha' kuralil KJY made
  it a varunthable song.;-)
  
  If someone agrees with me, I would
  also like to suggest KJY's song
  in KN also. His voice is defientely
  showing signs of age.
  
  By the way,
  Fan--to me the "kelada" song in
  Bahrathy also sounded very old. I am
  not very sure about Rajkumar
  Bharathy's age. Am i right? or
  my ears decieving me?
  
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ 64.196.135.51) on: Fri Aug 11 20:18:01 EDT 2000
  
  In the beginning of 'Pakaadhe Pakaadhe' (Gentleman) song, when Minmini sings the pallavi second time, she goes a little sharp when she sings 'thazhaadhe thazhaadhe dhaavaniya thazhaadhe'. Then carries the right tune at 'Kizhaadhe Kizhaadhe'. I don't know whether it is a style or she has gone out of tune.
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: SL (@ 198.95.226.224) on: Fri Aug 11 21:08:28 EDT 2000
  
  TMS in karpaam maanamaam kaNNagiyaam.......sounded very tired and consequently out of tune at several points. KJY in sangath thamizh kaviyE....when he sings the line oru puram naan irukka....he falls short just like in 'athisaya nadamidum azhagiya thirumagaLO'. A similar shruthi loss in case of Vani Jayaram in 'maNikka maamaNi maalayil' from thennangeetru....when she sings the line 'puthiya vaazhvu pirakkum..'. MS, I do not remember SPB going off shruthi in 'engengO..', I thought it was only SJ , esp. when she starts a charanam with the sustaining note. SPB was off-key in 'Sangeetha jaathi mullai', a rendition that he would like to forget in a hurry.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Fri Aug 11 21:58:48 EDT 2000
  
  SL:
  
  I did not hear a loss of shruthi on SJ's part, but SPB only. 'll play it to you sometime.
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 64.196.135.67) on: Fri Aug 11 22:19:20 EDT 2000
  
  'Adikkudhu Kuzhiru' song is an ideal example for this thread... 'Shruthi Loss' from the beginning till the end of the song :)
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.160.72.44) on: Fri Aug 11 22:58:45 EDT 2000
  
  in fact it is "Loss" from the beginning till the end of the song :)
  
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.2.109) on: Fri Aug 11 23:05:04 EDT 2000
  
  MS:
  
  On a casual note.. how can you call originals as
  having shruthi losses? Is it possible that the
  composers intentionally put such 'shruthi losses'
  in songs for some reason? I am saying this
  especially because some examples are being given
  that shruthi losses are there throughout a song!
  I don't think an MD would have slept during the
  recording. :-)))
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Fri Aug 11 23:23:54 EDT 2000
  
  All bhavatharini songs?;)) I cannot forgive her for spoiling 'alai meedhu vilayadum' from Kaadhal Kavidhai.
  
  
• From: naaradhar (@ 192.122.134.137) on: Sat Aug 12 00:02:40 EDT 2000
  
  vijay, daughter-ai mattum kurai solgireergale? ;)
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 130.63.219.49) on: Sat Aug 12 00:44:33 EDT 2000
  
  sk
  Is this prove of IR sleeping through his daughter's song recordings:--))
  
  
• From: KSS (@ 205.188.197.173) on: Sat Aug 12 00:46:32 EDT 2000
  
  Naveen,
  
  I don't think 'Adikkudhu Kuliru' belongs in this thread. To lose shruthi, you must first have it.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sat Aug 12 01:15:56 EDT 2000
  
  KSS;))
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 64.196.134.231) on: Sat Aug 12 07:47:25 EDT 2000
  
  fan, KSS :)
  
  here are few things I observed:
  
  some of the accidental chords make the melody note sound like shruthi loss. Acutally the singer would have taken the right note. It is something similar to 'Optical Illusion'. In 'Oorusanam' song, it sounds like Janaki takes a DemiSemitone!! inbetween a minor and a major 3rd note. 'Oorusanam' is minor followed by a submediant (6th note in the scale) major chord then 'thoon' sounds some note inbetween minor and major!. and 'giru' -
  'CHI' is major. (if you begin the song in G Minor, CHI is G Major).
  that 'thoon' note really touched me.
  
  Naveen
  
  

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