Topic started by Manisegara_bhakthan (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on Tue Jan 27 15:47:28 EST 1998.
All times in EDT/EST +9:30/10:30 for IST.
Responses:
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Tue Jan 27 15:51:41 EST 1998
Manisegaran, Neenga TFMkku kidaittha oru pokkisham. Andha Sudarsanam pagele sonna maadiri naane oru thread aarambitthu vitten. Porukka mudiyaleenga!
Mallaigaip Poo Jaadhi Rojaa
Mullaip Poo Venumaa
Thottaalum Kai Manakkum Poovu
Kattaana Rojap Poovu
Kadhambam Venumaa
Rojaa Malar Venumaa Nalla
Jadhi Malar Venumaa
endru oru paattu. City Lightsoda theme music eeyadicchan kaapi adicchu eduttha paattunga. Idhaip paatthi konjam solla mudiyumaa ?
- From: pp_rasigan (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Wed Jan 28 00:34:23 EST 1998
RV:
Thanks for reminding this song to me.
pazaya cylon radiovil kEttu rasitha pAttu ithu.
anthak kAla sirungAra voiceil Jamunarani or MS Rajeswari
pAdiyathunu ninaikirEn.
Manisekaran:
In the SC Krishnan listingiL, "porter kandhan"
music by Viswanathan Ramamoorthy endru solli
iruntheergaL - athan director/producer/actors/
matra pAdalgaL patri solla mudiyumA ?
entha varusham vandhichu ??
- From: Manisegaran (@ wmu-53-60.tm.net.my)
on: Wed Jan 28 10:12:11 EST 1998
DEAR RV, very kind of you to have opened up a seperate thread for me. Unfortunately I am not able to oblige your request to manage this thread. Please read the reasons in the Sudarsanam thread. I stress that I am not in any way an authority in Cine News. Therinthathu kai mannalavu mattumthaan. Vilyattu Vibareetham Aagivittathu- Kinaru Vetta Bootham Purappattuvittathu. I really enjoyed being with all of you. Yaathum Oorey Yaavarum Kelir!
- From: Sathya (@ ppp-1.ts-2.hp.idt.net)
on: Wed Jan 28 11:20:35 EST 1998
Manisekaran
ungaL vElaikaLukkidaiyil engaLukku pala suvaiyaana seythikaLai thanthathaRku nanRi.
RV kEtta paadal Raji en kanmani enRa padaththil, R.Balasarsvathi paadiyathu enbathu mattum enakku theriyum. anthap padam paRRiya maRRa thagavalkaLai ungaLukku nEramirukkumpOthu sollungaL.
TFM DF il pazaiya paadalkaL paRRiya posting Ethaavathu onRu irunthu koNduthaan irukkum. angu, engaLai neengaL santhikkalaam.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Wed Jan 28 21:04:13 EST 1998
Manisegaran:
Thappa edukkaadheenga. Indha maadiri edutthu vittadhum konjam unarcchi vasap pattu vitten. Ungalaudaiya anumadhi illaamal indha thread aarambitthadharkkaga I apologize.
Ravi, Indha thread perai maatra edhavadhu vazhi undaa ?
- From: EmAtRam (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Thu Jan 29 00:43:49 EST 1998
thalaivar ippadi sonnathum, enakku oru pAttu
thONuthu:
Mani(sekar) Osai kEttu ezunthu
nenjil Asai kOdi sumanthu
ingu Odi vantha pozuthu....
maNik kanakkA "maNi maNi"yA ezuthum ManiSekar
ma(n)niththu - thread peyarai mAtriyavudan pathil
sollungaL.
Ravi:
as RV suggested, can you change the name
to something like "puththam puthu pazasugaL"
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Thu Jan 29 17:39:08 EST 1998
Ravi,
Thanks for changing the name of this thread.
- From: try2start (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Thu Jan 29 23:33:12 EST 1998
Since the topic is changed, let us talk about
some NEW news about OLD songs. I was reading
an old Hindu article about Visu-Naushad Connection.
How MSV & Naushad wrote letters to each other
vimarsithufying each others' movies. If only we
could get hold of it - arumaiyA irukkum. One
genious writing what he liked to other -
enna ezuthi iruppAnga ?? Can somebody guess!!
- From: Manisegaran (@ 202.188.91.241)
on: Sat Jan 31 12:12:40 EST 1998
RV as the topic of this thread had changes I have answered queries raised here in Sudarsanam thread. Please go there.
I am aware that immediately after the release of Pazhum Pazhamum Naushad heard the songs, especially "Naan Pesa Ninaippethellam" and wrote letter to MSV acknowledging him as a genious MD from the south. When Seergali Govindarajan sang in a stage show in Bombay, Naushad and Lata Mangeshkar came to the back of the stage and enquired the meaning of the song "Devan Kovil Maniyosai" as he was impressed with both the msuic and the voce of Seergaliyar. He also appreciated MSV for the fine music in the show. Regards.
- From: cool (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Sun Feb 1 04:58:02 EST 1998
When "Pazum pazamum" was Remade in Hindi as "SAATHI"
Nausahd insisted that VR should do the music - but
due to the producer's pressure - he agreed todo it
with one condition that he will NOT make any
change to "nAn pEsa ninaipathellAm".
Have anybody heard SAATHI songs ?? Are they similar to PP ??
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-tk04.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Feb 1 10:04:07 EST 1998
Bones:
I watched Saathi two decades back. The one duet I remember is mErA pyAr.... with a subdued humming in the end. That song has the same soulfulness nAn pEsa ninaippadhellAm has, but not the identical tune. May be I'm talking about the wrong song..?
- From: manisekaran (@ bat-47-93.tm.net.my)
on: Sun Feb 1 10:10:20 EST 1998
I have the LP record of Saathi. Saathi is a production of Venus Pictures (Madras)starred by Rajendra Kumar and Vaijanthimala. There is no similarity with PP. But Sathi could only boast of one good song( in my taste) and it is "Mere Pyar Bhi Tu Hai (both happy and sad)by Mukesh and Suman Kalyanpur. Lyrics by Majrooh. Is this depicting Naan Pesa Ninaippathellam? I dont know Hindi.
- From: half_boiled (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Mon Feb 2 06:18:23 EST 1998
Looks like Saathi didn't have a song with the tune of
"nAn pEsa ninaipathellAm". May be I didn't read
the article "Visu-Naushad Connection" properly -
let me check that again.
Manisekaran:
Do you the movie for the song:
"pAdinAr kavinjar pAdinAr...yAnai endrAl thantham illai"
Was it tuned for Nichaya thAmboolam and used for
some other movie ????
Do you know of any songs which was made for one movie
and for reason it got used in some other movie ??
- From: Sathya (@ ppp-18.ts-1.hp.idt.net)
on: Mon Feb 2 09:15:49 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
G.Ramanathan enRathum, avar paadiya paadal onRu ninaivukku varukirathu.
ejamaan perra selvamE en chinna ejamaanE
inthap paadal idam perra padam "Alli perra pillai".anthap padaththukku MD K.V. Mahadevan enRu neengaL innoru threadil solliyirukkiReergaL. appadiyaanaal, KVM musicil G.Ramanathan paadinaaraa?
ungaL thakaval kalanjiyaththilirunthu sollungal.
- From: Manisegaran (@ bat-46-41.tm.net.my)
on: Mon Feb 2 09:23:32 EST 1998
Arai Vekkattu Bones Avarkaley
Padinar Kavignar Paadinar was written by Kannadasan and recorded for a college scene in Vikram Productions-Nichaya Thamboolam but was used in Thendral Veesum-both by MSV/TKR. There are a some songs recorded for a particular film, but later used in other films.Anyway such info seldom bet released. Mayakkum Maalai Pozhuthey Nee Po Po by Vinthan was written for Koondukkili, but used in Gulebagavali-both are RR films of TR Rajakumari and Rammanna.Nerungi Nerungi Pazhagum Pothu was written by Suratha and filmed for an unnamed movie but was used in Netru Inru Naalai. Naananri Yaar Varuvar was written for Mahadevi, but used in Malayitta Mangai as MGR wanted a faster beat for Mahadevi En Manathu Onruthaan was recorded for Avan Oru Sarithiram, but used in Permaikkuriyaval(but the record bears the name of Avan Oru Sarithiram)).This sub-topic itself is pulling me down like a quicksand. Let me adress the original topic and give you the lyrics of Paadinaar in full.
M=Oho Paadinar Kavignar Paadinaar
Maanenral Pulli Illai
Mayilendral Thogai Illai
Thenendrar Meenenraar Therinthu Sonnara?
F=Oho Padinaar Kavignar Paadinaar
Kaalai Enraal Kombumillai
Yaanai Enraal Thanthamillai
Singamenraar Veeranenraar Therinthu Sonnaara?
M=Kanniyarai Panchavarna Kiligal Enraarey-Aha
Kanniyargal Kovai Pazham Thinbathillaiye?
F=Aadavari Puligalenru Paadivaitharey-Puli
Aadu Thedi Kaadu Thedi Odavillaiye?
M=Anna Nadai Nadakkavillai!
F=Kannirunthum Kaanavillai!
M=Kanniyarku Penmayillai!
F=Sonnavarku Moolayillai!
M=Achamillai Naanamillai Adakkamillaiye-Indru
Aankalukkum Penkalukkum Bethamillaiye!
F=Pen Kulathai Keli Sithal Veeramillaiye-Ithil
Penkalukkum Ungalukkum Bethamillaiye!
M=Vetri Kollum Aanmaiyandro?
F=Petredukkum Penmaiyandro?
M=Aanmaiyindri Penmayillai!
F=Penmaiyinri Aanmayillai!
BOTH=Maanenraal Paarvai Sonnar
Mayilenraal Saayal Sonnar
Thenenraal Inimai Sonnar
Therinthu Kolvomey!
PORTER KANTHAN-an UPDATE
(ungalukkaga I had to go into my store room to refer to my old diaries)
Main Actors-
MK Ratha
MK MUstapha
K.Duraisamy
T.Balasubramaniam
SV Subbiah
Min Actresses
G.Varalatchumy( Your Oorukai)
Muthulatchumy
R.Lalitha
Story-Sengaiyah
Dialogue-SAandilyan,MS Kannan,
Songs-A.Maruthakazi,Ambigapathy, and Azha Valliappa(Kuzhanthai Kavignar)
Playback-Gandasala,Thirucy LOganathan, SC Krishnana,VN Sundaram,Jikki and K.Rani
Direction-K.Vembu
Production-V.L.Narasu
Studio-Narasu Studios
- From: karuvAttu_thendral (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Tue Feb 3 08:18:03 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
AhA! OhO! bEsh bEsh!
neenga tharum thagavalgaL arumai
(especially with karuvAdu - solli nJabagap paduthiteenga - nightellAm karuvAttuk kanavu
smellOda!!!)
intha "thendral veesum" romba nALA, mooku nunila
irunthathu - njAbagam varAmal - thanks
for saving my mooku.
"pAdinAr kavinjar pAdinAr" is a nicely written/tuned teasing song!!!
ennakku pidiththa pAdal. (inniku fullA "muNu muNu"thEn)
"thendral veesum" also has another melodius song by PBS (or AMR !!) ???
Can you veesify your visiri on "thendral veesum" -
so that your visirigaL can get some thendral.
-----
Thanks for visiting your store room for porter kandhan.
I wish I can zap (like in the STARTREK movies) into your store room
and viLAsify both cinesong info collection & ooru-vadugaL.
-----
In "Creativity of MSV" today Navaratna Raja
(sooper name! inniku muthuraj nAlaiku pavaLarAj)
has mentioned that the reason for Viswnathan-Ramamoorthy split was
because of TKR did the tunes for Karnan.
He has thrown some interesting light. Karnan songs
stand apart even from other VR movies.
It has been a known fact that MSV did almost all
the tune composing and TKR helped him with polishing and orchestration.
Since Karnan music/tunes are in a much higher level, I have a feeling
that TKR might have really contributed something
more than the usual.
But I have the doubts that as Navaratna Raja said, if all the songs
are tuned by TKR - then we must have seen much better music in the 20+ movies he did after split.
Do you know the reasons why VR split ??
Or do you have some theory ??
- From: Satish (@ caesar.cs.umn.edu)
on: Tue Feb 3 11:08:43 EST 1998
Bones,
Regarding "Saathi" and "Paalum Pazhamum". "Saathi" is indeed a remake of "Paalum Pazhmum", but the songs are different.
The producers did give Naushad the soundtrack of "Paalum Pazhamum" so that he can use them in the Hindi version. But when Naushad heard the Tamil songs he was mesmerized. He immediately sent a note to MSV which said "I can not copy this Divine music!" And he never did.
The songs of "Saathi" were popular. In addition to "mera pyaar bhi tu hai" (Mukesh, Suman), there is "husn-e-jaana idhar aa" (Mukesh) and "yeh kaun aaya" (Lata).
- From: jeans (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Mon Feb 9 01:27:05 EST 1998
Satish:
Thanks for your "puthu" news about oldies.
Those days MDs had respect for each others work
and they appreciated them - no politics - healthy
competition...unlike these days!!!
Yesterday in SUN TV I was watching "Pattukku pAttu" by the great Cylon Radio pugaz ABDUL HAMEED.
This PP was conducted in Germany..one lady sang the song:
kaNNA karumai niRak kaNNa..unnaik kAnAtha
After that the Abdul Hameed gave a puthu info about
that song. Everyone thinks that this song was composed by R.Sudharsanam
(who was the MD for "nAnum oru peN") but it was
done by R.Sekar who is none other than the father
of "Isaip Puyal" ARR.
ada! ippathAn theriyuthu ARRin JEANS ennanu!!
- From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-53-30.tm.net.my)
on: Tue Feb 10 09:42:17 EST 1998
KARUVATTU BONES:
All the songs of Karnan songs were composed by Kannadasan and MSV in Bangalore within a week's time. But the entire background music, especially violin track was beautifully provided by TKR, who is a "Violin Medhai". The great contribution of TKR was the violin works and BGM. Even before Karnan, slight "pugaichal" was already going on between MSV and TKR, but the eruption came about in Banthulu's Aayirathil Oruvan, especially when the song "Naanamo Innum Naanamo"was in the making process. Both MSV and TKR are to be blamed, alomg with a third party. I wish not go into details in this thread as it may tantamount to character assassination of these two talented musicians. TFM ADMIN is aware of this background. If you could give me your Email Address I shall give you the details.
But let me tell you about the significance of "Aayirathil Oruvan". Bantulu was never an MGR unit man. He was always with Sivaji Ganeson-Muthal Thethi,Veera Pandiya Katta Bomman,Kappalotiya Thamizhan, Bale Pandiya, Karnan,Muradan Muthu etc. After incurring great loss in Karnan and Veerapandiya Katta Bomman, Bantulu was making Muradan Muthu as the 100th film of Sivaji Ganeson to be released on Deepavali of 1964, so as to ensure Box-Office collection. But Sivaji was more inclined towards completing APN's Navarathiri as the 100th movie as there are 9 roles to give significance. Despite repeated appealsby Bantulu, Sivaji went on and completed Navarathiri as his 100th film. Bantulu was dissappointed to see Muradan Muthu coming out later, after Deepavali as the 101st film. After the release of Muradan Muthu, on the persuation of some friends, Bantulu crossed over and booked MGR and Jayalalitha for Aayirathil Oruvan. MGR gave the greatest cooperation to make this film a great hit, partly to break up the Sivaji Unit(unavoidable Cine Politics).Vaali had composed songs for the film, but MGR was not satisfied with a song by Vali for a particular situation. At this time MGR and Kannadasan had "ladai" and were not in talking terms. But the despaerate MGR forgot the differences, and made several calls to track down Kannadasan. Finally Kannadasan was put on line with MGR. MGR explained his desperation for a song for a particular situation. Kannadasan too forgot the difference and within minutes arrived in the studio. MGR explained the situation, and within a few seconds the pallavi "Odum Megangaley Oru Sol Keliro" was composed. MGR was so taken up that he requested Kannadasan to compose the balance of the songs like "Atho Antha Paravai Pole Vaazha Vendum" and "Naanamo". Aayirathil Oruvan brought Kannadasan and Bantulu into MGR's fold. The same film saw the separation of MSV and TKR on account of different weaknesses of both.
- From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tj06.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Feb 10 23:33:22 EST 1998
Bones, Kanchana, Manisegaran, RV:
Maasaru pOnnae varuga
Vizhi puramadhu irutta
Eeasari sangae varuga
Maadhavan thangaal varuga
Mani radham adhil ulava
Vaasalil ingae varuga
KOla mugamum
Kuru nagaiyum
Kulir nilavena
Neela vizhiyum
Pirai mudhalum????
Vilangidum ena
neeliena sooliena
Tamizh magal thodum??
Indha paadal Devar Magan padathil varugirathu this song seems to be a puttham pudhu pazhasu, I typed this song with great difficulty, neither, can I understand the meaning of all the lines, the casette says that the kavingyar is Vaali, any idea whether this song is a lift from an old one. Just Curious. The tune by IR for this song ofcourse is just lilting.
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224)
on: Wed Feb 11 20:41:45 EST 1998
Enna ithu Bhaskar....!
Paattin varigal ippadi varanum..
maasaru ponne varuga
thiripuramathai eriththa
eesanin pange varuga..
: )
- From: Bhaskar (@ 205.147.245.41)
on: Thu Feb 12 11:38:17 EST 1998
Rajaraman:
EnnamaO enakku indha paadal sariyaavae kaetkkamataengudhu, puriyavum mataengudhu :-))
Tune mattum miga nandraaga ulladhu. Yaaravadhu explain seidhaal nanraaga irukkum.
- From: RV (@ 1cust95.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Fri Feb 13 01:23:40 EST 1998
Enakkum varigal sariyaga ninaivillai. Idhu yedhavadhu pazhaya alladhu ilakkiyatthilirudhu inspire aana paataa endrum theriyadhu.
Enakku ninaivullapadi;
Maasaru ponne varuga - Thiripuramadahi Erittha
Eesanin pange varuga
Maadhavan thangaal varuga - Mani radhaminil ulava
Vaasalil Inge Varuga
Kola Mugamum Kuru Nagaiyum - Kulir Nilavenna
Neela Vizhiyum Pirai Nudhalum
....
Notes:
Easanin Pangu - Reference to Ardha Naareeswaran.
Maadhavan Thangaal - Parvathi is the sister of Vishnu. Remember Kallazhagar urchavam in Madurai ?
Nudhal - Nettri
- From: dimbukdu (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Fri Feb 13 07:32:08 EST 1998
Bhaskar:
pAttu sariyA kEtkAtti - specs (kaNNAdi)ai sariyA
adjust paNNi pOdunga - nAllA kEtkum &%#@$&!@#^&
RV has pretty much explained the whole thing.
It is just praising the woman deal.
Manisekaran:
is "maganE kEL" is by KR. Ramasamy.
Do you have any info about it.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Fri Feb 13 15:24:46 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
Neengal vandhal oru thani kalai katti vidigiradhu.
Anaivarukkum:
Oru pazhaiya arumaiyana AMR paattu:
Thendral urangiya podhum
Thingal urangiya podhum
Kangal urangidumaa - Kaadhal
Kangal urangidumaa - Kaadhal
Kangal urangidumaa
Indha paattai patri yedhaavadhu gnaabagam irukkiradhaa ?
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Fri Feb 13 21:27:18 EST 1998
RV:
Enna indha padu popular paadal patri ippadi
kEttutteenga? It is from Petra Maganai Vitra Annai;
MDs: MSV/TKR; Lyrics: Pattukkottai K. The starting
music is a wonderful piece. A beautiful melody.
AMR & PS azhagaaga paadiya paadal.
It's one of those rare songs by MSV/TKR-AMR combo.
You can find the full lyrics at PPP.
- From: RV (@ 1cust122.max18.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Sat Feb 14 00:54:50 EST 1998
Aha!
Sathiya Keerthi:
Nandri! Ore confusion; about whether this song is from "Petra Maganai Vitra Annai" or "Thai Magalukku Kattiya Thali".
- From: RV (@ 1cust117.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Sat Feb 14 08:35:46 EST 1998
A few more questions;
Veyyirketra Nizhalundu
Veesum Thendral Kaatrundu
Kaiyil Kamban Kaviundu
Kalasam Niraya Madhuvundu
Idhu Kavimani Desika Vinayakam Pillai ezhudhiadhu endru ninaikkiren. Idhu yedhavadhu padatthil idam petru irukkiradha alladhu thanip paadalaa ? Paartthal yedho Kalil Gibran kavidaiyai Thamizh-il translate seidhadhu polirukkiradhu. Pallikkoodatthil padittha paadalaa alladhu TFM paadalaa endru theriya villai. Aanaal paadik kettirukkiren.
Thalai Vaari Poocchoodi Unnai - Paada
Saalaikku Po Endru Sonnaal Un Annai
Siru vayadhil radiovil ketta gnaabagam. "Theeraadha Vilayaattup Pillai" mettil amindha paadal. Thanip paadala alladhu AIR special-a alladhu TFM paadalaa ?
Kaani Nilam Vendum endru CSJ kuralil oru Bharathiyaar paattu TFM-il undu. Endha padam, matra vivarangal yedhaavadhu theriyumaa ?
- From: RV (@ 1cust117.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Sat Feb 14 08:54:10 EST 1998
I was going thro my rather chaotic cassette collection and I came across three more AMR songs viz.
1. Pazhagum Thamizhe Paarthiban Magane
2. Idhaya Vaanil Udhaya Nilave
and
3. Anbe Naan Inge Nee Ange Vaazhndhaal Inbam Kaanbadhu Enge
I know the first two are from Parthiban Kanavu. Who did the music for this ? Sudarsanam ? Who wrote the lyrics ?
The third one is from a movie starring Sivaji and Jamuna. More details, anyone ?
- From: RV (@ 1cust117.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Sat Feb 14 08:56:30 EST 1998
And one more AMR song;
Kaiyum Kaiyum Kalandhida Vaa Jollyagave
Kadhal Kadhai Pesida Vaa Geliyaagave
I think this is from Kadan Vaangi Kalyanam. At least, in Telugu, there is a song with the same tune in Appu Chesi Pappu Koodu which approximately means "Kadan Vaangi Kalyanam"
Can anyone confirm this ? Provide more details ?
- From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.59)
on: Sat Feb 14 21:39:22 EST 1998
RV
Parthiban kanavu was by Veda.
- From: Sathya (@ ppp-13.ts-1.hp.idt.net)
on: Sun Feb 15 09:55:37 EST 1998
RV:
Have you listened to the LP version of P.M.V.Annai song "thenRal uRangiya pOthum"?
The song starts with P.S.Veerappa's one line dialogue.
"nirmala, veeran engE nirmala? veeran engE?"
"thalai vaari poochUtti unnai
paadasaalaikku pO enRu sonnaaL un annai unnai"
This is Bharthidasan's song. peN kalvi enRa nOkkaththil B.Dasan inthap paadalai ezhuthinaar. aanaal perum sarchchai nadanthathu. peN urimaikku kural koduththavargaL "thalai vaari, poo chUttuvathuthaanaa peNNin vElai " enRellaam pEsinaargaL.
Sirkazi Govindarajan thanippaadalkaLil uLLathu.
inthap paadal idam peRRa padam
Rangon radha (Sivaji, Banumathi, M.N.Rajam, NSK,SSR,Rajasulochana). Sivaji romba pramaathamaaka nadiththa padam;hero+villain role.
R.Radhavil P.Banumathi paadum paadal.
MD:T.R.Pappa.
"veyyiRkERRa nizhaluNdu". ithu Kalil gibranin kavithayai Kavimani Desiya Vinayakam pillai thamizil mozipeyarththaar.
idam peRRa padam: Kalvanin kaathali (Kalkiyin novel. Sivaji, Banumathi)
Paadiyathu: Ghantasala, Banumathi.
MD: Govindaraj nayudu.
"kaaNi nilam vENdum"
padam: Anthaman kaithi.
paadiyavargaL : CSJ, MLV.
MD: Govindaraj nayudu.
inRaiya isai amaippaaLar enRu Ceylon radiovil varumpOthu record seythu vaiththirukkiREn.
"kaiyum kaiyum kalanthidavaa jaalyaakavE"
Kadan vaangi kalyaanam.
MD: S.Rajesvararao.
Vijaya vahiniyin nalla comedy padam.
Paarththiban kanavu:
MD: Vedha.
Lyrics:
ithaya vaanin uthaya nilavE - Vindhan.
pazakum thamizE - Kannadasan.
"anbE nee angE"
padam: Bommai kalyanam. (Sivaji,jamuna)
MD: K.V.Mahadevan.
- From: RV (@ 1cust82.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Sun Feb 15 14:25:40 EST 1998
Sathiya Keerthi:
Thanks a lot; I hv several cassettes with no documentation whatsoever and I stuck one in the other day. The effect is nice; I also got the satisfaction of unearthing gems from junk. Easy if I make the junk myself. ;-)
Thendral Urangiya Podhum, Kalyana Samaiyal Saadham, Paattu Paada Vaa idhu moondrumdhaan naan mudhan mudalaga "manappaadam" seidha paattukkal. 7, 8 vayadhu irukkum endru ninaikkiren. When I heard that one, suddenly this confusion set in as to whether it is PMV Annai or TMK Thali. Some strange name like that, thats all I remembered. Indraikkum lyrics gnaabagam irukkiradhu. When I was hearing it, I was singing to myself - subjecting myself to caustic comments from my wife. ( at least, lyrics-kkaga PPP poga vendam.;-) ) Ippodhu neengal PSV patri sonnadhum, adhaiyum ketka vendum pol irukkiradhu. Idhu varaiyil naan kettadhillai. Radio, tape, edhilum kettadhillai. Engeyaavadhu thedip piditthu padam edutthup paarkka vendum.
Appodu siru vayadhil ketta paatukkalai patri pesik kondirundhom. Veyyirketra Nizhalundu, Thalai Vaari Poocchoodi Unnai, Kaani Nilam Vendum ( Andha gambeeramaana CSJ kuralil ), Kuzhaloodhi Manamellaam pondra paattukkal ninaivukku vandhana. Kuzhaloodhi Manamellaam Ootthukkaadu Venkata Subbaiar ezhudiya keerthanai endru theriyum. Matravai sariyaagath theriya vilai. Sathya Keerthi to the rescue!
Thalai Vaari RRadhavil idam petrullaadha ? Naan andhap padatthai kadandha oru varudhatthil paartthen. Indhap paattu vandhirundhaal, kattayamaga therindirukkum. Oru velai naan paartha print-il illaiyo ennavo.
Vedhava "Pazhagum Thamize" pottadhu ? Nambave mudiya villaiye ?
Yaarunga idhu Govindaraj Nayudu ? Kelvip pattadhe illaiye ? ;-)
- From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb04.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Feb 15 17:56:31 EST 1998
RV & Bones:
Thanks for the meanings.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Sun Feb 15 20:53:35 EST 1998
RV:
Actually Veda had a strong Carnatic background and
was good at doing original tunes. It was the Modern
Theatres people who forced him into this
direct-lifts practice. In fact, MSV was approached
by Modern Theatres to make him as their aasthaana
MD, but they didn't take him because he said
nothing doing for copying. Then they fixed
on Veda.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Sun Feb 15 20:55:14 EST 1998
RV:
BTW, most of the details that you asked for were
provided above by my sister, Sathya, not by me.
- From: RV (@ 1cust124.max18.san-francisco2.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Mon Feb 16 01:34:07 EST 1998
Mottham 3 Sathya irukkanga polirukku. Neenga, Bones Sathya, appuram unga sister Sathya. ;-)
- From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10)
on: Mon Feb 16 01:42:08 EST 1998
RV - If you didn't know, they are all siblings. Satya (the lady) is the eldest. Professor Satya Keerthi is the second and Bones is the kada-kutti. :-))
- From: raja m (@ draco.eisi.com)
on: Mon Feb 16 10:09:48 EST 1998
Is there any info on Veda anywhere in the archives ? Is he still alive ?
- From: RV (@ 1cust108.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Mon Feb 16 15:16:01 EST 1998
Nov:
Oh! Enakkuth idhu varai theriyadhu. Moondru perume TFM-il ivvalavu eedupaadudan irukkiraargale!
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-46-222.tm.net.my)
on: Tue Feb 17 10:24:17 EST 1998
RV
Just returned from outstation.
Makaney Kel is by SSR and Prem Nazir. There are some wonderful songs, mostly by Pattukottai Kalyanasundaram.
They are:-
1. Unnai Paartha Kankal rendum Ponnai Parthu Palikkuthu -by AM Raja and P.Suseela
2.Mattamana Pechu Than Vayai Kedukkuthunga - Athai vettithanama Kekkuravanga kathayum Kedukkuthunga - by AL Ragavan and Jikki
3.Oron Onnu Ulla Deivam Onnu- Seergali and chorus
4.Aararivil Orarivu Outu-TMS
5.Soothattam Aadum Kaalam-TMS and K.Jamunarani
6.Kaanatha Inbam Thaanaga Vanthal Po endru Sonnalum Poguma -by P.Suseela
7.Kalai Mangai Uruvam Kanden Kathal Konden-Seergaliyar and MLV
8.Aattwam Poranthathu Munnaley-TV Rathnam
RV
T Govindarajulu Naidu is the father of TG Lingappa. Some of the films where Govindarajulu was the MD are:-
1.Maya Manithan
2.Andaman Kaithi
3.Manithanum Mirugamum
4.Rajabakthi
5.Kalvanin Kathali
6.Nam Naadu(old)
7.Bagdad Thirudan
8.Patharai Mathu Thangam
9.Santha Sakkubai
10.Vedan Kannappa
But TG Lingappa has more films to boast of. Some are:-
1.Kalyanam Panniyum Bramachari
2.Kulandaikal Kanda Kudiyarasu
3.Sangalithevan
4.Puthumaippenn
5.Veera Amarsingh
6.Thedi Vantha Selvam
7.Kanniyin Sabatham
8.Thanga Malai Ragasiyam
9.Valviley Oru Naal(with CN Pandurangan)
10.Muthal Thethi
11.Muradan Muthu
12.Thangamalar
13.Ennaippaar
14.Sabash Meena
15.Engal Kudumbam Perisu
16.Sivasakthy
17.Chinnadurai
RAJAM,
Veda passed away in the early seventies of heart attack. You still can see him playing bongos for the song "Dingari Dingaley Meenachy Dingari Dingaley" in Anbu Engey.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Tue Feb 17 20:49:11 EST 1998
Digression:
Manisegaran: Were you able to get the free email web sites ?
Manisegaran:
Vedha comes in a song! Thats nice to know.
Oru popular paattukku yaaravadhu konjam arttham solla mudiyumaa ?
Paattu: "Aagayap Pandhalile Ponnoonjal Aadudhamma"
Padam Ponnoonjal endru ninaikkiren. Poonoonjal endru kavignar edhai kuripiduigiraar ?
Roshanara Begum innoru thread-il vandha oru peyar. Ivaraip patri edhaavadhu theriyumaa ?
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Tue Feb 17 22:06:29 EST 1998
maybe nilA? I don't know whether the song is shot (to be) in the
night. Otherwise, pAdal pArththavargaL sollattum.
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Tue Feb 17 23:48:51 EST 1998
RV:
I think AruLarasan is quite right. Kaadhalan
vaanaththil oLi veesum nilavai paarththu Kaadhaliyidam
solgiRaan: aagaayam endra pandhalilE nilavu endra
pon (powrNami andru nilavu ponnai pOl prakaasikkum)
oonjal aaduthamma (nilaavin asaivai oonjal aaduvadhaRkku
oppidugiRaar kavinjar)
oorkOlam pOvOmaa uLLam angE Oduthammaa -- my mind
is so attracted to that moon, shall we fly over there?
The rest of the song is mainly about their imagined
wedding.
Padaththil Sivaji & Usha Nandhini run around in a
very happy mood. The picturization is nothing
great for such a wonderfully haunting tune. In
fact, even the movie is not worth talking about.
(RV: This movie is worth considering for your
paadalgaLukkaagavE Odiya padangaL thread;
you can even say more: indha oru paattukkaagavE
indha padam Odiyadhu endrE solla vENdum; paadal
mudindhadhum theate kaali!)
- From: Manisekaran (@ 202.188.91.15)
on: Wed Feb 18 05:54:43 EST 1998
RV
Thanks for the free Email sites. I found them.
Roshana Begum has composed Kunkumapottin Mangalam in Veluamai's Kudiyiruntha Koyil.It used to be thought that she is the only lady to have composed film songs.In 1949 Director K.Subramaniam directed a film called "Geethagandhi". His wife Meenatchi @ Pattammal composed a song called "AARU MANI NERATHITKU MEL VELAI SEIVOM" This is the first song ever to be composed by any female for TF.Then in another film called "Katkottai" another lady called Rajeswary composed anothr song. Roshana Begum is the third to compose songs. The fourth lady is Jeya Ravi who composed for the film Samarppanam.The fifth lady is Latha who composed for the film "Manjal Mugamey Varuga".The sixth lady is playback singer S.Janaki who composed child song and sang in the Parthasarathy hall.The song is Kanna Nee Engey. The music genius Ilayaraja fine tuned it and used it in Rusi Kanda Poonai.
ARULARASAN,
Panthaliley Pavakkai(pagatkai) aaduvathai poley matra kaygalum aaduvathai parthirukkirom. But Nila enra Kai Aaduma? Swing pannuma? Left poyittu Right varuma? Ithu Kavithai Mayakkam.
"Kathum Kuyilosai Satrey Vanthu Kathil Vizha Vendum", so said Barathi Pulavan. Kuyil Kathuma? Ithu Kavithai Mayakkam.
SATHYA KEERTHI,
You are right. The film Ponnoonjal ran for the song Agaya Panthaliley. When MSV was here in Malaysia in mid 1970s we asked him some details. He related about the Ponnoonjal song. Both Ulagam Sutrum Valiban and Ponnoonjal were 1973 releases. Earlier MSV had composed super songs for Ulagam Sutrum Valiban. Someone went and poked(soodetral) to Sivaji about the great pain and special effort MSV had taken to compose the songs of U.S.Va. When MSV turned up SIvaji asked MSV point blank if it is true that MSV takes special effort for songs in MGR films, but not for Sivaji films. MSV was shocked and hurt. But he took it in the positive spirit and composed the songs in Ponnoonjal to console Sivaji. Ponnoonjal was a silver jubliee hit.Aagaya Panthaliley was a folk type song.The record bearing this song saw highest sale. The song was played continuously in Then Kinnam and Ungal Viruppam in AIR.
In response to your statement about the refusal by MSV to copy foreign tunes. He does not believe in copying foreign tunes in totality. But he gets ideas from the foreign tunes. From the time CR Subbaraman passed away MSV followed the footsteps of CRS at least till the late fifties. But in the seventies, he started to copy ideas from foreign tunes. Songs like Athan Ennathan and even Vantha Naal Muthal Intha Naal varai are said to be influenced by Japanese tunes. No Need to talk about Bansayee Kathal Paravaigal. "Antha Naal Nyapagam Nenjiley Vanthathey Nanbaney! Nanbaney! Nanbaney" has been inspired by Rex Harrison's performance in MY FAIR LADY. As for Hindi, Pen Onru Kanden Pon Angu Illai Ennendru Naan Solla Venduma has been the influence of one of Hemant Kumar's song. When MSV was told to compose for Naalai Namathey (remake of Yaadon Ki Barat) MSV initially refused. Yadon Ki Barat was a movie that ran for its songs. MSV was to compose for Nalai Namathey retaining all its aspects. He was worried that he may be influenced by the tunes of Yadon Ki Barat. But MGR insisted and MSV had no way of refusing him. Finally he copied the idea from Yadon Ki Barat and came out with songs in Naalai Namathey. So you are absolutely right. While MSV does not copy in full the alien tunes, RD Burman has copied Thalayam Poo Mudichu Thadam Parthu Nadai Nadanthu.(Source-statements angum ingum from MSV)
Sorry for the lengthy explanation. I did not visit TFM DF for a long time. So, "Kainja Maadu Kambula Vizhunthathu Poley" Vizhunthuvitten. BONES, I am sure you are going to comment. Ummai Naan Ariven!
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-td01.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Feb 18 10:16:45 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
Do you have any details at all about the movie "pAdhai theriyudhu pAr"?
The song thennangeetRu oonjalilE is a favorite for quite a few of us here. chinna chinna mookkuththiyAm is also a nice song. Since the likes of PattukkOttai wrote the lyrics, we were guessing it's a movie with a strong social message.
We have tried to track down the video (in different parts of the world), and have been unsuccessful. Any information you can share with us on this movie and its songs will be welcome.
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-50-43.tm.net.my)
on: Wed Feb 18 11:29:35 EST 1998
Kanchana
The film Paathai Theriyuthu Paar was started by forward thinking writers of those days, who were mainly communist-minded. It was started by Kumari Films. The story line was provided by R.K.Kannan.The title of the film was proposed by Jayakanthan( the vanagamudi writer)He himself wrote two songs One is Thennangkeetru Oonjaliley by PB Sreenivos and S.Janaki. The other is a Thalaattu song by P.Suseela called Azhutha Kanneerum Paalaguma. The Music Director is MP Seenivasan. The main actors are Vijayan and L.Vijayalechumy.Vijayan appears as the doctor in Kudiyiruntha Koyil for the song Naan Yaar Naan Yaar Nee Yaar. He later joined Seva Stage-the drama company, and even served under K.Balachander. Vijayan was a railway worker before acting in the film. Jeyaganthan acted but the scenes were removed. The film was a flop. But I did not see the film. No video is available in Malaysia.
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-te04.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Feb 18 17:08:26 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
mikka nandRi. Besides MBSrinivasan's beautiful music, the other story-related facts you've related make this movie sound very appealing. Just need to track it down, even if it is in full movie reels format.
To topic:
A 50s(?) favorite is nAn seidha poojApalan from the movie "guNasundari". Besides the pleasing music by Ghantasala and the soft, melodious voices of PLeela & AMR, I like the lyrics like aravindha malarOdu anurAga isai pAda Adhavan udhayamAnAn etc. What do we know about the lyricist Ramiahdoss? Which other movies, etc.?
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Wed Feb 18 19:30:37 EST 1998
Ramaiahdoss wrote almost all songs in Missiamma. I am not sure which are the ones he didnt write in that movie. ;-)
In a sense, he was the Vaali of the olden days. "Kaiyile Kaasu Vaayile Dosai" types. Ketaa maadiri paattu kidaikkum. I think he also wrote "Jolllo Gymkhana" in Amara Dheepam.
Anybody knows anything about this AMR song ?
Athimathuraa Anuradha Jeevithame Suga Bogam
I hv hit paydirt in my chaotic cassette collection as far as AMR is concerned. ;-)
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Wed Feb 18 20:51:10 EST 1998
Jal Jal Jal Ennum Salangai Oli
endru thuvangum paattu patri edhavadhu thagaval ?
- From: komanAngi (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 08:23:59 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
nAn pAttukku engayO amaithiyA "mEnjitu irunthEn", kAnjupOna
"kALai" mAdu pOla (vEra mAthiri kAyal), ennai seendureenga.
villAge mAdukaLukku kambangollai irukku, ennai mAthiri "city cow"gaLukku,
posterthAn - athuvum intha electionla - almost no posternu - Election
Commision solli - enga vaithla adichitAinga!!
"TG LingAPPA APPA TG" nu solRathu nallA rhymingA irukku!!
Nandri for "maganE kEL" songs.
Regarding Modern Theaters & MSV, I used to wonder, why ModernT
stopped using VR & MSV after the three movies:
thalai koduthAn thambi
petra maganai vitRa annai
pAsa valai.
Is there any other ModernT movies in which VR/MSV worked ??
Also another successful producer who hasn't used MSV is
MMA. Chinappa Devar (avar initial kAnja mAdu pasiyOda
ammAnu kathirA mAthiri illai ??).
MMA's successful formula were MGR, Animals, and MURUGAR.
Is there any reason why Devar didn't use MSV ??
He used only KVM and
"Kavinjar Vazangiya Devarin" Sankar-Ganesh.
Same goes for Big Banner Jemini. I can think of
vAzkai padagu & oLi viLakku. Later for "ellOrum nallavarE"
they moved to V.Kumar - who tuned a beautiful song -
pagai konda uLLam, thuyarathin illam.
I read that when Jemini was producing "vAzkai padagu", he
asked the family members for the MD suggestion - and
it was unanimously VR.
Any reason why Jemini didn't use MSV after that ???
(BTW, next time look closely into the Jemini logo
"two KOMANANGI pee-pee Uthum pasanga",
the left one is the exact ditto of chinna vayasu bones)
RV:
jal jal jal is from pAsam by S.Janaki, VR & Kannadasan.
Tanjur RamaiyadAs.
Kanchana:
I thought I sent the article about tanjur Ramaiadas in Murasu.
He is the "jollylO gymkAnA" jolly guy who used to say:
cinema enna Tamil vLarchik kazagamA, athu enna sangap
palagaiyA vachirukku en pulamaiyai sOthikka ?
vEttiya varinju katti, nAlanA ticket vAngi tharaila
utkArum rasiganai nAn santhOsap paduthanum. avanukkup
puriyara mAthiri "thillA tAngu tAngu thiruppi pOttu vAngu"
endru ezuthAmal, "vaNdAr kuzali pOOch sentAda" endRA
ezutha muiyum - endru kEttavar.
Your favorite "thooku thooki" songs were (some) written by him.
There are few incidents about how egostic he was.
RV: In addition to songs in Missiamma - he is also did the
story & Dialogue.
Need the Murasu writeup on him ??? call 1-800-BONES-BOY
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-te02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 08:45:57 EST 1998
Bones:
Thank you--I'll look for the murasu article. avaradhu "cinema enna thamizh vaLarchchik kazhagamA" kELviyai gnAbagappaduththiyadhukku nandRi. indRaiya pAdalgaLaik kEttAl avar enna solliyiruppAr?
From your answer, I'm assuming he wrote sundhari soundhari nirandhariyE from thookku thookki--will check PPP. Thanks again.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 12:29:30 EST 1998
Kanchana:
Sundari Sowndari is by Papanasam Sivan.
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti04.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 17:37:24 EST 1998
Thanks, RV.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Thu Feb 19 20:08:43 EST 1998
Do we hv any thread on Papanasam Sivan ? I think he lived in the ealier half of this century. I dont know whether he was really into TFM or was primarily a Carnatic vidwan. Anybody has any info ?
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-46-117.tm.net.my)
on: Fri Feb 20 11:41:15 EST 1998
KOMANANGI,
As to why the big banner companies did not use VR. VR are actually relatively later arrivals. When the Tamil Film industry was blooming, the Film companies went for "Oppantha Isai Amaippalarkal".The VR combination arrived in 1952, after the passing of CRS. Vr could have scored good music but the real boost came only after Malayitta Mankai in 1958.The Special unit consisting of Kannadasan,TMS,P.Suseela, Bhimsingh, and VR boosted all of them. But the film companies had their own intial preference for the MDs.Look at the pre VR period.
1.Modern Theatres started in 1937
2.Jupiters in 1936
3.Gemini in 1941
4.AVM in 1935
5.Vijaya in 1951
They all had their "Oppantha Isai Amaippalargal, which was not all that rigid. Gemini films was the most confusing.They had departments for everything such as kathai ilaka, isai ilaka etc and used several MDs.Rajeswara Rao who was oppantha Isai Amaippalar later split in Raji En Kanmani and concentrated for some time in Vijaya. The only Gemini film where KVM was the MD was Vilayattu Pillai
As for AVM, the Oppantha Isai Amaippalar was Sudarsanam,but the two AVM films where KVM was the MD were Kakkum Karangal and the film bearing Jayalalitha's "Malkova Pazhamungo"- Ananathai Aanandan.
As for Modern Theatres, they started with several MDs, and later settled with Vedachalam ie Veda. The only fim of MD where the MD was SM Subbiah Naidu is Thgambara Samiyar.
Bantulu always insisted on TG Lingappa and later went for GR and VR
Therefore the Oppantha Isai Amaippalar matter is not really that rigid, except for Sando MM Sinnappa Devar as you righly pointed out. He entered the cine field in 1940. He did dupe role for Bantulu in the film Thilothama produced in Premier Cinedon studios.He is the fastest producer. He wanted rsults fast. So when he approached VR to finsh the songs fast for Thaiku Pin Tharam VR refused owing to time factor that Devar imposed. He went to KVM who obliged.On the 100th day of Devar's MGR film he used to have another MGR film ready to be released-and KVM gave full cooperation. Even when KVM was going slow Devar did not use MSV. Instead he went for Shankar Ganesh who were introduced to Devar by Kannadasan after the they composed for the film Nakarathil Thirudarkal by Kannadasan that never was released.
KOMANANGI for GEMINI FILMS
In 1937, the Director K.Subramaniam purchsed a ground in Vellalar Thenampettai and named it Spring Garden. Then he turned it into MOtion Picture combines and produced Tamil films.He incurred loss and the studio came for auction.Vasan bought it for less than a lakh and named it Gemini Studio. Now the studio is no more there.KOMANANGI BONES, are you still ther near Anna Membaalam-all alone? Who is next to you?
TANJAI RAMAYAH DASS
was born in 1914 and was a teacher in Tanjai Keezhvasal Pallikkoodam. He was and a great patriot. Resigned and went to work in Sudarsan Gana Saba, and later started his own drama company called Jeyalachumy Nadaga Saba and wrote new dramas. One such was Macharegai staged in Salem. TR Mahalingam saw it and recommended TMR Dass to TR Subdram to use him in films He was given chance in 1000 Thalai Vangiya Aboorva Chindamani. His first song is Vachena Vachathuthaan-Pulli Vachena Vachathuthaan.TRM took him to Madras to use him to take Macharegai as film.So came Dass to Madras in 1950. There Vijaya Vahini recognized his talents and used him for its films as Asthana PSong writer.In Madras his first works was in Bathala Bairavi. He wrote dialogue for several films as well. In 1960 while bed-ridden of sickness he still wrote dialogue and songs for Adutha Veetu Penn. Wrote "Thirukkural Isaiyamutham" which was released by Then India Nadigar Sangam. A great lover of Tamil, it was surprising that he used too many Sanskrit words in his songs.He excelled in writing to the tune provided by the MD. The fact remains that he died as a Dappanguthu song writer. He served his time best.
Good night/morning.
- From: kOnAr (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Sat Feb 21 00:39:03 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
ungaL informationukku oru PeePeeP (athAvathu nandri from my PP).
The other KomanAngi paiyan, is my alter-ego sathyakumar.
Kanchana:
Tanjur RamaiyAdAs, indraiya pAdalgaLaik kEttirunthAl enna solli iruppAr
..yOsikirEn..kaNNai moodikondu (symbolic shot)..RamaiyAdAs..Avi ennuLLE pugundhu....
jOllylO gymkAnA
kAlilE uthaipEnA(m)
kObamthAn koLvEnA(m)
kOvai-il pOdum gundugaLai
koLgai illA pAttezuthum
kOdam bAkathil pOduvEnA(m)
kodum pAvigaLaik kolvEnA(m)
kOdip puNNiyam peruvEnA(m)
by Tanjur kOvanAngi dAs. (ko,ko,ko,..nu.kolrEnA!!)
In yesterday's veLLi maNi (thinamaNi Friday cinema page) there is an article "sathangaLum sAthanigaLum" about artists 100th/200th movie.
Few surprising info:
The only director who has directed 100 movies is... (can somebody guess)
The only production company which produced 100+ movies is (again guess)
Savithri's 100th movie was Konjum Salangai.
It came is 60's, even if she had acted 5 movies per year, she must have started in 40's ????
(kaNakku uthaikuthE!!)
kElvi:
I have been singing this song the whole day, which movie ??
maNamagan azaganE maNamagaL azagiyE
iruvarum.....indru jOdi sErnthanarE
(SC Krishnan & ALR ??)
- From: oor_suththi (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Sat Feb 21 01:53:39 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
sollunga MAMA KVM patri.
KV stands for what ?? SeerkAzi, tanjavur, pattukottai, papanasam, malaysia
mAthiri ithuvum oru telungAnA areavA ??
(how about MS in MSV??)
KVM TFMil busyAga irunthAlum, I heard, he was mainly concentrating in Telugu
movies - is it true ??
Was it KVM who introduced SPB in Adimaip peNN ??
We are NOT sure about SPB's first - can you clarify.
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-144.tm.net.my)
on: Sat Feb 21 13:59:36 EST 1998
OOR SUTRUM BONES,
Athikaalai Mani 1.45.
Once again managed to steal some time off to be with TFM DF. I think there is sufficient info about MSV in the PPP. Let me touch on KVM, from my memory.
KVM is the son of Venkatachala Iyer who used to sing "pinpaattu" in the dramas of those days. At an early age KVM was sent to learn basic music from Arunachala Kavi Rayar. KVM studied till class 3 only. At age 16 he worked with the Madras Pala Gantharva Saba. He also acted the role of Thirumangai Aalvaar. Under Visvanatha Bagavathar, he started to sing "pinpaattu" in katha kalachebam. Slowly he himself started to compose music for katha kalachebam and dramas. He rose up to the position of the Music Director in the HMV company. For some time he worked with SV Vengatraman in the cine circle. Later he joined the famous MD T.A.Kalyanam. He first composed music for films under T.A.Kalyanam. KVM's first work as MD was the film Aanandan, followed by Manonmani. The rest is history that all of us know.
KVM is the first MD from the south to get national award for film music. In the 1970s he was already working downwards in the Tamil films, firstly owing to advanced age. Again the 1970s saw the Tamil film music going more western, and he by nature was not willing to copy nor blend East with west. At that time he was busy in the Telugu films. There too he insisted on carnatic trend. Look at the evergreen Sangarabaranam (Doraguna athu pondra padalgal? SP Bala's real fame shot up overnight in that film. Madurai Shanmugagavadivu Subbulachumy-namma MS Subbulachumy- praised SPB sky high)
KVM is also a good singer you know? Listen to songs like "Kannodu Kanninai Ragasiyam Pesi", "Malar Vizhigalai" and "Kathal Enraley". What great songs! He even made Isai Methai G.Ramanathan sing for his tune in Alli Petra Pillai. He was a "Ellarkum Nalla Pillai" in the cine world. Was a great admirer of Kannadasan. VR and KVM were involved in healthy competition in the 1960s. But MSV himself is an ardent admirer of KVM's music. MSV always openly makes mention of the song "Mannavan Vanthanadi Thozhi-Manjathiley Irunthu Nenjathiley Puguntha... by P.Suseela in Thiruvarut Chelvar. KVM introduced several singers. I think this much should be OK.(source: my personal conversation with KVM in December 1984)
Regarding SP Balasubramaniam, many of us do not know why Bala choses to be silent on his first song. It has to come from the horse's mouth. Anyway his first song was in a film called Hotel Ramba-the MD is MSV. The duet song with LREswary goes like this:
"Athanodu Ippadi Irunthu
Ethanai Naalachu
Ithanai Naalum Inba Sugamillai
Nithirayum Veenachu." This is another film that never came out.
Then the question of the "first song to be released" arises. MSV says that it was Iyarkai Ennum Ilayak Kanni-with P.Suseela in Shanthi Nilayam. Another source says that the it is "Muthuchippi Kulley Oru Pon Vandu" in Kuzhandai Ullam, the late Savathiri's film with SP Kothandapani as the MD.
In any case the third song is Aayiram Nilavey Vaa. It was not KVM who invited SPB to sing this song. It was MGR who dragged him into Adimai Penn, immediately after MGR had a clash with TMS. TMS was preparing to go to Jaypur for his siter's family wedding. MGR insisted TMS to be around to record the songs for Adimai Penn. TMS was adamant of going for the wedding. MGR warned that he would create another singer if TMS did no stay back. TMS said go ahead and flew off. MGR brought SPB and introduced him to KVM. KVM told me that MGR was around to see that the tune for Ayiram Nilavey Vaa came out best. MGR also made sure the song scene was also the best. Somehow MGR was not that satisfied with the song. So, when TMS came back MGR had to use him again- Thayillamal Naanillai, Unnai Paarthu Intha Ulagam Sirikirathu,Ematrathey Ematrathey. The film was released with TMS in. But MGR went ahead in quietly promoting SPB to check TMS. Vetri Meethu Vetri Vanthu Ennai Serum in Thedivantha Mapillai, and the songs in Netru Indru Naalai are a few to quote. SPB could not check TMS. So MGR switched for Jesudoss. Thangathoniyiley in Ulagam Sutrum Valiban was another starting point in MGR using Jesudoss full scale. This was followed by Urimaikkural, Oorukku Thalai Vanangu, Pallandu Vazhga, Meenava Nanban,Uzhaikkum Karangal where there was domination by Jesudoss. Somehow MGR found TMS indispensable till the end. SP Bala quietly observed all this and kept away from the cancerous cine politics.
3.00 am. Today is another Vaikunda Ekathasi for me. Good Morning.
- From: Sundar Ramanathan (@ 202.54.10.103)
on: Sun Feb 22 02:24:43 EST 1998
inggivanai yaam peRavE...
my salutations...manisEgaran
- From: Manisekaran (@ 202.188.64.212)
on: Sun Feb 22 05:53:25 EST 1998
Sunder Ramanathan,
I dont think I deserve this much praise. Let me say in all humility that the source of all learning is the knowledge of God. I just happen to have some information as I am a consistent writer on cine news in the Malaysian media and I have written some books on cinema matters. So I am in the line.Thats all. I am sure you will come across more knowlegeable people, sooner or later. I continue to receive several personal Emails, asking me to continue contributing to this site. Therefore I am pleased to be of service to them by "forcefully" stealing time off.
KANCANA
Ungalukku Nalla Neram. Here is an update from my diary on PAATHAI THERIYUTHU PAAR
1.ACTORS:
Vijayan,
S.V.Sagasranamam
TS Muthiah
V Gobalakrishnan
A Veerappan
S Prabagar
TV Narayanasamy
Thanabaal
SV Subbiah
TK Balachandran
R.Muthuraman
N.Paranthaman
S Gulmuhammad
Rajavelan
Seshoo
2.ACTRESSES
S.Vijayalachumy
Sundaribai
Santhini
SR Janaki
Baby Kalpana
3.STORY &DIALOGUE
RK Kannan
4.SONGS
a) Rasa Maga Polirunthey-by KCN Arunasalam(ALRagavan)
b) Thennangkeetru Oonjaliley-by Jayakanthan(PBS&Janaki)
c) Masil Veenayum Maalai Mathiyamum-Devaram(S.Janaki&AS Mahadevan)
d) Chinna Chinna Mookuthiyam-KCS Arunasalam(TMS)
e) Azhutha Kannerum Palaguma-Jayakanthan(P.Leela)
f) Unmai Oru Naal Veliyagum-Pattukottaiyar(Tiruchy Loganathan)
5.MUSIC-M.B.Seenivasan
6.PRODUCTION-Kumari Films Private Limited
7.Direction-Nimai Gosh
8.Studio-Parani(ALS)
The other details are already posted to you earlier.
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-td09.proxy.aol.com)
on: Sun Feb 22 09:34:41 EST 1998
kavimAmaNi Sathyakumar (Bones):
Thank you again. konnutteenga!
Manisekaran:
Thank you very much for taking the trouble to get the additional information. vaLLuvar compares those who are knowledgeable but cannot/do not communicate that knowledge to others, to flowers without fragrance.
iNaroozhththum nARA malaranaiyar katRadhu
uNara viriththuraiyA dhAr.
ungaL thoNdu thodarattum!
- From: jee_boom_baa (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 09:44:59 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
MAMA patri neenga sonnathu ellAmE - putham puthu pazasugaL. Nandri.
I used to wonder how come KVM hasn't sung a song -
(when everyother MD sings!!) - your info clarified that.
But "ellOrkum nalla piLLai" KVM didn't like Vaali verymuch !!!
Also I thought PTPaar was directed by Beamsing.
Is it not Nimoykosh - the thanthirak kAtchigaL expert - jee boom baa ??
(or is it Markus PartlE!!)
That 100+ director is: K. Shnaker (Vetri vinAyagar was his 100th) enakku padu Acharyam.
Modern Theaters is the 100+ production compmany.
(enakku therinju 20/30 padam thErum - meethi ??)
Manisekaran oru puthuk kELvi:
AMRaja scored Music for very few movies like kalyanap parisu, thEn nilavu,...
all the songs in those movies were great (close to VR/KVM standard)
but somehow he didn't click - any reason ??
Did MSV played a role in suppressing him ??
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 13:43:06 EST 1998
Kanchana and others:
I rented Karnan this week basically motivated by Kanchanas comments on the songs in this movie. There were only 3-4 songs in the movie viz.
1. Iravum Nilavum Valarattume
2. Ullatthil Nall Ullam
3. Enna Koduppan Evai Koduppan
4. Maranatthai Ennik Kalangidum Vijaya ( Only the pallavi )
Is that all ? Do the songs like "Ennuyir Thozhi", "Maharajan Ulagai Aaluvaan", "Aayiram Karangal Neetti" actually come in the movie ? Or is the cassette ( VGP edition ) simply cut these songs off ? Any idea ?
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc01.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 17:55:57 EST 1998
RV:
To the best of my knowledge, maharajan ulagai ALuvAn was not placed in the movie, but every other song was.
I've watched a VGP original too; it chopped off Ayiram karangaL neetti which I think comes when karNan prays to the sungod, just before indhiran arrives (not sure, just guessing from a minute sliver of music in the video).
These are the songs in the video I watched:
mannavar poruLgaLai kai koNdu neettuvAr--titles
ennuyirth thOzhi--Dhuriyodhanan's wife & friends
mazhai kodukkum kodaiyum--pular in karNan's court
nANich chivandhana mAdharAr kaNgaL--same as above
kaNgaL engE--subhAngi & friends
iravum nilavum--karNan & subhAngi dream sequence
kaNNukku kulamEdhu--subhAngi consoling karNan after wedding about his background
pOi vA magaLE pOi vA (a bit missing)--subhAngi going away to parents' for vaLaikAppu
manjaL mugam niRam mARi (a bit missing)--vaLaikAppu
maraNaththai eNNik kalangidum Vijaya--GeethOpadhEsam
uLLaththil nalla uLLam--Krishna
Except for the songs noted, all other songs are not chopped off. I have a feeling some scenes have been cut off in the videotape. Does the movie ever show kunthi floating off the young baby in a casket? I don't think I've ever watched karNan on the big screen :(
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc01.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 18:04:05 EST 1998
Correction--"pular" should have been "pulavar" sorry!
Couldn't help noticing that the temples/sculptures in the background and the camera angles/shots used during iravum nilavum are identical to those from parts of mAsilA nilavE in ambikApathy.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 19:01:34 EST 1998
The cassette I saw begins with Kunthi leaving the casket in the Ganges.
Now this makes me feel really bad. Most of the songs are missing in the version I saw! And I used to love that Tirucchi Loganathan song - "Nanich Chivandhana Maadharaar Kangal".
Digression again:
Which company is conscentious ( I know I hvnt spelt that right! ) is about its prints ? I would like to get cassettes that dont chop off things like this VGP cassette.
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 19:18:17 EST 1998
All right, couple of questions to which I know the answer.
PBS has been the voice of Gemini Ganesan. He has also sung for Muthuraman, AVM Rajan ( good choices ). Occasionally, he has even sung for MGR. ( Paal Vannam Paruvam Kandu, Ennaruge Nee Irundhaal ).
As far as I know, he has given the voice for Nambiar only once. Does anyone know this song ?
He has also sang for Ramadoss once. Does anyone know this song ?
He has also sang for Srikkanth once.
Name all to get the title of PBS Maha Rasigan(i)
- From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10)
on: Mon Feb 23 19:53:28 EST 1998
Kanchana - You are right. Ayiram karangaL neetti comes when karNan prays to Sooriya Bagwan, by throwing handfuls of flowers. At the end of the song, Sooriyan becomes red and warns Karnan about the ssozhchi and tells him not to give his kavasa kundalam. Indhiran then comes in disguise .... and you know what happens next.
I buy a lot of video cassettes, with the complete movie, from Columbia Music House, as they hold worldwide copyright for many movies. I believe they are on the internet. Will get back to you, if I can get details. :-))
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Feb 23 20:01:50 EST 1998
RV:
PBS for Nambiar: ondru sErndha anbu maaRumaa
(M.P.Makaraasi)
for Srikanth: chiththiramE solladi and
oruvan kaadhalan, both in Vennira Adai.
for Ramdoss: I don't know.
for Manohar: dhEvan vandhaan dhEvan vandhaan
in Kuzhandhaikkaaga.
for ThangaVelu: several songs in A.V.Penn.
Has PBS sung for Sivaji G?
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta06.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Feb 23 20:45:37 EST 1998
RV & Keerthi:
Isn't the karNan verse enna koduppAn evai koduppAn sung by PBS for SVRamdas?
RV:
PBS has sung another song for MGR in Mannadhi Mannan, with PSusheela & JamunaRani--neeyO nAnO yAr nilavE.
NOV:
Thank you for the Karnan info, and for offering to find out the video info. I assume they will have the movies available in the NTSC (US) formats too?!
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Feb 23 22:39:02 EST 1998
Kanchana:
I didn't know enna koduppaan.. was by
Ramdoss in the movie. Thanks for the info.
Continuing with the PBS digression...
PBS for Balaji: 2 songs in Bale Pandiya, 2 more in
P.M.Podhuma, 3 in Policekaaran MagaL, 1 in
Anbu KarangaL (iravu mudindhuvidum)
one day one way one boy one girl (Nee) and
engEyO paarththa mugam (N.G.Kaadhali) for J'shankar
thaamarai kannangaL (E Neechal) for Nagesh
2 songs for Anandhan in Veera Thirumagan
endha oor endravanE for Asokan (Kaattu Roja)
2 for Kalyan Kumar in Nenjam MaRappadhillai
for Ravichandran in K.Neramillai, Idhaya Kamalam,
M.S.Pillai and Kumari Penn
azhagiya midhilai.. in Annai for some vague actor, name??
and perhaps, for many more actors...
- From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10)
on: Mon Feb 23 23:15:57 EST 1998
Warning: DIGRESSION
Kanchana and others interested - I just had a word with Mr. Thomas of Columbia Music House. They will only be going on the web next month. In the meantime, if you want to order movies, you have to deal directly with them. They can be contacted at Malaysia 603-298 0168.
All movies are recorded from the master and they have it in VHS, Beta and U-matic formats. As for the colour ssytem, they use PAL system. If you want it in NTSC, they can do it specially for you at about four times the price. This problem can be averted if your VCR is a multi-system one. It can then play all vdo's.
The price per tape is RM18, which is about US$4, excluding postage and handling charges.
So far, I have been able to get ANY movie I had wanted, so you won't be disappointed. :-)))
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Mon Feb 23 23:31:32 EST 1998
Kanchana:
We can check with this person to see if he has
P.T.Paar.
- From: RV (@ 1cust17.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 17:33:08 EST 1998
Kanchana:
Yes, it was picturised on Ramdoss and actually I asked that question after seeing Karnan. ;-)
Didnt PBS sing "Orutthi Oruvani Ninaitthu Vittaal" for SSR ?
He also sang for Ravichandran, the juvenile interest in Motor Sundaram Pillai. I cant recall the song, though. It was a duet with Jayalalitha.
Another digression:
TMS sang for Vennira Aadai Moorthi in a song. Can anyone recall that ? Nov, you should be able to add that info to TMS, the Pala Kural Mannan thread.
- From: Ramki (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu)
on: Tue Feb 24 17:46:14 EST 1998
RV the song is 'kathirundha kangalae'
Keerthi PBS sang 'tholvi nilai ene ninaithaal'(oomai vizhigal)for Jaishanker.
Wasnt there a couple of duets by PBS in katturoja
(hero SSR)?
One more nice song by PBS for SSR in 'manappandhal'
-kathu kathu nindradhile parvai izhandhen.
SSK the actor is annai is Sridhar.
PBS sang for Sivakumar in 'kannan oru kai kuzhandhai'-'thendralae nee pesu un kangalaal nee pesu'under Rajas music
- From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg)
on: Tue Feb 24 20:16:26 EST 1998
Ramki:
Thanks for the info.
- From: RV (@ 1cust118.max2.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net)
on: Tue Feb 24 22:57:51 EST 1998
Any info on the song "Athimathura Anuradha"
- From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10)
on: Tue Feb 24 23:42:21 EST 1998
RV - Thanks. :-))
Satya Keerthi/Kanchana - Sorry! Paathai Theiryithu Paar "has not been released yet." I don't know what that means......
- From: Sathya (@ ppp-4.ts-3.hp.idt.net)
on: Wed Feb 25 14:12:54 EST 1998
RV:
"athi mathurA anurAdhaA jeevithamE suga bOgam"
A.M.Raja, Jamunarani.
EngaL kudumbam perisu
T.G.Lingappa.
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-td01.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Feb 25 14:31:50 EST 1998
NOV:
Thank you for taking the time to find out about Paadhai Theriyudhu Paar video availability for us--it's such fun to communicate across the world! :-). Judging from the response, the movie has never been transferred to video. Will have to use Manisekaran's info on the producer/studio, and track down the movie reels if they exist. Thanks again.
- From: Sathya (@ ppp-4.ts-3.hp.idt.net)
on: Wed Feb 25 15:26:20 EST 1998
Kanchana:
The bachground sculptures in the Karnan song "iravum nilavum" are the famous BELUR and HALEBID temples in Karnataka built by the Hoysala kings. The song was picturised there.These temples have most exquisitely sculptured images.What a beauty!
Belur Chennekeshava temple is still in worship.These temples were built around 1142. Halebid is 15 km from Belur. Hoysaleswara Shiva temple and Jain temples in Halebid.The sculptural work went on for 200 years. This temple was never complete. Later Allaudin Khilji and Tuglaq invaded the towns.
What a rich cultural heritage!
There is a one day trip from Bangalore by the Karnataka tourism. (which includes the famous Shravana belagola Jain temple).
The other place you should visit in Karnataka is Hampi, one of the most beautiful cities of ruined Vijayanagara empire (1336 - 1565). Hampi comes under World Heritage Monuments.
Sorry for the digression !
- From: Ramki (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu)
on: Wed Feb 25 15:31:10 EST 1998
Sathya that was a very valuable information.Thanks for sharing it with us
- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Wed Feb 25 15:31:31 EST 1998
The Vennira Aadai Moorthy song is "Paavalar Paadiya Pudhumaip Pennai Bhoomiyil Kandadhu Indru" in Mohammad Bin Thuglaq. Moorthy comes only for this song. The scene is the birthday party of Manorama, a newly appointed minister.
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-td01.proxy.aol.com)
on: Wed Feb 25 15:42:44 EST 1998
Sathya:
Not a digression at all, since I brought it up in the context of two movies. Thank you--well worth a visit.
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-115.tm.net.my)
on: Fri Feb 27 12:21:00 EST 1998
BONES, RV, KANCHANA and the other rathathin rathangaley!
Had to complete some urgent assignments. So I was not visiting this site for some time now.
AM Raja
AM Raja has good voice and has never been implicated in any form of kisu kisu in the cine field. His downfall has been his own making. He is a highly suspicious character, suspecting his own shadow. That is the reason he has not been able to stick too long with any pparticular MD. The only song under SM Subbiah Naidu is Thanga Nilavil Kendai Irandu Thulli Thirivathundo. KVM could not tolerate him, especially when he was composing the tune for En Kathal Inbam Ithuthana for Thaiku Pin Tharam. After the song Kayiley Inippathenna in Manamulla Marutharam KVM called it off in so far as AMR is concerned. He had been clshingwith several people towards the later part of his cine career. But Sridar gave him a lift in Kalyana Parisu. Then AMR went ahead composing for Anbokkor Anni, Vidivelli, Then Nilavu, Adiperukku and on his second comeback for Veetu Mapillai.
After Then Nilavu Sridar clashed with AM Raja and decided not to use AMR anymore. That was the time Sridar was releasing sensational movies one after the other, and the cine filed had fierce respect for him. The moment a co-singer becomes and MD there is always the danger. Other singers may tend to boycot them This too happened to aan extent. But TMS, PBS,Trichy Loganathan and Seergazi Govindarajan had already sung by then. When Sridar boycotted AMR, he felt that the whole cine field was boycotting him and so decided to keep away. He pulled Jikki along with him. One of the very last works was in Pasamum Nesamum- Parthen Parthai, Theriyuma Punnagai etc.He was concentrating on Christian devotional songs and stage performances.
After a long break he came back in Veetu Mapillai withRasi Nalla Rasi.It was a temporary hit as it gave a different taste at that time. But in Ithu Ivargalin Kathai he did not give good songs-Malarey Nee Malaralle and En Devaney Unnidam did not pick up.
Around this time we see Shanker Ganesh using AMR and Jikki in Senthamaraiyey in Puguntha Veedu. Rangarattinam carried Mutharamey Un Oodal Ennavo. That is to say his own composing did not take off the ground. He did better under other MDs. Unfortunately Jikki's voice was intact, while AMR's voice was completely going off. In 1898 he died. I met AM Raja in 1984 in T-Nagar and Jikki in 1989 in Malaysia and had long conversation.
PBS SONGS-listed below are my favourite solos of him.
1.Vadatha Pushpamey-Adutha Veetu Penn
2.Kannaley Pesi Pesi Kollathey- Adutha Veetu Penn
3.Kathal Nilavey Kanmani Ratha-Hello Mr.Zamindar
4.Kathal Nilavey(Sad)
5.Kalangalil Aval Vasantham-Pava Mannippu
6.Thulli THirintha Penn Onru-Kathiruntha Kankal
7.Ilamai KOluvirukkum-Hello Mr.Zamindar
8.Padatha Pattellam Pada Vanthal-Veerathirumagan
9.Kan Padumey Pirar Kan Padumey-Kathiruntha Kankal
10.Netru Varai Nee Yaro-Vazhkai Padagu
11.Unnalagai Kandukkondal-Poovum Pottum
12.Mownamey Parvaiyaal- Kodimalar
13.Poo varaiyum Poonkodiyey-Ithayathil Nee
14.Parakkum Paravaikal Neeye-Kavitha(for M.N.Nambiar)
15.Thogai Un Meni(Kalamangaiyo)-Mayamani
16.Thol Kanden-Idaya Kamalam
17.Nilavukku Enmel-Policekaran Makal
18.Paathumai Thano-Kood Vazhnthaal Kodi Nanmai
19.Malayil Malar Cholayil-Adutha Veetu Penn
20.Yen Sirithai Ennai Paarthu-Ponni Thirunaal
21.Naan Paada Nee Aadu Kanney- Mala Oru Mangala Vilakku
22.Nenjam Alai Mothuthey-Manamaalai
23.Nammasai Poovil Nalroja-Jimbo
24.Devi Sri Devi Thedi Alaikinren-DEvi
25.Azhagey Uruvai Aval vanthaal-Paatondru Ketten
26.Azhagana Malarey- Thendral Veesum
27.Sirikkuthu Jorai Velli Panam-Odi Vilayadu Pappa
28.Chinna Chinna Roja- Azhagu Nila
29.Unga Ponnana Kaikal Punnagalama-Kathalikka Neramillai
30.Chinthanai Yen Selvamey-Jathagam
31.Sirippu Pathi- Enga Veetu Penn
32.Iravin Madiyil ulagam Urangum-Sarasa BA
33.Thediduthey Vanamingey-Unthami Petra rathinam
34.Unnai Nambi Aval Irunthaal-Engal Selvi
35.Nilavey Ennidam Nerungathey-Ramu
36.Kankaley Kathal Seivathai Vittuvidungal-Valkai Padagu
37.Kathaiyai Kettathum maranthuvidu-Neengatha Ninaivu
38.Kannum Kannu Pesuthu-Thirudathey
39.Pattu Mudiyum Munney Mmetiya Veenai-Odi Vilayaadu Paapa
40.Madi Meley Madi Katii-Kathalikka NEramillai
41.Anbodu Inbamaga Valalaam nanbaney-Viduthalai
42.Paada Paad Then Paagai Inkkum-Baktha Sabari
43.Poi Sonnarey Pulavarkal Ellam-kadavulai Kanden
44.Udalukku Uyir Kaval-Manappanthal
45.Mayakkama Kalakkama-Sumaithangi(the song that made Vaali change his mind of committing suicide)
46.Ellam Nadaga Medai-Pasamum Nesamum
47.Manithan Enbavan Deivamagalam-Sumaithangi
48.Ninaippathellam Nadanthuvittaal- Nenjil Or Aalayam
48.Etho Manithan Piranthuvittan-Panithirai
49.Entha OOr enravaney-Kaatu Roja
50.Avanallaal Puvi Meethu Or anuvum Asiyathu-Prema Pasam
51.Puriyathu Puriyathu-Adiperukku
52.Kaitholil Onrai Katrukkol-Kadavulin Kulanthai
53.Poonthendral Isai Paada- Thayin Karunai
54.Mooda Nambikkayaley Oru Kedu Vilayum Manitha-Jathagam
55.Ninaippatharku Neramillai- Ninaippatharku Neramillai
56.Aasai Vaithaal Athu Mosam-Thangamalar
57.Velli Panathukkum Nalla gunathukkum Vegu Thooram-Sabash Mapillai
58.Minnuvathellam Ponnagi Pomo-Puthumai Penn
59.Yaar Sirithal Enna -Idayathil Nee
60.Ethanai Ethanai Inbamada-Yarukku Sontham
61.Javrejaa Intha veetukku Naan Rajaa-Kumari Penn
62.Ennai Paarthal Parigasam-Sengamala Theevu(FOR RAMADASS)
The above are from my collection.
The actor appearing inthe song Alagiya Mithila Nagariniley in Annai is Raja B.A.
The song by PBS and P Suseela "Kandeney Unnai Kannaley Kathal Jothiye" in Naan Soollum Ragasiyam is for Sivaji Ganesan and Anjali Devi.
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- From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com)
on: Fri Feb 27 15:31:30 EST 1998
Manisekaran: Eppaditthan indha maadiri info kudukkarenagalo!
So Nambiarukku innum oru paattu irukku. Ramadoss-ukku innum oru paattu irukku. Kuzhandaikkaga padatthilum oru paattu irukkunnu ninaikkiren. PBS Sivajikku paadi irukkaar. Sivajikku TL, Seerkazhi yaaravadhu kural kodutthirukkaangala ? espy. in Kappalottiya Thamizhan ?
- From: Manisekaran (@ bat-47-70.tm.net.my)
on: Sat Feb 28 06:35:34 EST 1998
1.Kappalottiya Thamizhan has the Seergali Govindarajan song "Odi Vilayadu Pappa" for Sivaji
2. In Punarjanman, there is a song "Vanga Machan" (a duet)by Seergaliyar for Sivaji-MD is Chalapathi Rao
3.In Kalyanam Panniyum Bramachari there is a Chandrababu song for Sivaji-:Jally Life Jali Life"
4. In Kalvanin Kathali there are two songs by Gandasala for Sivaji- "Veyirketra Nizhalundu" one is a duet with Periamma banumathy, and the other a solo by Gandasala.
5.In Sabash Meena there is a song by T.Moti and Soolamangalam Rajalechumy for Sivaji-"Kaana Inbam Kaninthatheno"
6.In Veera Pandiyt Katta Bomman there is a small Thogayara by NV Sundaram for the song Manam Kanintharul Vel Muruga by S.Varalachumy. The Thogayara is "Sakthi Vadivelaney"
- From: froggy (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Sun Mar 1 02:51:17 EST 1998
Manisekaran:
AMR kathai was like "nunalum than 'vAyAl' kedum".
I read this news in the latest Cinema Express that
there is going to be a "Tamil Thirai isai Velli vizA" on April 14th in Madras.
The music performance would be given by MSV-TKR & IR along with the singers TMS, PS, SPB, KJJ, SJ,...
The same day CM MUna KAna & Governor are going to
publish the first copy of "Mellisai Mannarin vAzkai varalARu".
Manisekaran, I have a question for you on MSV and
SMSubbaih nAidu relationship. MSV was working for
CRSubbaraman along with TKR and later after CRS,
VR formed the team. When was MSV worked under SMS ?? (before CRS).
I can remember only few movies of SMS like
Konju Salangai. nAdOdi mannan, thirudAthE,....
SMS patRi konjam sollungalEn.
- From: Manisekaran (@ 202.188.91.81)
on: Mon Mar 2 11:14:18 EST 1998
Uyirinum Melana Udan Pirantha Elumbey!
1.SM Subbiah Naidu is a great MD. Unfortunately not many of us talk about him.He is one of the oldest MDs. In 1947 itself he created history.Jupiter produced Rajakumari which was MGR's first hero movie. In that film Tiruchy Loganathan sang a song called "Kasinimel Nangal". That was a playback song for MN Nambiar. That is the first playback song in Tamil Film industry. The MD is the great SM Subbiah Naidu.
2. In 1948 for another film of Jupiter-"Kanniyin Kathali" Kannadasan wrote his first song" Kalangathiru Manamey-Un Kanavellan Nanavagum Oru Dinamey". This film was released in 1949. It was sung by K.V. Janagi. Kannadasan says in his book called "30 Aandukaala Cinima Chinthanaikal" tha it was SM Subbiah Naidu who composed music for the song, and that paved way for our time's greatest Geetha Kuyil Kannadasan.
3.As early as 1948 MSV was already working with various MDs. In one of his earliest interviews MSV said that he worked under CR Subbaraman, and got inspiration from SV Vengatraman and TR Pappa. But while playing Harmonium for CR Subbaraman, MSV was also with SM subbiah Naidu. In 1948 MSV composed his first song called "Ini Vasanthamey Vazviniley" sung by Tiruchy Loganathan and UR Jeevaratnam. It was for the film Abimanyu. But the song was released under the name of SM Subbiah Naidu, as MSV was an unknown figure at that time.(Again the dialogue for Abimanyu was by Mu Ka,but the name of A.S.A. Samy was used)
4. When Devadass was under production with CRSubbaraman as the MD, MSV was playing harmonium under CRS, with TKR playing Violin. At the same time MSV,T.Kalyanam and Gnanamani were composing for Jenoa, a film with MGR as hero. MSV was composing "Namey Jeeeva Sugam Ullasam Kanbom Valziley". Around this time CRS suddenly passed away. So MSV and TKR had to complete the BGM and the song Ulagey Maayam.
5. In 1952 NSK produced Panam, in which MSV and TKR combined for the first time. It was NSK who suggested the name of Visvanathan to appear befor the name of Ramamurthy, thus appearing as "Visvanathan-Ramamurthy". Again it was Kannadasan who brought MSV and Ramamurhty together for Panam.
6. MSV never forgot to honour SM Subbiah Naidu. When MGR was CM, MSV arranged a programme to honour his "master" SM Subbiah Naidu. At first MGR refused to come because the Mottai Thalai and Muttai Kan genius Cho Ramasamy was appointed Master of Ceremony. Thuglak was at that time criticising the rule of MGR. But MGR finally obliged as SM Subbiah Naidu was a very intimate friend of MGR( Nadodi Mannan was by SMS Naidu)
7.SMS is affectionately called "Sangeethaiya" in the cine circles. He somehow never changed his trend much from the beginning days. He knew all the music of India, but never got interested in foreign tunes and music-so says Kannadasan. This is quite true.
These are the films wher SMS Naidu had been the MD:
1.Valmeegi
2.Kannika
3.Thigambara Sammiyar
4.Velaikkari-(with CRS)
5.Athisaya Penn
6.Nalla Theerpu
7.Deivamey Thunai
8.Nadodi Mannan(the songs Senthamizhey Vanakkam and Padu PAtta Thannaley are composed by NS Balakrishnan who was the MD for Ulagam Palavitham which has the song "Aasai Kanavey Nee Vaa, Vaa-Vaa Azhagu Chilaiyey Nee Vaa Vaa" by TMS and P.Leela)
9.Annaiyin aanai
10.Aalai Kandu Mayangathey
11.Ilangeswaran
12.Thirumanam( the only film where SMSN gave chance to AM Raja-Thanga Nilavil Kendai Irandu Thulli Thirivathundo)
13.Maragatham
14.Thirudathey
15.Konjum Salangai(I have given details about the song Singara Velaney Deva)
16.Aayiram Kaalathu Payir
17.Kalyaniyin Kanavan
18.Thayin Madiyil
19.Aasai Mugam
20.Uyir Mel Aasai
21.Sundara Murthy Nayanaar
23.Raja Veetu Pillai
24.Panakkara Pillai
25.Ainthu Latcham
26.Pennai Vazhavidungal
27.Mannippu
28.Vairakkiyam
29.Sabash Thamby.
30.Malaikkallan
31.Mangalya Bagyam-(with TG Lingappa and G.Ramanathan)
That's all I could quickly think of. This cannot be the final list, as many of his contributions have gone unrecorded in the 1940s.
Have you heard the song "Punnagai Yhavazhum Mathimugamo" what a great song from Maragatham. I am going to listen to it now.
BONES:
Please don't tell me to go to my store to dig up for more details. That will remind me of the "Karuvadu, Oorukai, kalluthanni and Millithanni" samacharam which you ignited earlier.
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