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ARR albums are commercially hit because of .......!? ARR albums are commercially hit because of .......!?

Topic started by G.T. Rajan (@ proxy-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Wed Aug 27 19:54:25 EDT 1997.
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From: G.T. Rajan (@ proxy-106.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Wed Aug 27 21:22:42 EDT 1997

Dear TFM's lovers,

I am new to this TFM page. For the past two week I am listening this page and enjoying.
I am a 100% suththamana agmark IR fan from te "touser age".

Here i whould to like list how ARR albums are commercially hit.

ARR's super duper hits:
1. ROJA
Maniratnam
2. THIRUDA THIRUDA
Maniratnam
3. BOMBAY
Maniratnam
4. GENTLE MAN
K.T. Kunjumon & sankar
5. KATHALAN
K.T. Kunjumon & Sankar
6. INDIAN
Sankar

Above albums are only super duper hits of ARR and see these films are produced or directed by Maniratnam, Shankar and K.T. Kunjumon. That's all.
Usshhh... Ussshh. Uoo
I am getting arrow from the ARR fans, because I have not included the superstars MUTHU, because if I did the music for that film, then also it will be super duper hit. Everybody know the reason why that film was super hit. (because of JJ and Super* politics) every news papers, magazines and everything is writing only about the rajini at that time... that is the separate story. Even though every wrote aha, oho in the magazines, but only two songs are super hit (oruvan oruvan and thillana thillna). At the time of MUTHU release balachander told in the SUNTV that, " In this film I used the world famous!@#@!? music director ARR, all songs are superhit and also rajini likes all the songs"
ARR fans know how many songs are really super hit on that film.... can any ARR fan answer for this? I am ready to fire(answer) for any questions.

Ok!

Lets come to the super duper flop albums of ARR...

1. VANDI SOLAI CHINRASU
Produced by Thirupur mani and *ing satyaraj.
Can any one of the ARR fan know that there was a song "parota parota"....?
How many songs are hit?...
After this film the producer thirupur mani never produce any films upto now!
After this film satyaraj never gave a success film upto now!

2. KILLAKKU CHIMAYILE
*ing vijaykumar, radhika
Direction: Bharathiraja
Produced by Kalaipuli S. Dhanu
The film was hit, but album was not super hit. I know most of the ARR fans also doen't like this album because some of the songs like "Ethukku pondati enna suththi vappati" are horrible.
I don't know why swarnalatha and diamond got a national award for the song "Porale ponnuthaye.." Isit worthfull song. Can any one please convience me.
After that the producer didn't produced any film for more than 3 years.
Now he produced the film "V.I.P" not with A.R. Rahman, with Ranjit parota, I think he does't want to lose money once again.

3. ANTHIMANTHARAI
* vijaykumar, jeyasutha
Produced and directed by Bharathiraja
How many ARR fans knows about this album? Can any one ready to discuss with me immediately?
After this bharathi raja went to deva. Everybody is telling that if anybody put the ARR rahman label and photo in the cassette then all cassettes will be sold within a minute (sony says that 5 lakhs cassettes witin in a day ... oh.. sorry within a week), i don't know why bharathi raja went to deva for his next film. Can any one answer for this? Pl. give some reasonable answers.

4. DUET
*ing prabhu, meenakshi
Produced and directed by K. balachander
This film was super duper mega flop.
Sombody may say songs were very good and also lot of cassettes were sold.
Sorry!
At the same day VEERA (Super * and IR combination) was released. Everybody knows that VEERA album and film was super duper hit. Purposely KB released the DUET to prove ARR is better than IR
But unfortunately.....
I don't know why he went to DEVA for his next film, eventhough he has a world famous*&^% music director ( he only introduced ARR)

5. LOVE BIRDS
*ing prabhu deva
produced by PYRAMID audio V. Natarajan (previously a coproducer of kavithalaya)
This album was super duper flop.
Producer lost all the money only because of MUSIC (for one song appachi indian is ..... and etc....)
Now he is producing a new films because of two KR's. One is director another one is music director. He produced a low budget film "Ennakoru magan pirappan". This film ran more than 100 days.

6. PUTHIYA MANNARKAL
*ing Vikram, mohini
produced by Super good films.
directed by VIKRAMAN
This album and film was super duper flop. Can any one of ARR fans list what are the songs in this album?

7. Mr. ROMEO
*ing Prabhu deva, madhubala, chilba
Produced by Super hit films.
After this film producer new did a film with ARR. For his high budget Vidyasagar and his low budget S.A.RAJkumar.
At the same time IR's POOMANI was release. POOMANI, ALEXANDER, AVVAI SHANMUGI albums were sold more than that Mr. ROMEO's album.

8. MAY MATHAM
*ing vinith, sonuvaliya
Direction..?
produced by...?
This album and film was utter flop.
Only ARR fans know the song "enmale villuntha malaithuliye" song
Some may knows "Margalipoove"

10. INDIRA
*ing Aravindasamy, ?
Produced by G.V. films G. Venkateswaran
Directed by suhasini maniratnam
This film and album was super duper flop. Only ARR fans knows very well about the song "thoda thoda malarnthathenna".
After this film suhasini stoped her direction.
After this film GV never produced any film upto now.
Before releasing this album "INDIRA", he gave some money to the INDIA TODAY editor (I think..) to write about the ARR. I think ARR fan knows about this article. That was the cover story about the ARR, and inside that article our G.V.'s big photo with the laughing style and he stated that "IR is out of order, now ARR is the only man he can give commercially hit albums and ........)
After releasing the "INDIRA" i don't know what he realise about the above statement.

11. KATHAL DESAM
*ing abbas, vinith
Only one song is super duper hit (mustafa mustafa)
others are just like that.
This is not commercially that much hit, because Ullathai alli thaa album was sold lot at that time. All songs are super duper hit in Ullathai alli thaa. But in the SUNTV's philps super top ten of the year "mustafa mustafa" was first. Everybody knows philps super 10 was based only on BRAND name, not on the cassette sales. If rajini film was released then that was first in the top ten, otherwise ARR. Upto now SUNTV is following this policy. Because they are thinking that knowbody will beat SUNTV, and they can do anything... But oneday competition will come at that time......

I will continue tomorrow.....
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Thu Aug 28 01:42:56 EDT 1997

Are we expected to respond are wait till you finish?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Aug 28 03:35:16 EDT 1997

Rajan:

Neenga ezhuthurathu "biased"aaga enakku pattaalum,
nallaaththaan irukku padikka; neengal naalai
ezhuthap pOvathai aavaludan edhirpaarkkiREn.
"Karuththammaa" patri onnum sollalE? Naalai
solluveengaLO?
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu Aug 28 04:57:11 EDT 1997

Rajan - for an anti-ARR, you seem to know plenty about his songs and movies.
You call Kilakku Cheemailyiley, Duet, Mr. Romeo, May Maatham, Indra and Kathal Desam songs as flops/duds?!?!?!?! Then you must have a new meaning for flops/duds!!
It's a pity I don't have time to go over your arguments piece by piece, today. Pardon me, but your arguments are just waiting to be exploded!! :-)
Neenga nechayama IR fan(atic)-kaaga thaan irukkaveindum! Yein ithenei koabam? Perunthanmeiyaa credit koduka veindiya idathil koduthidungelehn!
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Thu Aug 28 07:53:42 EDT 1997

How about Uzhavan and Pavithra? Are they scored by ARR?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-to03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 10:25:41 EDT 1997

Rajan:
I think you are doing a great job in compiling an ARR filmology, despite some bias against ARR. I do like your realistic analysis which treats the film world as a fiercely competitive business, where successes and failures are determined by market conditions, and not just by talent (any one's); which movie was released simultaneously/ which actor/ who the other MD's are etc. etc. do influence the mass audience's perceptions and evaluations. Looking forward to your next installment.......
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td63.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 12:32:35 EDT 1997

Rajan:
Will you be including Thirudaa Thirudaa in your next analysis?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-td63.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 12:33:43 EDT 1997

Rajan:
Please ignore my previous query--noticed TT listed at the top.
From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Thu Aug 28 12:39:21 EDT 1997

Rajan:
From my observation, these are the movies that became super hits:
Roja - 1992
Pudhiya Mugam
Gentleman
Kaadhalan
Muthu
Bombay
Karuthamma
Minsaara Kanavu - 1997

And here are the flops:
Indira
Duet
Andhi Mandharai
Pavithra
Mr.Romeo
Kadhal dhesam
Kizhakku SeemaiyilE
Vandicholai chinraasu
thiruda thiruda
May madham
Love birds
Uzhavan

I think it is too early to compare ARR with IR. ARR has composed music for about 20 movies in 5 years. IR has composed music for 700 films in 20 years. Where can be the comparison? Even with good songs lot of movies do flop because the movies produced nowadays are total crap. So, a MD's credibility cannot be judged by the no. of hit movies he is making. IMO, IR is the greatest composer of all times because he has given music for 30 films in a year and has given innumerable number of excellent songs and I doubt if any other MD could do such things in the future.

NOV:
From what I understand Rajan means that these films were flops and not the songs:
Here are the songs that became popular in these movies:
Kaadhal Dhesam - Mustafa Mustafa
Kizhakku seemaiyilE - aathangara maramE, maanuthu mandhayiLE
Duet - Anjali anjali, sokkupodi meenakshi
May mAdham - margazhi poovE, enmael vizhundha mazhai thuliyE
Indra - thoda thoda malarndhadhenna, ootakkara marimuthu, nila kaygiradhu
But I doubt if Mr.Romeo had any good songs :-(

I personally feel that ARR has made it to the top because he has given a different kind of music after Raaja. Raaja was ruling TFM for 20 years and did excellent give music which made people long for music than the movie. But like the proverb "pazhaiyana kazhidhalum pudhiyana pugadhulam" , ARR's music was welcomed like a breath of fresh air. Raaja might quit or stay in TFM but it is difficult for him to make an impact in people's minds again until he attempts some thing that will make heads turn. So, ARR is ruling the roose as it is HIS DAY. But, it is a doubt if ARR can stay for long in TFM as IR did because, even after composing music for fewer number of films in 5 years ARR's music seems repetitive.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ty03.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 14:09:52 EDT 1997

Let's not forget one crucial factor influencing ARR's selective commercial and some critical success within the last five years: The New Generation.

There is a whole new generation (or two) which has been wired to the entire globe through satellite technologies, watching the world getting smaller, blurring the cultures into fusion. This New Generation cuts across young & old, rich & poor, North & South, literate & illiterate. Specific to TFM, ARR fills a void in TFM-dom for this New Generation. ARR is not "in" because he is new; he is "cool" because he satisfies a set of needs for this MTV generation.

Longevity is fast becoming an old-fashioned word: MSV has it even now; IR has reigned for two decades; EVEN IF ARR has the genius & gnaanam will he have such longevity? I don't think so---variety is going to be very much the spice of life for this New Generation and the Next Generations.

Rajan, looking forward to the next installment of your analysis............
From: Kitcha (@ dhcp232-193.eel.ufl.edu) on: Thu Aug 28 14:57:50 EDT 1997

Rajan:
I doubt if you could see a more biased report in this forum and I thought I was biased....

T'was good to read but it sounded like you were blasting ARR just for the sake of it.....
I was brought up listening to IR's music and I still do and will do as long he produces it..!
But I don't think I could ever agree with you.
Your argument was mostly hollow and I agree with my NOV annathey this time.

Now you started off the topic asking why ARR's music was "commercial" hits.Just look at it this way.ARR's songs are lapped up by such a lot of people and it is the people who make them hits.So do you think the people out there are fools?

And what do you mean Kadhalan,Roja etc were hits because of their directors.Do you really believe people went to see Kadhalan because it had Shankar's name on it? Or maybe Gentleman which was Shankar's debut..I thought Roja had pleasing music and was definitely one of the reasons for its success.

And I'm sorry you do not know much about his other movies.Even a staunch IR fan cannot escape ARR's stuff on TV unless he decides to switch it off,of course.Do you really mean to say you have'nt seen/heard "Nee kettum selai madippile" from Pudhiya Manargal or "Romeo aatam pottal" from Mr.Romeo. Now come on Rajan,that's exaggerating things a bit.....

And how can you say Satyaraj's movies are bombing because of ARR's music for that one movie.(BTW the song "senthamizh naatu thamizhachi' was a rage).
And did Suhasini tell you that she stopped making movies after Indra because of ARR's music.
Mighty convoluted logic really.....!!!!

And don't tell me KadhalDesam had only 1 hit song.MustafaMustafa has become a 2nd anthem in colleges and you could always hear ARR screeching 'Kalluri Saalai","Helloo Doctor' in every corner..
And if "Enakkoru Magan..'is a hit,then KadhalDesam is a hit too...BTW can you tell me about the songs in 'Enakkoru...".? I'd like to know about it though I have the cassette with me.

Maybe this might sound like I've moved into ARR territory but personally I'll take IR anyday....

The advent of cableTV and ARR's entry into films were coincidental and he had that powerful media called TV which advertised his songs freely.And ofcourse there was that extra hype for all his movies and people started buying his music before even listening to it. Its like this....An ARR audio cassette is released,say,2weeks before the movie is released.It sells something like 4-5lacs and so,is heard by about 10lac people more.
This is enough time for the music to grow on you and you are ready to see it on screen.With DTS,special effects,classic picturisaton the song becomes a hit.The movie,if it has a tolerable storyline,runs for 100-150 days. But after that...the song becomes nearly extinct ,but by the time the masses are ready for his next album.

Not even a ARR fan could listen to his ChikkuBukku os maybe Muqaala now.There has been such a overdose of these songs on TV/radio that it becomes stale.But DEFINITELY not so in the case of IR....His songs can never die....

But when it comes to a IR movie,the masses are not ready to buy his cassettes anymore(God knows why?)
and so nobody knows about his songs and it just fizzles out..Neither does IR get too many good movies now,so its only natural.

Hope I got through..........???
From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Thu Aug 28 15:37:50 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
I am sorry to deviate from the topic. But Icannot accept that ARR also has the gnanam and genius. He may be a good MD. But it is a known fact that he copies from western music and most of his songs are not original. If the current generation is MTV generation, how is that they do not know that ARR copies songs as a whole from Western Music. Still illiterates are more in our country. Why is that Nattupura paatu and Karagattakaran ran in all villages in TFM - It ran only because of songs with grama manam. Do you think that in villages people can accept "aathangara maramE" in "kizhakku seemayiLE" as a folklore? India is still living in its villages and tamil film music reached villages only in the case of Ilayaraaja.
Because ARR introduced Western Music does not mean that he has revolutionized Indian Music and made it popular all over India. IR did rule for 2 decades because of his greatness and musical genius and not simply because he was an ALSO RAN composer.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-te02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 17:41:01 EDT 1997

CP--Response to your Digression:
1. Please read my statement as it is meant to be read: "EVEN IF" ARR has the genius/gnanam he will not have the longevity,in my opinion, because longevity is a fast-disappearing concept---- major values/lifestyle/attitude studies on India bear me out on that, with acceptable statistical errors. Do not read it as an attack on IR, or as a statement that ARR is a genius/gnani and get defensive. (IMHO, those are huge words with a lot of meaning and are not to be thrown around casually, even though in the film world everyone has to have a title.)

2. While all of us know for a fact that IR's initial strength and charm did derive from his Mann vaasanai songs, I do not agree that IR brought TFM to villages. That, in my opinion, is an overstatement; with 80-90% of the Indian poulation living in the rural areas especially in the olden days, before the growth of industrialized urban metropolitan areas of today, your logic states tht 80-90% of the Indians/ Thamizhs had little awareness/appreciation of film music before IR???????!!!!!!!!!

3. Please read the definition of the New Generation carefully. It's not that everyone in India has become an expert in western music so as to recognize the copies of ARR (or IR); the point is there's more exposure and acceptance of fusion music due to mass world media and, therefore, of ARR.
(If you wish to continue this discussion, let's e-mail each other; I think we've been disruptive enough as it is!)
From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Aug 28 19:26:26 EDT 1997

Please let's restrict restrict ourselves to the analysis of ARR's music
and the success/failure of his films. Let's not let it degenerate into
an IR/ARR comparison non-sense. I think GTR brought out an interesting
observation and let's wait for him to complete his analysis.

To cp and kAnchanA:

If you carry on the digression through personal emails can Ihave a
copy too? Thanks.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-to02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 28 19:57:55 EDT 1997

AruLarasan:
1. Sure thing, will keep you in the loop too if cp & I continue her/our digression!
2. As you'd note from my responses I agree GTR is approaching this ARR issue differently, and should be heard out (even though his motivations are not ideal).
3. I did not notice this discussion "degenerating" into an ARR-IR comparison, as you've said, at least not yet! What I am noticing is the fact some of the IR fans in this forum have "grown" and matured in front of my own eyes---some of these were bashing ARR a few months back to prove IR's superiority. But now I see a slightly balanced approach where their loyalty and respect for IR stay the same, and they can distance ARR from IR and talk about him normally. That is personal growth, definitely! (Apologies if this compliment is too personal.)

Rajan, where are you and your analysis?
From: G. T. Rajan (@ proxy-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Thu Aug 28 21:54:11 EDT 1997

I am continuing....

Some of them are deviating this discussion....that ARR is best ...but IR is good.... but ARR is great..... but IR is....

No! No! No!

Here I am only only only.... discussing about commercial hits(cassette sales) ....whether the song is good or bad...
Everybody is telling that if anybody put the ARR name or photo then that album will be sold with in a minute about lakshs and lakshs of cassettes.
Isit true!
After seeing the above flop list i want to know whether the above nonsense statement is correct or not.
Somebody saying that this and that song was very good and everybody likes very much, so that album was super duper hit. Here everything is with money. Why sony is saying that, that cassette was sold that much.. like statements? Is there any statistics about the previous albums that are produced by sony?
Only for this!
Why?
This is the business trick.
They are trying to get the album of ........ (I think everybody understand the concept...)
This is business.
Nobody advertised for the How to name it? and Nothing but wind.
There is no chalra koshti like SUNTV.. and other stuffs.

So here nobody bother about whether the song is good or bad only, because of brand names and chalra's and etc...

Why somebody is seeing only maniratnam and KB films? Nowadays Shankar films.

Why somebody is buying only Raymonds shirts, eventhough some of them are looking bad?

All the business tricks are with the brand name.

come to the point...

Eventhough they are putting ARR brand why all the cassettess are not super duper hit or atleast 50%?
What is the reason?

Why everybody is saying that ARR is the only man who will lift the TFM from the flood?

When we see the above statistics except maniratnam, K.T.Kujumon and shankar all others producers and directors are laid down in the dig.

I think now maniratnam is also included in that list because of IRUVAR.
Don't say - story is different and songs are very good, but people didn't ....

Now-a-days number of benefiters are decreasing..

I will continue this discussion after giving the some other flop list.

12. ULAVAN
*ing Prabhu
Directed by kathir
After IDHAYAM, kathir done this film.
This was also super duper mega flop.
There are 5 songs in this.
ARR fans can remember only "Pennalla pennalla" and some tenagers can remember "rakoli" because of ......
After this film Prabhu never gave a success film.
But kathir got up because of K.T.kunjumon
Producer went to palani after this film

13. PAVITHRA
*ing nazer, rathika, ajith..
Produced and directed by K. Subash
He gave lot of super hit films like Sathriyan, Pramma, and some other films.
how many of them knows that there is an "eechampalam navapalam" songs?
Some may say sevvanam song is good, but the original was...?
After this film subash never produced and directed any films upto now.

14. PUDHIYAMUGAM
*ing, produced, directed by suresh menon and revathi.
only two songs are hit "netru illatha" and "kannukku"
The film was utter flop and also cassttee sales too. This was told by revathi itself in one of her interview.
After this film revathi and sureshmenon never produced and directed uptonow.

15. KARUTHAMMA
*ing raja, maheswari
directed by bharathi raja
I don't know why diamond and swarnalatha got the national award for that song. National award is that cheap?
Cassetter sale was.....? ARR fan knows about this...?
I don't know how many ARR fans has this album.....?
don't say "kadu potta kadu" song was super. If any one wants to listen bharathiraja's voice pl. buy this album immediately. Yappa! suresh peter's voice is beter!
In one interview, bharathi raja told that:
"naan padaporen-nnu IR -ta sonn-ean, otaney IR yelunthu ulla poyittaar..
but ARR gave the chance for me .......... he is a good music director yenna avarta music poda kuduthutu maranthidanum, oru nal avere koopitu onga padam mudinchiduchinnu solvar - ------ Intha method enakku romba pidichirukku, en-na oru kalaiganai avan pokkula vittudanum appo tha-n nammakku nalla music kidaikkum"
one nirubar is asking the following question:
Q: Aa-na, IR house-kku oru sunday andru poye, ennakku oru nalla idea kidachirukku, o-dane ennakku pattu pottu kodu endru kettathukku IR maruthathall tha-ne ne-ingal IR'a vittu vellkineerkal... athu mattum eppadi....?
A: A.. am..athu.. athu vanthu avarala eppa venumnalum panna mudiyum, irundhalum ARR....
It is going on like this...

16. MINSARA KANAVU
I don't want to explain more about this album. Because everybody knows how much money was spend only for the advertisement and how much money was spend for the 5 national awards.
Muthan muthala america-vila ka-ladi eduthu vachavudane, i heared the humming "Oooo la la Lah Oo-oo la la lah" , i was wonder that ... oh! this song was hit here also! after the humming only i realised that, that was english song.... Oh. God.
after some days I saw one album in the M TV, the picturisation was (some part) as same as the above song picturisation. Wow! what a improvement
This song has three pieces, two are lifted and the other one was our famous "dappangkuthu"
In one interview, one of the producer told that cassette sales were good only in cities in other side it is not doing well"

17. IRUVAR
what can i say about this?
Somemay argue songs are good. But what happened to cassette sale?
Maniratnam return some of the money back to ......? I really apreciate for this!

I think this list is enough for the people who doesn't know the commercial hits of ARR.

Everybody is saying that all producers and directors are leaving from IR camp.
What is happening with ARR? From the above list you can easily know that only 3 of them are repetedly doing, others are already felt down to the...

Last year, eventhough INDIAN was commercially hit, it ran 210 days.
But one film ran 250 days for a single song, (1996). can any one guess?

If you know any minister, then you can get or give all alwa to everybody.. others will put some chalra... Like that only ARR came top in the TFM not because of his talent. There is a lot of anti-IR chalra's are there to lift the ARR. You can realise this. This is true.

But nobody was there when IR came to the field, that's why it takes lot of years to get awards and etc...etc...

In the IR period lot of producers are new and with low money.. Now also that producers (90%) are in top position, not like above list.
You can analize it.

Now I am in USA. When i was in Virudhunagar(my native place), i went to my school to see the Multimedia kit. My friend is the head of the department, so he told me that rajan, we are having one CD to compose the song it is ROck 'n Roll pop up CD.
He told me to compose a song. The song composing is very easy. There are 100's of pieces of music was there with some title and number. You can choose the number randomly and make some order. like 6 4 8 9 10 38. If you press start button, it will play the 6th piece first and 4th piece second and 8th piece third likewise it will go on. After the 38th piece it will once again start from 6. Imagine that how many songs we can get from this cd itself.
Unfortunately i choosed the order 1, so it start with 1 and it will be continued with 1 again and again.
You will not believe this, It is playing some portion of the BGM of the MUTHU song "oruvan oruvan muthalali"

Nowadays song composing is very easy, but I don't know why he is taking lot of time for the composing, eventhough
7
he is having 2 tracks (128) and high speed processors and everything..

Because of ARR, nowadays people are in confusion that which one is good and which one is not good. Nowadays TFM has Junk of songs. Everybody is doing some nonsense and some sense music.
So people are not in...........

Once again I am telling this is only only only commercial hits statistics only only (vunmai endrum kasakkum) not other than that.

I am expecting good or bad arrows from the TFM lover.

Thank you.
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Fri Aug 29 04:54:11 EDT 1997

Request
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First and foremost request - Please do not bring IR into this Discussion. CP is guilty of this. As the starter of the topic GTRajan mentioned, this is to analyse ARR.

Coming to the list:
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First of all, there are two issues attached to the success status of each album - the album was a hit / the movie was a hit. Apart from this, the entire album may not be a hit. Eg. Only 'nI kattum sElai' was a hit in 'puthiya mannargaL'. So if more than 50% of an album is not a hit, then we have to assume that the album is a flop.

1. rOja - songs super hit - movie super hit
2. thirudaa thirudaa - songs hit - movie flopped
3. bambaai - songs hit - movie flopped (beleive me! it was a flop in TN)
4. gentleman - songs super hit - movie super hit
5. kaathalan - songs super hit - movie super hit
6. Indian - songs hit - movie hit
7. muththu - songs hit - movie hit

Second list of GTR

1. vaNdi. chinraasu - songs super flop - movie super flop
2. kizakkuch chImailE - songs hit - movie hit
3. anthimanthaarai - songs super flop - movie super flop
4. duet - songs super hit - movie flop
5. love birds - songs flop - movie super flop
6. puthiya mannarkaL - songs super flop - movie super flop
7. Mr. rOmiyO - songs flop - movie super flop
8. mE maatham - songs flop - movie super flop
9. indira - songs flop - movie flop
10. kaathal dEsam - songs hit - movie flop
11. uzhavan - songs super flop - movie super flop
12. pavithra - songs super flop - movie super flop
13. puthiyamugam - songs hit - movie hit
14. karuththammaa - songs hit - movie flop
15. minsaarak kanavu - songs super hit - movie hit
16. iruvar - songs flop - movie super flop
17. asokan - songs flop - movie flop
18. super police - songs flop - movie flop

Score out of 25:

Hit songs: 13
Hit movies: 8

Clarifications:
---------------------

Duet songs were super hit.
Revathi and Suresh Menon did 'paasamalargaL' with VSNarasimhan after puthiya mugam and that was a disaster.
I think the movie which ran for 250 days because of one song was 'uLLaththai aLLiththaa' - azhagiya lailaa.

Conclusions
------------------

1) After an initial few genuine hits of ARR, producers thought that they can make fast money through ARR's name and queued behind him.
2) All anti IR people in TF KB, Vairamuthu, BR started hailing ARR like anything and inreased the hype.
3) Satellite TV helped promoting ALL NEWLY RELEASED songs. So all songs will be played atleast 5 times a week. Hit songs are shown 10 times. Programs like 'neengaL kEtta paadal', 'puthiya gItham', ungaL choice' (Half of them stage directed) etc, repeat telecast, in all 3 channels (4 till last year) makes any song popular. So all songs of ARR, Deva, Sirpi, VSaagar become popular as they are the active MDs now. Off these, certainly ARR is different and hence his songs are heard more.
4) Under the cover of 'encouraging' a new guy, all magazines hyped up all his songs. Kumudham said that the + point of Mr.Romeo is the music.
5) You have guys like Kunjumon who funds the theatres to run his movies for a long time, just to show that they are hits - kaathal dEsam would not have managed even 15 days without this.
6) On top of all these, guys like M.J.Akbar hype up his Vande Maatharam saying that a Muslim has sung vandE maatharam - and all that stuff. Ananda Vikatan makes special mention to that.

Do you think that a smart enough person, with immense copying talents, cannot become a hit even after all these?
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Aug 29 05:15:05 EDT 1997

I have yet to digest the immense information thrown by GTR as I am still struggling through the humoungous amount of words and sift out what he wants to say! :-)
Before I proceed further, can I ask GTR, where he gets the information and whether it is valid. Is it just based on hearsay or on hard facts. It will be interesting to know how come GTR has access to business statistics.
Phew!! I will come back later for a complete analysis.
Aravind started out very analytically, but his conclusions are difficult to swallow! Do you mean to say that everybody (from the media, cinema industry, etc) are throwing their full support behind ARR - who is quite talentless??? And may I ask why was he singled out?
Even Michael Jackson does not have that kind of support - and (I hope you agree with me) he is quite talented!
Amidst all these slandering and mud-slinging, I can only see one thing - the green-eyed monster called ENVY! Please correct me if I am wrong.
From: G.T.Rajan (@ proxy-113.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Fri Aug 29 08:06:50 EDT 1997

Dear TFM lovers,
I am ready to argue for this query furthermore after some more responses from TFM lovers.

another think, the film which ran more than 200 songs for a single song in not "Ullathai alli thaa", pl. guess some other!
From: Kanchana (@ ww-ti22.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 29 09:25:52 EDT 1997

NOV:
I actually do have access to the real statistics on the business aspect (sales $, trends, consumer perceptions) regarding the entertainment industry here in the U.S. and in India, since that and dealing with some of these people we are talking about are all common in my line of business. But, I cannot share that information here for obvious reasons.

GTR:
Thank you for your interesting analysis. As I said before, I like the fact you talked about the film world as a real business. I cannot comment on your facts due to my business ethics, but let me just say this: film world has always been influenced by personal politics and money from yester-years to today, and not just by talent. Due to the increased cash flow in today's economy and the open-market multi-national business environment , the degree to which things happen are more obvious and are at a much larger scale which actually blows my mind and everyone else's who grew up in the socialistic, closed economy of yesterday's India!
Thank you, once again.
From: puriya_vaipavan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Aug 29 09:58:28 EDT 1997

GTR:

DUET vs VEERA:
Whatever the analysis you gave for MUTHU also
goes for VEERA. Even if you had scored for
VEERA - it would have been megahit because of
RAJINI. So according to your analysis IR did
nothing for veera - neenga vetina kuzila neengalE
vizunthAchu.

KILAKU SEEMAIELE:
This movie had two great songs:
Manuthu manthailE & Athangarai maramE.
You know what BRaaja said about the ARR -
"most satisfying MD from his experience"
- you know that IR was the ONLY other MD he
worked with (except Kodi parakuthu & Captain magal)
If KSeemai had that "vapati" song - VEERA had
athai vida mattamAna song - where ROJA shows
everything.
From: so_they_left_who_cares (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Aug 29 10:05:11 EDT 1997

PUTHIYA MANNARGAL:
had two veru good song "adida intha sooriya mElam" and one more - basically it is a TELEGU dubbing.

Producers, Directors leaving ARR is NOT because
of his music quality - but for the money and the
time he takes.
ARR is smart than SOMEBODY who accepted every movie
and gave mediocre songs.
"Also Dirs./Producers leaving MDs" theory is
applicable to MSV & IR too!!!!!
From: with-no-music-done-NAME-got-used (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Aug 29 10:20:55 EDT 1997

ANTHIMANTHARAI:
you don't know the true story behind this movie.
originally it was released with NO MD and songs.
Later when this movie got the TAX break from
the Govt. - just for commercial purpose - BRajaa
asked to use few songs from ARR's pre-cinema time
album. ARR didn't tune any song for the movie.
From: karna-kodoorap-paatu (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Aug 29 10:38:38 EDT 1997

KARUTHAMMA:
had two GREAT songs - "pOrALE ponnuththAie"
definitely it is a National Award level song
(when compare to MKanavugal - thangath thAmarai)

Another one is "then mErku paruvak kAtru THENI pakkam veesum pOthu mazai peiyum"
(pun intended for DIAMUNDU).

when national award was given to IR, it was
great but given to ARR endrAl vaza-vaza-koza-koza
explanation + money played the role !!!!
ennanga - intha logic sariyAvE illaiyE

Also "kaadu pottak kaadu" was BRaaja's 2nd song.
First one is from Puthiya vArpugaL - which is
maga karna-kodooram (what has "KARNA" todo
with kodooram - mythological explanation needed)

IRUVAR:
makkal didn't like the movie (personaly I liked
the first part very much) and inspite of that
audio sales was pretty good.
ARR did a different OLD+NEW mix kind of music.
From: ARR-redeifned-thuLLal (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Aug 29 10:44:15 EDT 1997

KATHAL DESAM:
SUN-TV politics theory has flaws. KDesam
produced by kunjumon - JayalaithA's staunch
supporter - if SUN-TV has to play politics - they
would have stopped the songs from 1st place -just
for this one reason. They didn't.
Machi! It was MAKKAL's THEERPU (also MAGESAN's theerpu).
unnaik kAnavillaiyE nEtrOdu - was a very good songyA.
kaloori sAlai - beat pinnitAndi!
From: Thomas (@ access-isdn1-41.oz.psu.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 10:51:45 EDT 1997

I'm am a college student in USA who started the new semster yesterday. And on the 1st day in my World Music class we were talking about Illayaraja, so just lay off him ok!!! He is beyond anything!!
As for ARR, he is the much needed change that TFM fans and Indian music fans as a whole were waiting for. His music is different, and it has a lot to offer!
You, are just bashing him just for the sake of it! You hate him and you will say that no matter how many times people prove over and over that ARR is the genius that he is!
From: Siva (@ proxy-116.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Fri Aug 29 11:01:00 EDT 1997

Hi TFM pals,
I've been watching thro' all these discussions from the start and i was amazed to see people's analyzing skills in the hot topic and at the outset i thank Kitcha, Arvind, Nov, GTR & Kanchana, Sathya keerthi and others( sorry I had left out any names ) I want to participate in the discussion which has now grown much as a TFM lover and not as a supporter of any MD. But i wanted to say that I'm an IR fan. But as I told earlier I'm entering this dicussion as a TFM lover only.
First of all i don't want to compare two MDs who belong to 2 different arenas.
But talking about ARR and his so called hit/flop movies/songs, many of them had written the statistics of the songs.
Sales of album does not reflect the talent of the MD.May be we can say he has utilised the the Western interest of the people and jeorpadised people with their ignorance. Not to say that he has never scored good music but he is not as consistent as IR.
'Karuthamma' cannot be included as native music. The movie that GTR told the hit of 1996 was not UllathaiAllitha
It is Nattupppurapattu. That was one of the fine example for the native music after Manvasanai.
Somebody denied that ARR's music has nothing to do with Big banners. But I want to say that friend that Big Banners has very much impact over his music. I'm saying this because I was technically associated with Media Industry for quite more than 2 years before I came here to US. KTK spends more than 35lacs for ad & publicity, which is normally a budget for a small scale movie with average artists. So KTK's mentality will be towards earning his profit . So he wants to publisize his movie in all possible crap ways hoping to make it a success at least in any aspect.
Few years back at one point of time after MSV lost his market there were only very few MDs other than IR. Those people we know were Shanker Ganesh, Narasimhan etc., But they weren't very good. So literally all producers and music directors approached IR. He was not able to accept all offers and at one point it created hatred among some Popular directors like KB. Bharathiraja and producers like AVM etc., They thought IR is very proud and asks so much money to score music. Since ARR arose at that time and also he was one of the leading Key board players in IR's team, all these guys thought he will be the right person to oppose IR.
So they started supporting ARR. This is one of the main reasons for his popularity. But he had some talents to satisfy those supporters of him. Roja was undoubtedly a very fine piece of music. But after that he has never proved to be that much. Every piece of his music has been reframed from many of Western Jazz and Hard rock. He says his music is a 'Jam' type. But jam cannot be heard for long time. Even now people love to hear AM raja. can any body say how many hear gentleman now?
Then coming to the sale of albums, there are different kind calculations we can make out from sales of albums. First sale( As soon as the album released) will show the impact of the Advertising, Star value , Banner and of course MD also. But not MD alone. Second sale(after the movie is released)is based on the sucess of the movie.
Third Sale(after quite a long time)
is the sale which is based on the songs and music alone.
Only this sale shows the performance of the Music Director.
Can anybody say one of his 20 movies which has a record in the Third sale.
None other than Roja was sold.
I stop my discussion for momentarily and continue after hearing the comments from you guys .
Bye for just now.
From: Kitcha (@ dhcp232-184.eel.ufl.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 12:41:51 EDT 1997

Hey Thomas,
You really know how to make some people happy,don't you?That was one great piece of info and thanks a lot..."Manasu kulurndhidichu"
BTW can you tell me which college that is...?

(Sorry for this "maha" digression,all ye digressors!)....
From: Thomas (@ access-isdn1-28.oz.psu.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 13:04:03 EDT 1997

Kitcha:
I go to Penn State Univ. Thanks a lot for your comment.
From: Bones-ukkae puriya vaippavan (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Fri Aug 29 13:20:54 EDT 1997

Bones:

It is not 'Karna Kodooram' ; it is 'Karna kadooram'.

'KarNa - Kaadhu (ear) not the mythological Karnan.(original word is karNam - sanskrit)
Kadooram - painful, not pleasing to..

In short karNa kadooram means cacaphony.
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Aug 29 14:32:03 EDT 1997

To Bones :

ARR did score music for Andhi Mandharai. In an interview he mentioned about AM and he said 'romba aathmaarthamaga paNNik koNdirukkiRen'. I saw the movie (a piece of total junk - fooled the public, critics and managed to win a national award : this coming from a BR fan) in the theatre. I don't remember any songs (may be BG) but there were audio cassette sales with ARR's songs - mainly for the publicity.
From: cp (@ host-207-53-3-192.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Fri Aug 29 15:33:59 EDT 1997

To Aravind:
Please No Personal Offence. I had discussed an issue with Kanchana only and I had given my general opinion about ARR's popularity too in my first response. Its really funny that I am being pointed out as guilty,etc. etc. when deviation from the topic happens in all topics and the discussion ends up somewhere. I am sorry to say that your statement really hurts. And there is no topic which does not end up with discussing about IR.

To Kanchana:
I am sorry to say that I did not clearly understand your statement about ARR. I like ARR's songs but I feel that he songs does not have much of gramiya vasanai.

Answer to this topic's question:
ARR's albums are commercially hit because:
Very simple - his songs are really good and people love his songs. He has made people forget IR. All his songs may not be evergreen hits like Raja's but still it makes a person listen to it more than once. He may have copied or flicked bits and pieces. But people do not care. They just listen to his songs and enjoy. Obviously, when people like his songs the casette sales will go high and thus he is commercially hit. And he will remain at the top until people get tired of his music or until another MD with a different music rocks the TFM industry. That's it.
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Aug 29 15:40:05 EDT 1997

ARR has said that his music is like anybody else's only in a different package. ARR also has mentioned that people started listening to him because they wanted a change from IR. (Aug 24 Vikatan - not in internet. Check print edition).
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 15:51:27 EDT 1997

Expanding on pg's posting: kE: neenga ivaLavu veRRI peRRAthukku kaaraNam enna?
ARR: enna thaan periya isai kalainganA irundhaalum athu oru kaalathil 'saturation' levelukku vanthurum! 'bore'adikkuthunnu makkaL oru kattathil nianikka aarambippaanga. appa vEru yaaravahtu puthumaiyaana sinthanayOda vanthA, avanga music hit aayidum! ennudaya music hit aanathu ippadi thaan! innum kEtta, ennudaya musickum enakku munnaadi pOttuirundhavanga music maathiri thaan. aanA, ennudaya capsule - paaththiram puthusu!
In response to another Q, ARR has replied that both 'thamizhA thamizhA' and 'vantE maataram' were tunes scored by him before he came to cine field. appavE oru patriotic album pOdanumgra ideavOda compose pannathaam. appuram nEram kidaikkum pOthu use panni irukkaar.
From: easwaran hariharan (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Aug 29 17:37:35 EDT 1997

GTR,
I did not buy the theory that ARR got fame bcos of Anti IR wave in the industry.It was there even b4 ARR arrived. Chandra bose, maragatha mani and even vidyasagar after his success in karna got offers from leading actors and directors, in the past. . But they were not talented enough to sustain it. But ARR did it and still he continues to do it.I have to say that even an obscure ARR album has atleast one good song.
If he is doing few films, bcos he knows what is best for him, thats all.
Still I could remember the first time, when I realised his immense popularity. It was pepsi ungal choice program in sun tv 3 years back.. Almost all the songs played at that time was from ARR film ( like Duet, may matham, ullavan(yes)). It is not wrong to say that he changed the TFM color completely.
It is ARR time people , why can't we just sit peacefully and enjoy it?.

e.hari
From: Kesav (@ intelli115.intellimatch.com) on: Fri Aug 29 17:37:57 EDT 1997

This is in response to Bones mentioning "IR was the ONLY other MD he worked with (except Kodi parakuthu & Captain magal)" when he was writing about Kizakku CheemayilE. ( Maybe he was just talking about the time till BR worked on that film.) But for some reason, BR was dissatisfied with ARR and went to Vidyasagar for one movie. I don't remember the name of the movie but it came out in '95 (and I think had Prabhu in it). But BR came to ARR again. Also, around the same time, I read an article in the Sunday section in Hindu, which discussed I'raja's music in BR's films. I don't remember much about it but I do remember that in the last para of that article, the author says (I am paraphrasing) that after such a good association with I'raja, it was a pity that BR had to go to ARR who didn't give good music to a 'gramiya' film. The author's personal opinion, of course, but I like ARR music in Kizakku CheemayilE. ( Did I digress a lot? )
From: Ravy (@ ww-ty01.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 29 17:53:47 EDT 1997

Thomas:

IR is being discussed under World Music topic?
Thomas could you be more specific? Was he discussed because he scored music for 800+ films or for his NBW, HTNI and Symphony works? If the former is true then ARR also will be discussed in a few years.
From: Thomas (@ access-isdn1-34.oz.psu.edu) on: Fri Aug 29 21:27:13 EDT 1997

Ravy,
In my particular class, he was introduced as a popular film music director from the south who has composed for more than 500+ films. (is it really 800+?) Then we went on to discuss that for Illayaraja anything goes, he is willing to try anything in his works. So the answer to your question is all of the above. And yes, I have no doubt ARR will also make it into the history books at the rate that he is charging ahead!
From: Ravi. (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sat Aug 30 04:43:09 EDT 1997

Ravy: You really believe that ARR will score music for 800+ films in a **FEW** years? Well I seriously doubt it.
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sat Aug 30 04:45:24 EDT 1997

Thomas: It is definitely more than 700. I am not sure about 800+. Can any one tell me if it is true and if so what his 800th movie was? His 700th was yejamaan.
Sorry for the digression. Pl. reply by mail to limit the damage to the thread. :)
From: pg (@ client-116-30.bellatlantic.net) on: Sat Aug 30 08:51:16 EDT 1997

Vidyasagar scored music for a Bharathiraja film. I saw the film but I forget the name. It had Prabhu as the hero, Sivaji as Prabhu's grandfather :-) and Radhika as Prabhu's mother. Radhika is widowed and Sivakumar is her second husband. It also starred Yuvarani, Vignesh etc. This movie was talked about for the way widow-remarriage was handled - no didactic preachings just a matter of fact and also for Yavarani's naakkaal mookkai thoduvathu. It had one good song - Thaamarai poovikkum thannikkum eppavum sandaiyae vandhadhillai.

Songs of Duet was a hit like songs of Kaadhal Oviyam and Koyil Pura were a hit. Songs were good and critically acclaimed but they were not a mass market hit. Likewise Kaadhal Oviyam and Koyil Pura. Discernible listeners will listen to them but for the mass market : give them chikku bukku or ottagathai kattikko.
From: Pags (@ batboy.cisco.com) on: Sat Aug 30 11:26:15 EDT 1997

pg

It is "pasum pon", BR's film with Vidya saagar as MD
From: Ravy (@ ww-to03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 31 01:50:45 EDT 1997

I think BR's Vedham pudhidhu is scored by Devendiran.
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun Aug 31 02:11:55 EDT 1997

Wasn't it Narasimhan?
From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Sun Aug 31 05:57:21 EDT 1997

Now commercial update of ARR's
Dubbed and Original Scores in Hindi.

Roja: Super hit.

Bombay: Super hit

Kadalan: Average hit. Pity that 'ennavale',
'rap' and that thalautu irritated northies,
but they took it easy for urvasi.

Thiruda thiruda: Average hit, but didnt
make much impact as in tamil. Just
came and went off.

Rangeela: Started dull, but went flying
with urmi's skirt after movie release.
Super hit.

Duet: Damn flop. Mags told 'music
from mars', what we consider his best.
KB played a cheap game using ARR's
instant fame, by dubbing this flop.

Love birds: Super flop. ARR lost his,
blindly_buys_his_album status by this time.
Managed 14 in BPL chart, but IR's
'mastana mastana' was enjoying 4!.

Indira: super flop, only 'kulicha kuthalam' was floating around.

Indian: Started as a flop album, Mags
wrote off ARR by this time. Tips
cassette walas cried in a article
that taked about Arr's debacle in past
4 albums. But wow! it was real hit after
the movie release.

Kadal deasm: No shakes at all. 10 in charts
thats it. Even Mustafa couldnt comfort
ARR.

Minsara Kanavu: Came like just another
album. But a super hit after, thanks
Avm and Hmv's ads. But for a change
went stale after release of movie.

Daud: average hit.

This is the career graph of india no 1
MD ARR's career graph in hindi. So
much said but, he has about 13 hindi movies
against 2 in tamil in hand. Soon he
will go in to Hindi md's in tfm list.
Engirundalum vazhga !.
From: G. T. Rajan (@ proxy-109.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Sun Aug 31 09:15:34 EDT 1997

To kumar:

Thanks for your HINDI commercial hit lists.

I never listened any HINDI songs uptonow except IR's HINDI albums and IR's original that was copied (not dubbed) by other MD in the Bollywood field.
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Mon Sep 1 01:13:51 EDT 1997

CP

Very very sorry if it hurts. I must have chosen some other word. Digressions are indeed a part and parcel of this forum. Sorry for accusing you on that. Please forget that.

Ravy

ARR has composed music for around 25 films in 5 years - at the rate of 5 per year. At the same rate, it will take 160 years for him to complete 800 movies. He will then be a record holder for another aspect - oldest man on earth!!!! (Please do not counter this as it is meant for fun.)

Ravi

It was Devendran. I think he is IR's nephew. That was BR's first movie without IR. BR then worked with Hamsalekha, IR again, H. Lekha again, ARR, Vidyasar (Pasumpon) and Deva (thamizhchelvan).

NOV

YES!! KB and BR openly made some very exaggarated statements about ARR. He was singled out because he is defenitely better than the present day MDs.

Bones

I do not know whether SunTV plays politics or not. But many other people have made this comment. I personally did not see any politics. BTW, when we say that an album was a flop, it does not mean that it did not have good songs. You may have liked the song from 'puthiya mannargaL'. But all other songs, except 'nee kattum sElai' were unheard. The album was a flop.

On the whole, I think I would agree with CP. More than 70% of the public are not bothered about the source, originality, quality of songs. They just want to listen to good songs. Only 20% of the people like us shout like bear (karadiyaak kaththrOm). But the market is decided by those 70+ % of people who like the different music (with respect to TFM) of ARR. That is it.
From: Ravy (@ ww-ti22.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Sep 1 10:48:29 EDT 1997

Aravind:

The responded to Ravi thru e-mail about that 800+ number. Let me repeat it here;

As far as ARR reaching that number, I didn't mean 800 as the qualifying criteria. If ARR is reasonably successful and prolific (say about 200 films) then he will also be discussed. (provided the no. is the sole criteria)
From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Tue Sep 2 19:07:39 EDT 1997

I would also like to see the demographics of cassettes sales. I have
a hunch that most of ARR's songs are city-hits and city-buyers account for
the major portion of sales. How were his songs doing in the grAmams?
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Wed Sep 3 06:46:28 EDT 1997

Don't forget that it is the city folks who have the money and can spend. It is no secret in Advertising to go after the lucrative market.
From: A R Rahman (@ 202.54.6.113) on: Mon Oct 13 09:54:29 EDT 1997

Thanks a lot for admiring me and my works.

Love U all

Rahman
From: shankar (@ webgate4.mot.com) on: Wed Oct 22 09:27:10 EDT 1997

for ur info,the so called hit song,manoothu.. from kizhakku ceemayilae is a modified 'vaadi yen kappa kezhange by none other than maestro
From: Raghu (@ mostik.lucky.net) on: Wed Nov 26 08:55:56 EST 1997

Rajan AvargalE,

Idu Ragothaman enra Ragu ezhuduvadhu.

Enakku internet kidaithu mudal mudalai ungal AArAichiyai padithEn. Migavum nanrAga irundadhu. Matrapadi, nEEngal, innum Rahman avargalai nanrAga purindu kondu ezhudavum. Enendral, avar isaiyulagathukku kidaitha pokkisham. NAAttu ottrumaiyodu, pakkathu nAAttavaraiyum anaithu kollum maNO bhavam matrum pakkuvam avaridam ulladu. Adaipattri konjam ezhudavum.

Meendum sandikkum varai

Nandrigal pala urithAguga.
From: RAJAN (@ proxy-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on: Thu Nov 27 20:52:17 EST 1997

Raghu:

This is only commercial hits discussion.

RAJAN
From: Balaji (@ ppp29-184.lvsb.vsnl.net.in) on: Mon Dec 29 09:00:27 EST 1997

hai guys,
its really interesting reading ur comments.

This is for people who complain arr for copying;
Every Music director is copying(including IR}. Almost every tune is based on any classical bits available in hindustani or carnatic. It is not a copy only if it has got a shade of western tunes. U dont see the locally available tunes.This has been demonstrated by illaya raja and karthik raja once in sun tv. IR was explaining how he composed 'inji iduppazaga' from devarmagan.

This is for people who blame arr for repetation

Are u sure that IR has not repeated his tunes.
If so i feel sorry for u. Here is an eg.

Amma enrazhaikatha from mannan and
janani janani jagam ni jagam ni.

They are almost same. I can write hundreds of examples like this.Are u interested.Has he not used the same tabla beat for hundreds of songs.
Tell me.

U can light a candle with a lighted candle.Only thing u should not grab the candle itself.And that is the difference between Arr and others.

Even i have heard Jam . But def. it is very much different from mukala. Even before that we had a tamil song Asaye alai polay,namellam athu mele. So now people who say mukala is a copy of jam.,can they say it is the copy of the old tamil song. It is all inspiration.

I dont get any body else's albums other that ARR. I have the gurantee that it is worthy for the money i spend. Thats what we want.

By that i dont degrade IR. I like both of them.Old IR and New ARR.It requires extradinary talent to shine in any field. If ARR is shining only because he copies,then u and me can become MDS and earn money like ARR. Why the hell should i work in computers.

Sorry for deviating from the topic.
Arr albums are hit only because of the reputation and consistency he has got.Even his okay albums like Romeo is better than very good albums of others(including IR) nowadays.Even Romeo has got two very good songs(mellisai,romeo).
From: maha (@ 207.41.225.69) on: Mon Feb 9 06:42:42 EST 1998

Nice to see That Rehman himself is following this
debate. Rahman, You are the most creative MUSICAL
GENIUS of the 20st century. keep up your good work.

With Regards
Mahadevan
From: Gaurav (@ 172-110-2.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Mar 3 17:51:24 EST 1998

Which song was Ooh lalala copied from? (on a side note, does anyone know how much AR Rahman makes/charges for his music?)
From: Whizz (@ 193.133.98.56) on: Tue Mar 31 05:26:44 EST 1998

Please tell me more on Rahman
From: Vijay (@ c417139-a.htfdc1.ct.home.com) on: Sun Mar 5 22:02:33 EST 2000

New entry for this page!
I like Rahman's music because of the quality of sound I get in my System.
The chorus effects in Haira haira hairappa songs in Jeans is a drop for this.

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