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Thamizh folk songs in TFM song lyrics

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 64.66.195.110) on Wed Oct 2 16:42:24 EDT 2002.
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Reading a collection of Thamizh folk songs (“Naaluvagaip Pooveduthu,” by Su. Sanmuga Sundaram) revealed to me the source of many TFM songs. Whether the use of established folk songs in TFM lyrics should be considered plagiarism or propaganda is not my concern. I wish this thread to be a paean to the riches of Thamizh folk songs; and if this sparks some interest in your discovery of folk songs, I would’ve done better.

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• From: Udhaya (@ 64.66.195.110) on: Wed Oct 2 16:43:57 EDT 2002
  
  In a section titled,“Gaelip paattu”, I found the following starting lines:
  “Aeraatha malaithanilae
  ilandhai pazhuthirukku
  aeri uluppungalaen
  ilaya kozhundhanmaarae”
  
  If you remember, these lines appeared in “Mudhal Mariyaadhai” with a slight variation:
  “Aeraatha malaithanilae
  ilandhai pazhuthirukku
  ilandhai pazhuthirukku
  aeri uluppattumaa
  elumichcham kannugalaa
  enjoattup pondugalaa”
  
  Under the theme “PeN ViLayaattu”, I found the following stanza:
  “kuchu kuchu raakkammaa ponnundoa
  koosaali raakkammaa ponnundoa
  saathi sanamellaam ponnundoa—unga
  sammandha vazhiyellaam ponnundoa”
  
  Similar lines appeared in a duet from “Bombay”:
  “kuchi kuchi raakkammaa ponnu vaenum
  koodasaali raakkammaa ponnu vaenum
  saathi sanam thoongayila
  saamak koazhi koovayila”
  
  In one of the songs built around the folk game “Sadukudu,” I found the following stanza:
  “naanthaandaa ungappan
  nalla muthup paeran
  vellip perambeduthu
  vilayaada varraendaa
  thangach chilayeduthuth
  thaali katta varraendaa
  sadugudu”
  
  Similar lines appeared in a fight song from “Ram Lathcuman”:
  “naandhaan ungappandaa
  nalla muthup paerandaa
  vellip perambeduthu
  vilayaada vaaraendaa”
  
  Under a section called “Aerp Paattu,” I found the following stanza:
  “pullip pullip ravikkaik kaari
  en thoazhanaar kaaLayeerae
  puliyampooch chaelaikkaari adi un
  pulli ravikkai maelae ponnae naan
  villaai valaiya raendi”
  
  Similar lines appeared in “AnnakkiLi”:
  “pulli poatta ravikkaikkaari
  puliyampooch chaelaikkaari
  nellarukkap poagayil yaar
  kanni undhan kaavaladi”
  
  From a song sung by workers of the hills picking tea leaves and such, titled, “Aelamalaivaelaip paattu”, I found the following lines:
  “thanni karuthuruchu
  thavalai saththak kaettiruchu
  puLLai azhuthiruchu
  puNNiyarae vaelai vidu”
  
  Similar lines appeared in “Ilamai Oonjalaadugirathu”
  “thanni karuthuruchu
  kannu thavalai saththam kaetturuchu
  oorum orangiruchu
  naama odhunga edam kedaichiruchu”
  
  From a song called “thaeyilaith thoaattap paattu”:
  “koodamaela kooda vaichu
  kozhundhedukkap poara pulla
  koodaya irakki vechu
  kulirndha vaarthai sollip poyaen”
  
  Similar lines appear in “Gentleman”:
  “koodamaela kooda vaichu
  kuchanooru poaravalae
  medhuvaagach chellaendi”
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.66.195.110) on: Wed Oct 2 16:45:29 EDT 2002
  
  If others know of more TFM songs whose sources can be traced to folk songs, please post them here.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.28) on: Fri Oct 4 02:09:40 EDT 2002
  
  'annakili onna theduthey' is actually a folk song going by the same lyrics (atleast the pallavi)
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Fri Oct 4 03:19:53 EDT 2002
  
  Odugira thanniyila urasi vitten santhanathe
  Senthucho seralayo sevatha machan nethiyile
  
  is a folk used in Achamillai(VS Narasimhan-Vairamuthu)
  
  Manathule meenirukka maruthayile naanirukka
  sale(m)thula neeyirukka seruvathu ekkalam
  
  (Thanner Thanner -sung by Kasturi-MSV)
  
  Uchi vaguntheduthu pichi poo vechakili
  pacha mala pakkathula meyuthunnu sonnanga
  
  This is used in Rosappu Ravikkaikari song pallavi-Other lyrics by Pulamai pithan
  
  "eeriyila elantha maram thangachi vecha maram"
  
  I think it is there is Soma.Le s thoguppu .(infact Karayellam shenbagapu by Sujatha quotes lot of folk songs as the hero of the story is a collector of Nattu pura padal.Some of them used in the movie made like the above one)
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Fri Oct 4 07:52:32 EDT 2002
  
  OISG 'maanathile meenirukka' was also used in the starting of 'udhayam varugindradhe' song(kavikuyil).
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.180.182) on: Fri Oct 4 10:17:52 EDT 2002
  
  The tune of maankuyilE poonkuyilE (karagaattakkaaran) was taken from this folk song:
  Eru mayi lEriviLai yaadum mugam ondru
  eesarudan baalamozhi pEsum mugam ondru.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.206.213.13) on: Fri Oct 4 12:50:59 EDT 2002
  
  Thanks for the input guys. This is all news to me.
  
  OISG,
  I am aware of Karayellaam Shenbagapoo, it's one of my faves, even the title song, "kaadellaam pichi poovu" sounds very folksy. Do you know if any other songs in "Thanneer Thanneer" were original folk songs? I've always had my doubts about the wonderful thaalaattu:
  "kannaana poomaganae kannurangu sooriyanae"
  It's a great lullaby in a rare MSV-VM combination.
  
  Also a rustic song from "Magudi" by IR must have some roots in a folk song.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Fri Oct 4 12:54:51 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/17777.23.56.47.html
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Fri Oct 4 12:57:48 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, "Odugira thaNNiyilE orasi vittEn sandhanaththai" came in an old KVM movie too, sung by Seergazhi and PS.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.206.213.13) on: Fri Oct 4 13:17:33 EDT 2002
  
  bb,
  I guess my question has already been asked and answered. Thanks for the flashback link.
  
  Oh, I remembered the "Magudi" song. It's "Karattoaram Moongilkaadu"
  
  
• From: ;-) (@ 67.241.76.89) on: Fri Oct 4 13:19:42 EDT 2002
  
  "mehaM karukuthadi miniruttu kumuthadi EasAna mooulaiyile... " is another song from thaNeer thaNeer by kannadasan. I guess that's his last song for msv and kb.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.232) on: Sat Oct 5 01:22:34 EDT 2002
  
  Ramki- thanks for reminding the beginning 'Maanathile meenirukka' (Udhayam varugindrathey)-that prelude was sung by GK Venkatesh.
  
  bb- that old 'Odugira thanniyile' (Seergazhi-PS) was from 'Pillaikaniamudhu', I think.
  
  The full song 'Eru mayil' is as follows; (there may be some errors- the 'Odhuvaar' in my village temple used to sing it!)):
  Eru mayil eri vilayaadum mugham ondru
  Eesarudan gyaana mozhi pesum mugham ondru
  koorumozhiyaargal vinai theertha mugham ondru
  kunduruga vel vaangi nindra mugham ondru
  maarupadai sooranai vadhaitha mugham ondru
  Valliyai manam puriya nindra mugham ondru
  Aarumugham aana porul nee arula vendum
  Aadhi Arunachalam amarndha perumaane!
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.77.158) on: Sat Oct 5 08:36:42 EDT 2002
  
  Vijayalakshmi navaneedhakrishnan acted with sithara in one movie called "Pudhu pudhu raagangal" (MD SARajkumar) which sank without a trace... i think the movie had most songs by VNK herself.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 210.210.40.122) on: Sat Oct 5 11:39:42 EDT 2002
  
  Friends,
  
  ERu mayil is from 'Thiruppugazh' by AruNagirinaathar.
  
  'maaRupadu soorarai vadhaiththa mugam onRu,
  VaLLiyai maNam puNara vantha mugam onRu,
  aaRu mugamaana poruL nee aruLa vENdum,
  aadhi aruNaachalam amarntha perumaaLE!'
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Sun Oct 6 01:04:15 EDT 2002
  
  Thaneer Thaneer songs frequently move back and forth from "age old" folk to "vadugapatti" folk.
  
  But the song "Megam thiraludhadi" too has too much base folk wors.I am sure about the origins.It was by KD.
  
  Megam thiraludhadhi minniruttu kattudahadi
  innum karukkuthadi eesana moolayile
  mandhayila mariyaye malamela mayavare
  indirare suriyare eppa mazhai peyya venum.
  
  mattamalai movaoothu velavare
  mazhayai erakividu vantha pasi theerthuvidu
  ammadi muthumari un kannu patta masathukku moonu mari
  
  The first para looks very much folk with "Indirare suriyare"-i have heard them elsewhere too!
  
  But the II stanza looks out and out KD creation.
  
  Kannana ppomagane by VM also has this loop.
  
  oothumalai thaneere en ullangai sakkarye is folk(sorry! i can t recall the source immediately).but "nee naan petha thangaratham idupil ulla nandahvanam" has Vadugapatti written all over it.
  
  The last MSV song has ususal VM stuff" Pongal vangi thinnuputtu sami enga pochudoi"
  
  Thazhayam poomudichu thadam paarthu nadai nadnathu
  Ennai eduthu thannai koduthu poonavan ponanadi
  
  I firmly believe that these two have folk origins.Can someone clarify
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.80.42) on: Sun Oct 6 05:13:19 EDT 2002
  
  "Thanjaavoru manneduthu thaali onnu seyya chonnen" ... that Pushpavanam kuppuswami number has been used time and again... either be the tune or the lyrics (in parts)
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 202.156.2.219) on: Sun Oct 6 06:16:20 EDT 2002
  
  Padariyen, padippariyen - (Sindu Bairavi) is a folk song. VM used the pallavi.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Mon Oct 7 03:30:33 EDT 2002
  
  OISG,
  
  Some songs in "ThaNNeer ThaNNeer " were by KaNNadaasan. The lines mentioned by you:
  " Vote(u) vaangip pOna aaLu veettukkuLLa thoongiyaachchu! Ponga(l) vaangith thinnup pOttu saami enga Odip pOchchu?" are from " thaNNeer! vandha pinbu maaRum engaL kaNNeer!". I am not very sure if this was by VM or KD!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Oct 7 05:06:46 EDT 2002
  
  Megam Thiraludhadi was by KD-(Kannadasan)
  Kannana poomagane and Thaneer kanda pinbu by VM
  Manathle meeneriukka was not credited.
  
  
• From: rajes raveendran (@ ) on: Sat Jul 10 05:11:44 EDT 2004
  
  hi, do you happen to have the lyrics for this song' Paliginal Oru Maligai, Paruvathal Oru Mandabam, Uyarathil Oru Kopuram Unnai Allikathe Vaa - I think this song is sang by LR Eswari?
  ThanK you
  
  

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