Topic started by Tom Cownan (@ gyrfalcon.attcapital.com) on Tue Dec 16 13:46:17 EST 1997.
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- From: Bhaskar (@ ihgw1.lucent.com)
on: Wed Dec 17 01:39:41 EST 1997
Tom: I am typing from my Lynx browser, hence indentation might not be OK.
Soniya, Soniya, Soniyaaaaaa, Soniyaaa: Soniyaa Soniyaa Sokka vaikkum Soniyaa: Kadhalil nee endha vagai kooru
kaadhalile rendu vagai saivam undu asaivam undu
rendil nee endha vagai kooru
Silanaal saivam undoooo, silanaal asaivam undooo
pennin kangalai kandu sevai seivadhu nandru
Poovodu urasum poongatrai pole seerodu anaithaal adhu saivam
Verodu valaikku puyal kaatrai pole maarbodu eduthaal adhu asaivam
Pullil vandhu vizhum thooralai pol oru pennin meedhu EYE theenduvadhu saivam
Karaiyai meerugindra vellathai pol oru pennai serndhu illai thaduvadhu asaivam
Pen koondhal meedhu Poovagatta, un koondhal kalaithu vilaiyadatta
Melidhaan mutthathil satthe illai, metthai mel saivathil artham illai
Perinbam kanadha penondrum pennillai
Ull nenju thudikkum ullukkul vedikkum poo pole anaikka porumai illai
pen ondru pudhumai kannadi padhumai kaiyaala therindhaal kavalaiyillai
Kaadhal cricketil sattam illai oru saasthiram illai runs edupadhu dhaan velai
Penmai baarangal thanguvadhillai, kann thooguvadhillai, pen malligaipoo maalai
Thattaamal ponaal thangam illai, Ottaamal ponaal mogam illai
Kamathin vaadhathil nyayam illai, Kannatthin kaayangal kaadhal illai
Penthevai edhu vendru arigindra aanillai
These lines comes under various combination :)
- From: Bhaskar (@ ihgw1.lucent.com)
on: Wed Dec 17 02:02:08 EST 1997
Tom:
Bombay Madras Delhi
Idhudhaan thalaippu seidhi
Edhilum Kaadhal viyadhi OO poviyaa
Baila paap sampaadi
Laila majnu jodi
Love me Love me Solli
Lovephobiaa
Ohhhhh Love attack mudhal mudhal paarthu Love attack
Ohhhh Love attack century podum love attack
Ohhhh Love attack kanavukkul pugundha Love attack
Ohhhhh Love attack Love Attack * 5 times
Kaadhal vadivam idhayam dhaan kaasi ange udhayam dhaan
Kaasi vazhiye theerkkum needhan ketkindraai
Thanimaiyile naan HEAT anaal THERMOMETER kaataadhu, kodhikkum nenjai aatthum nee thaan AIR COOLER
Ennudane illamal ponaal APRIL aagidum SEPTEMBER
Unnoda naan ondragi ponaal WINTER aagidum HOT SUMMER
Ennaalim ????????? Kaadhal Vazhgaa
????? ICE CREAM PARLOURil DOLBY SYSTEM THEATERil oruvan oruthi sandhithale Love attack
???? SIXTEEN aanadhum parukkal mugatthil vandhadhum Ilaya manadhai iravil thakkum love attack
Aarambame Adamum yevalum ????? vandhadhe love attack
Mudhan mudhala undaana manidhan thottadhu dhaane
Kaadhal TRY
Ennaaalum HEARTai thakkum kaadhal vazhgaa
Bombay Madras Delhi
Appa podhum podhum aacchu indha paadalai decode seivadharkku badhilaaga edhavadhu Bharadhiyaar paadale easy aaga decode seidhu purindhu kollalam polirukiradhu :))
TOM: Tamizhai vida indha paattil English dhan adhigam irukku ungalukku ennai vida easyaaga purindhuvidum :)))
Indha paadalai Kavingyar Vaali ezhudinaar endru sonnal nambuveergala ??
There is another song called Mercury Pookkal Model Nilaakkal, andha lyrics mattum ketkadheergal, naan decode seivadharkkul vayadhu aagividum :)))
Have a nice Christmas Holidays :)
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta03.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu Dec 18 06:48:29 EST 1997
Bhaskar:
Thank you so much for sharing these "lyrics" which are extremely tough to catch. Keep up the good work! :)))
- From: cp (@ 208.255.237.146)
on: Thu Dec 18 13:07:58 EST 1997
Bhaskar:
I am very sorry to say this. Ungalai solli kutramillai. :-( "Soniya" lyrics rombavum virasamaaga irukkiradhu. Who is the lyricist?
- From: cp (@ 208.255.237.146)
on: Thu Dec 18 13:13:08 EST 1997
Sorry Bhaskar, vaali enru therindhadhu!!
- From: Ramki (@ sparky.kohrman.wmich.edu)
on: Thu Dec 18 15:37:40 EST 1997
CP rend songsume virasamaaga dhan irukku.
vaali kku aen indha velaiyo theriyalai
- From: Satish (@ caesar.cs.umn.edu)
on: Thu Dec 18 15:56:05 EST 1997
Ramki,
Vaali illa pa, namma Vairamuthu ezhudhiyadhu thaan andha "saivam asaivam" paattu.
"bombay madras delhi" is by Vaali.
Wonder how Bhaskar motivated himself to write these down.. :)
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Thu Dec 18 18:14:22 EST 1997
annE annE Bhaskar annE
namma ooru nalla ooru
ippa romba kettu pOchchunE !!!!
- From: Bhaskar (@ algw2.lucent.com)
on: Thu Dec 18 23:16:41 EST 1997
CP: Ennai indha murai Mannikkavum, Inimel indha maadiri paadalgalukku lyrics podamatten.
Satish: To be honest, I liked the tune, hence I was motivated to write the lyrics. I too personally did not like the lyrics but posted it for Tom's request.
Yaruppa adhu Tom Cownan, ennappa indha lyrics dhaan neer ketkka venduma, veru edhavadhu kettirukka koodadha, ennai vambil mattiviteere ?
Ravi: If possible could you please delete those two lyrics. Sorry for the trouble. Thanks in advance.
- From: Ramki (@ pm135-19.dialip.mich.net)
on: Thu Dec 18 23:27:27 EST 1997
Bhaskar u need not have to apologise and personally i dont feel that the lyrics should be deleted. We are talking abt TFM and soniya soniya is also a part of it. Why should we limit ourselves to only good songs ...indha madhiri songsum partha dhan namakku nalla pattoda arumai theriyum illaiya?:)) aedho enakku thondriyavai:)
- From: Bhaskar (@ algw1.lucent.com)
on: Thu Dec 18 23:57:41 EST 1997
Thambi Ramki: Illappa namma TFMDF-kku oru varai murai endru ondru irukku, ellorum edhavadhu post seiyyum bodhu mattravargalukku padipadharkku sandhoshamaga irukkum, mattravargal paditthu manadhil oru happiness varavendum, indha maadiri mattravarai offend seiyyum endral adhu namma TFMDF-kku thevai illai. Unga logic inghe workout aaghaadhu, nalla paadalgalai appreciate seivadharkku ketta paadalgal kettaaal dhaan theriyum endral approm avanga avanga enna-ennamo post panniduvanga. So let us limit our lyrics to only good ones :))))
Ellorukkum, pidikkum vishayam, pidikkum lyrics, mattume podavendum endru dhaan ennudaya aasai :)
- From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9)
on: Fri Dec 19 02:45:50 EST 1997
Bhaskar
pidichchathu pidikkaathathu vERE vishayam. It is subjective. But vulgarity is more objective. There cannot be two opinions on that. Lyrics of Soniyaa are indeed vulgar. I wasn't ready to beleive that it was Vaali (after so many 'pU' related words). Thank God, somebody clarified that it was indeed by Virasamuthu.
I had already mentioned in the thread, 'Music Review of New Movies', about this song, that the lyrics are borgering on vulgarity.
Moreover, please don't get confused by names like Tom Cownan (or whatever). I am sure it must be some Ramasamy, Kuppusamy or Palani who had just given that psuedo sounding name just for fun.
- From: Ramki (@ sparky.kohrman.wmich.edu)
on: Fri Dec 19 12:49:35 EST 1997
Bhaskar i can understand ur point. But soniya soniya pattu evvalavu perukku pidichirkku theriyuma??Who cares abt lyrics nowdays??
And vulgarity is not new to TFM. kannadasan kaalthilirndhu computer kaalam varaikkum vulgarity pattule irundhirkku irukku. tune nalla amainja paadalgalle koodae aabasam adhigam irundhirkku
egs
Rathiriyil poothirkkum thaamarai dhan penno
om namaha urugum uyirukku
devi sridevi
ammamma charanam charanam un paadhangal
vaarai en thozhi vaarayo
etc etc ( i can give u a big list)
It depends on individuals discretion when selecting the songs. Yaarum ketkalenne indha madhiri paadellellam hit aaguma??
I cannot forget this incident: when thanga magan was released I used to sing the rathiriyil poothirukkum song. I was only a small kid that time and i used to sing the song loudly.oru naal thalaiyile nangunnu oru kuttu partha appa'ennada
pattu idhellam inime indha madhiri paadina tholaichiduven'appa kuttu innum valikkidhu:))But andha chinna vayasile andha pattoda artham puriyalai.tune pidichirndhadhu.
so what vaali and vairamuthu do for the sake of money we do when someone is interested to know the lyrics. Thats why i say u need not have to apologise:)
varigal mathram dhan aabasamenbadhu illai mukkal munagal pattu kooda aabasam dhan
ponmeni urugudhae ,nethru rathiri amma,adikkudhu kuliru pole paattukkalukku soniya soniya evvalavo paravaiyillai atleast musicleyavadhu varigal marainju poidum.Aana naan sollirkkira paadalgalle
musice mukkalum munagalum dhan:)
So again u need not have to apologise. If we stop limiting ourselves then we will be left with very few good songs in TFM(im talking abt current day songs)
- From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Fri Dec 19 16:08:10 EST 1997
Bhaskar:
Appreciate your sentiments on maintaining the standard of the Forum. aanaal, yaaroa edhaiyoa vilai paesi ezhudhiya "lyrics", vaeru yaaroa vaeNdum endru kaetta "lyrics", neengaL kaettavarukkaaga post mattum seidha "lyrics"--mannippu edharku??
Thanks to the "lyrics" you posted, I have decided there is no merit in me buying the Ratchagan CD for my family.
It will join the ranks of several songs from the 70's, 80's and 90's which did not make their way into my collection due to the type of factors Ramki has outlined, despite other excellent features like orchestration.
I have two options as an "informed" person when faced with such output from the movie industry:
1. start a "mass" movement to improve the overall quality of Indian cinema;
2. in my own way be selective in what I listen to and spend my $ on, and be a smart consumer.
Since the former is personally neither possible nor is a personal goal in life for me, I usually do the latter.
Again, such decisions and criteria are personal, in my opinion. Shall we lighten up and move on to other fun threads, please? Thank you.
- From: CP (@ 1cust88.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Fri Dec 19 19:59:57 EST 1997
Bhaskar:
Mannippuku enra vaarthai ellam vEndaam! Andha lyricsai padicha udanE romba shockaaga irundhadhu! Aanal "sorry Bhaskar, ungalai solli kuttramillai" enra phrase yEn use seithEn enru theriyavillai! I withdraw that!
pOdhuvaaga, naam paattinai kEtkumbOdhu, virasama, illaya enru namakku therindhuvidum. AdhatkumEl, adhanai, as you said, intha DF il post seyya vEndumaa enbadhudhaan yennudaiya varuththaam! Nothing else.
As everyone has observed, I really do not know why Vairamuthu has gone down so badly in recent times, especially while scoring music for ARR!!
- From: Ramki (@ pm315-20.dialip.mich.net)
on: Fri Dec 19 21:45:30 EST 1997
CP i disagree with ur last remark.This is the first time VMuthu has written such cheap lyrics in ARRs music. His lyrics under rajas music had were much more vulgar(egs manasu mayangum mouna geetham(salangai oli),andha nilavae dhan naan kaiyile pidichen(mudhal mariyadhai),ponnoruthi kai mele katti vachae poo maalae(ninaivellam nithya))
He has been giving decent lyrics for ARR(though not very meaningful)
- From: pg (@ client-116-56.bellatlantic.net)
on: Sat Dec 20 08:15:22 EST 1997
manasu mayangum mouna geetham was in sippikkuL muthu.
VM got a national award for mudhal mariyadhai (his first).
Guys : the songs listed here are not very vulgar. There have been songs which are much more vulgar. I don't want to list them but an example : (nAn kaNda kaNda AmbiLaiya kattikida mAttEn - sivappu sooriyan - MSV vAli) & nilA kAyidhu. Lyrics are vulgar but I think the picturisation is what really takes the blame. Bhagyaraj started the trend of the heroine seducing the 'innocent' hero - there have been countless songs of this type.
It is not just movies alone : Kumudam has been vulgar for quite some time and now AV tops it in its 'iLamai compound by mikkiappan' which is probably the most vulgar article in popular magazines.
- From: Arun (@ internet1.ford.com)
on: Sat Dec 20 10:18:12 EST 1997
PG, I agree with you that those two songs are not all that vulgar, but they are definitely the lowest by ARR so far. There are most certainly more vulgar lyrics in TFM before these, but that's no excuse. ARR has, so far, maintained certain quality when it comes to vulgarity in lyrics, I don't see any reason why he should lose it now. He has been successful without it.
Ramki, I don't see what's vulgar in those three songs you have mentioned. (I disagree with Aravind, vulgarity sometimes *can* be subjective. Atleast there is something called borderline vulgarity.) But please, you don't have to explain. I will just pay more attention when I listen to them next time. ( Vaazhge um thondu! :-) )
- Arun.
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