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11th November 2012, 02:02 PM
#3261
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உன் ஆரோகணம்
மேகம்
உன் அவரோகணம்
மழை
நீயின்றி அமையாது உலகு
அழகான உவமைகள்.. தேர்ந்த சொற்கட்டுமானங்கள்! நல்ல கவிதை. எளிமையாகவும் அதே நேரத்தில் சுவையாகவும் இருக்கும் இந்தக் கவிதையைப் பாராட்டுங்கள்.
சொல்லிச் சொல்லி ஆறாது சொன்னா துயர் தீராது...
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11th November 2012 02:02 PM
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11th November 2012, 11:19 PM
#3262
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https://www.facebook.com/Ilayathalam...al_comments=73
272 people liking this post doesn't help ilayathalam in organising the show
Guys in FB pls go to the above link and press like button. Share it with friends so we cross 1000 'like's!
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11th November 2012, 11:48 PM
#3263
Junior Member
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நான் சொன்னால் என்னிடம் நிறைய பேர் சண்டைக்கு வருவார்கள்.சொல்லாமலும் இருக்க முடியவில்லை. ரெண்டு நாள் வெயிட் பண்ணி தான் இதை இங்கு போஸ்ட் பண்ணுகிறேன். ராஜா சாரிடம் மைக் கொடுக்காமல் இருப்பதே நல்லது. நீங்களே கேளுங்க அவரோட டிராக் எப்படியெல்லாம் போயிட்டு வருகிறதென்று.. அதிலும் அந்த "நான் ஸ்க்ரீன்" மேட்டர் ரொம்ப ஜாஸ்தி. சலிப்பை தருகிறது.
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12th November 2012, 07:47 AM
#3264
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Originally Posted by
rajaramsgi
நான் சொன்னால் என்னிடம் நிறைய பேர் சண்டைக்கு வருவார்கள்.சொல்லாமலும் இருக்க முடியவில்லை. ரெண்டு நாள் வெயிட் பண்ணி தான் இதை இங்கு போஸ்ட் பண்ணுகிறேன். ராஜா சாரிடம் மைக் கொடுக்காமல் இருப்பதே நல்லது. நீங்களே கேளுங்க அவரோட டிராக் எப்படியெல்லாம் போயிட்டு வருகிறதென்று.. அதிலும் அந்த "நான் ஸ்க்ரீன்" மேட்டர் ரொம்ப ஜாஸ்தி. சலிப்பை தருகிறது.
Naan Screen has to be understood in 'his' perspective, not the way we normally see how an egoistic person showcases his skill. The way he composes, he does not think what kind of music should be done for a film . When movies are shown , whatever emotion that comes to his mind , finds a relay to his music and it naturally comes representing the soul of the film .That way , he is the screen on which movies are shown and he is proud of tht .
And no one has the courage to say Music is not 'Market ' in an audio launch - Any other composer, would have humbly smiled and accepted , not Raaja !! I bow down !
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12th November 2012, 09:39 AM
#3265
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12th November 2012, 12:30 PM
#3266
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Originally Posted by
MumbaiRamki
And no one has the courage to say Music is not 'Market ' in an audio launch - Any other composer, would have humbly smiled and accepted , not Raaja !! I bow down !
Exactly, he doesn't score music to gain market. He conveys his emotions through music.
இந்தக் காட்டில் எந்த மூங்கில் இசைக்க வல்லது என்று மயங்கிய பொழுது
இறைவன் தேர்ந்தெடுத்தப் புல்லாங்குழல் தான் நம் இசைஞானி !!
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12th November 2012, 07:09 PM
#3267
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Surprised to see IR being so kind enough and encouraging younger buds like Devi Sri Prasad. Impressed very much in watching IR move with people of DSP caliber in music. Wish DSP gets some workshop from IR on musical process. Let the followers of Raja music get the opportunity of life time.
Last edited by venkkiram; 12th November 2012 at 09:08 PM.
சொல்லிச் சொல்லி ஆறாது சொன்னா துயர் தீராது...
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13th November 2012, 05:04 AM
#3268
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Straight shooter.
Originally Posted by
rajaramsgi
நான் சொன்னால் என்னிடம் நிறைய பேர் சண்டைக்கு வருவார்கள்.சொல்லாமலும் இருக்க முடியவில்லை. ரெண்டு நாள் வெயிட் பண்ணி தான் இதை இங்கு போஸ்ட் பண்ணுகிறேன். ராஜா சாரிடம் மைக் கொடுக்காமல் இருப்பதே நல்லது. நீங்களே கேளுங்க அவரோட டிராக் எப்படியெல்லாம் போயிட்டு வருகிறதென்று.. அதிலும் அந்த "நான் ஸ்க்ரீன்" மேட்டர் ரொம்ப ஜாஸ்தி. சலிப்பை தருகிறது.
When Raja says "Naan Screen", he doesn't mean film won't happen without him (I assume that's the interpretation taken here). He means, he doesn't know any music, and the film goes through him (Or projects into him) turning into music. If the film is not projected into the frame, there is no cinema but screen is just a tool. Raja also sees himself as tool, that when possessed by appropriate emotions, outputs music. Hence no emotion, there is no film, no music, no Raja. He is not being egotistical here but humble or self-depreciating. He has repeated this point in other forums with different analogies. He just happened to use "screen" analogy here.
When I see this video, I feel bad for him. I see him as a true artist, a talent wasted most of the time and caught in a industry, that 99% of time, bereft of artistic value, integrity and respect for craft. The fixation with making a film/music huge hit is nauseating. The bug is with the audience too. We are never satisfied with saying "Great film" or "Great music" or "Great acting". We follow it up with it comments like, it will be super hit, 100 days for sure, etc... How many of us here were interested to find out if NEPV broke the record in sales and sold for high price etc... As if, only that will justify the quality of the music. This notion of huge hit = great film/music is just plain absurd but we all inexplicably get caught up in that notion.
Nowadays I'm trying to harmonize this negative feeling with a counter view... that ppl just care for a filmmaker/producer/musician to succeed and want to help them! But to only work for a Hit or to work on a film or music with a sole notion of making it a hit is bit offensive to the craft you practice. Being a filmmaker and speaking from personal experience, I can say this, whenever I tried to write for market, it sucked or if it was good, it still missed something. Whenever I get angry at something, get bothered by something, or love something deeply, and then tried to expressed it in film, there was always this unexplainable "x" factor that moved ppl and me, more than I can explain.
It is worth repeating that for Raja, all things begin with story, characters, emotions and ideas. Rest is out of his hand and he cannot control it. He has worked long enough to know, he should not care about the rewards. He has gained this incredible ability to compartmentalize creation of songs and the success that it brings. He does not let lack of success affect his creativity and his process of creation. This is just so hard for any artist, at any level to do. If I'm allowed to go into superlatives, he is not just Isaignani but we could also call him Isaiyogi. Isai is his karma. Now, coming to market? What market???
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13th November 2012, 07:40 PM
#3269
Senthilv.com,
Being a raja fan it must have been really very easy for you to oversee things, so just sharing a counter view to your points....
Originally Posted by
senthilv.com
When Raja says "Naan Screen", he doesn't mean film won't happen without him (I assume that's the interpretation taken here). He means, he doesn't know any music, and the film goes through him (Or projects into him) turning into music. If the film is not projected into the frame, there is no cinema but screen is just a tool. Raja also sees himself as tool, that when possessed by appropriate emotions, outputs music. Hence no emotion, there is no film, no music, no Raja. He is not being egotistical here but humble or self-depreciating. He has repeated this point in other forums with different analogies. He just happened to use "screen" analogy here.
Self-depreciating????? wow... are we so blindfolded or born just yesterday? You may want to note his hand gesture when saying "will there be a screen without cinema?" - and then he points to himself saying "music(he) is not what you think, its something that can't be marketed...". I can clearly see his head weighing zillion...gazillion tons. Your posts seems to ignore it. Perfectly understandable when you love the person. I can't say that I love the person as much as I love his music. He trys to be modest yet bearing very heavy weight on his shoulders - comes off inadvertently in every such outings from none other than the man himself.
Originally Posted by
senthilv.com
When I see this video, I feel bad for him. I see him as a true artist, a talent wasted most of the time and caught in a industry, that 99% of time, bereft of artistic value, integrity and respect for craft. The fixation with making a film/music huge hit is nauseating. The bug is with the audience too. We are never satisfied with saying "Great film" or "Great music" or "Great acting". We follow it up with it comments like, it will be super hit, 100 days for sure, etc... How many of us here were interested to find out if NEPV broke the record in sales and sold for high price etc... As if, only that will justify the quality of the music. This notion of huge hit = great film/music is just plain absurd but we all inexplicably get caught up in that notion.
Nowadays I'm trying to harmonize this negative feeling with a counter view... that ppl just care for a filmmaker/producer/musician to succeed and want to help them! But to only work for a Hit or to work on a film or music with a sole notion of making it a hit is bit offensive to the craft you practice. Being a filmmaker and speaking from personal experience, I can say this, whenever I tried to write for market, it sucked or if it was good, it still missed something. Whenever I get angry at something, get bothered by something, or love something deeply, and then tried to expressed it in film, there was always this unexplainable "x" factor that moved ppl and me, more than I can explain.
he is a great artist alright, but What makes you think his talent is wasted? Whatever popularity he's got is what he would've got and deservedly so. Let's not blame the audience for nauseating - his music is spontaneous and such distractions might not intervene. If Raja wants to make music for the sake of just music, there are countless other avenues. NEPV is a movie - involves teamwork. Without GVM, it wouldn't have happened. Let's not kid ourselves here - you being a filmmaker, would you not want your music to be commercially hit so you can be profitable? If a core member of a team doesn't care about profitability and operate in a mind of his/her own, you would arrange him/her a royal departure. Raja music is loved by the masses and therefore roped in by the makers for profits. NEPV isn't a art but a commercial film - make no mistake about it.
Originally Posted by
senthilv.com
It is worth repeating that for Raja, all things begin with story, characters, emotions and ideas. Rest is out of his hand and he cannot control it. He has worked long enough to know, he should not care about the rewards. He has gained this incredible ability to compartmentalize creation of songs and the success that it brings. He does not let lack of success affect his creativity and his process of creation. This is just so hard for any artist, at any level to do. If I'm allowed to go into superlatives, he is not just Isaignani but we could also call him Isaiyogi. Isai is his karma. Now, coming to market? What market???
Karma? what karma?
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13th November 2012, 08:56 PM
#3270
Junior Member
Regular Hubber
Originally Posted by
brigs
Senthilv.com,
Being a raja fan it must have been really very easy for you to oversee things, so just sharing a counter view to your points....
From what you know about Raja so far, can you write few lines about his; belief, outlook, philosophy etc in music as a art form?. You may say why should I care. But without knowing what you know, there is no point answering you. It will lead to no where.
Last edited by layman10; 13th November 2012 at 09:00 PM.
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