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bollywood vs kollywood!!!

Topic started by shwetha (@ 219.65.96.58) on Wed Jan 1 23:26:33 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I feel the Hindi audience, these days, is totally tasteless...seeing the kind of movies made in bollywood! They seem so unbelievably idiotic. And the music...even worse!!! Even lagaan and devdas, i feel were not as great as they claimed they were. Definitely not Oscar caliber :O When Lagaan was nominated for Oscar... we had pop-ups on MSN saying "Ask Spielerg to watch Lagaan"!!!! I mean idhellam konjam over-aa therialay??!! All the Hindi movies ever have is standard-aa one family bzness and a wedding and a holiday some place like NZ, Swiss et al. Tamil movies are far far better in content and music and everything. What do u say?

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• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Wed Feb 18 01:33:18 EST 2004
  
  adhu matter...
  namma aalunga enga ponalum compare panniye uyira vaangiduvaanga.
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.199.252) on: Wed Feb 18 04:55:59 EST 2004
  
  ":My dear friend. Poonai kanna moodinal boologam irundadhu. You are forgetting the huge audience in middle east,USA and UK "
  
  We are talking of quality. The quality of HFM is sustained only by copying at least in last 30 years.
  
  
  
  "You dumb idiot. I didnt say hindi movies have ghazals. I was referring to music as a whole. "
  
  Fool this is about Hindi movies. Does the title "bollywood vs kollywood" suggest anything else other than filmy music?
  
  "Where all in north india have you been? Leave north india. Atleast have you been to mumbai or pune? "
  
  Have lived in Delhi. Been to Mumbai. Does that count?
  
  
  "Do you know every week there is a classical music program or ghazal program or something of that sort. "
  
  When time permits check out the december festival in chennai. There is nothing that compares to that.
  
  "Have you heard of a music director called ismail d.
  Heard of shankar ehssan roy. "
  
  
  Moron, it is Loy not Roy. Now don't pretent it is a typo. The key 'L' and Key 'R' are far apart on the keyboard. SEL have done 10 films? Go check www.iespana.es/i2fs and see how many Hindi MDs have been proven copycats. From Dil Chahta hain, they have been on downhill. Abhay, Arman and Kuch Na Kaho have all done nothing really.
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Wed Feb 18 05:09:54 EST 2004
  
  ok ok. it was a mistake.
  if you reread the posts i had made, i said that ghazal is not a type of film music. I said that people have various options of listening to music. not just movies. I was referring to ghazal in that sense. That they have so much variety if they want to listen to music.
  
  I care a damn about whatever else you like to say.
  malai paathu naai koracha malaiku nashtam illai
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.128.161) on: Wed Feb 18 07:36:39 EST 2004
  
  The whole thing Bolly versus Kolly is comparing apples to oranges.
  it shows people with different cultures and likings.
  So the tastes are completly different, the hindi film music sticks to the market than the story, the same thing can be said about Tamil, 50 kms from Chennai the tastes to change a lot, they might listen to manmatha rasa more than any good music.
  And we cant blame people for their tastes, as long people like such stuff there will deenas to make it, and as long people aren't fed up with the routine wedding song, Devotional songs, festival songs in HFM, MDs will make only such stuff.
  As for the originality and making tunes fresh, i feel IR of the past and ARR are light years ahead to HFMDs.
  The best thing is to enjoy what one likes and its not a great idea to start comparing.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bollywood music sucks (@ 68.161.213.176) on: Wed Feb 18 21:45:57 EST 2004
  
  "if you reread the posts i had made, i said that ghazal is not a type of film music. I said that people have various options of listening to music. not just movies. I was referring to ghazal in that sense. That they have so much variety if they want to listen to music. "
  
  What load of nonsense is this? I am not talking about what variety they have to listen. You can pretty much listen to anything you want. There is no such rule that anyone can't listen to Ghazals etc. It is not about listeners choice I am talking about. I am talking about what music that is made in Bollywood(now don't bring in Hindustani, Ghazal, Qawali, Gurbani and Mujra). We are talking about Hindi Film Music, which has lacked creativity for good 30 years now. Only quality MD to started off in that period in HFM is ARRahman. Others like Kalyanji Anandji were old timers. RD Burman was a glorified scam. Old greats like SD Burman, Salil, Naushad, OP Nayyar, Shakar Jaikishan, Madan Mohan were either dead or stopped scoring long time back. Now I am not talking about Golden period of Hindi music 40s-60s. I am talking about music since 70s which is nothing more than a huge copyright scam. Theek hain. Now, if you want to come up with a name of *one* guy who is original in the post 70s and scored for 50-60 films at least, let me know. And don't drift to anything else other than film music.
  
  
  
  "I care a damn about whatever else you like to say. malai paathu naai koracha malaiku nashtam illai"
  
  You started name calling. I paidback in kind.
  
  
• From: ssvn (@ 203.200.199.155) on: Thu Feb 19 02:48:43 EST 2004
  
  
  There is a PS's/TMS's generation. Check their opinion of the TFM in the last 30 years
  Check out the general opinion of IR's followers w.r.t other MD's.
  Even see what IR has to say about last 10-15 years and
  check what ARR has to say for the same period. I refuse to buy any "GENERIC"
  catogarization of paricular period as wholy JUNK whether it is from the above people or
  from someone else who says last 30 years of HFM sucked.
  
  Yes the run of HFM till late 70s was fantastic and did run into a very bad patch in 80s but
  this was a transition phase. Old timers were getting old (both MDs and singers). It was
  like the Indian hockey situation that didnt know whether to play in the old style or in
  the European style when the artificial turf was introduced and the rules changed to suit
  european style of play. Both suffered for the same reasons.
  
  The general indian style of composing (raga based) depends a lot on the singers. You can never
  fanthom what the output would have been had someone lesser sung the song that you now consider
  as a classic. When the cream of singers in HFM died (or in Lata's case aged out) the panic button
  was hit. Such was the impact that people looked for clones rather than good talent that could
  be nurtured and brought up. Whenever such a thing happens it takes a big time to recover or to
  take a new shape.
  In fact the same thing is slowly happening in TFM. Compare the occasional hits of IR with his
  yesteryear compositions. See how many songs SPB is singing. ARR and additons are the in-thing
  today in TFM and ARR has become a common factor for both industries. Apart from that
  i dont see much difference in the two industries whether good or bad.
  
  Close your eyes and the world is dark only to you. RD was a class act. IR is a
  "composing genius" and i dont form that opinion based on songs like "Singari Piyari"/"Ponnana meni"
  /"adi raakaayi"/"April-May-iley" but on songs like "Nee thaaney"/"Pon maalai"/"Kaadalin deepam" and
  countless other gems. Similarly my opinion (and of countless others) on RD as a class act is
  based NOT on the 20 odd numbers that were inspirations/replicas but from the "whole view point".
  ARR too gives good music and he does have numbers that are inspiration/copies. He was never unduly glorified when at peak, its only now that the media and remixes keep bringing him under spotlight. IR said, HFM was fortunate to have
  some singers you could bank on if you had to compose with your imagination running wild.RD he said was one of the most succesful in combinging the two.I dont like talking about replicas but RDs inspiration (most) have done better than
  the original because there was something definitely local and original about them too.
  --srivid
  
  
• From: abshaj (@ 205.188.208.73) on: Tue Feb 24 22:05:40 EST 2004
  
  i think that indian girls are more sexy than looywood
  
  
• From: FBI (@ 130.225.53.16) on: Wed Feb 25 03:37:03 EST 2004
  
  Comparing Bollywood and Kollywood is like comparing apple and apple. The both industry only makes semi pornographic movies where the girls plays innocent girls and dress like prostitutes. I dont know much abt hindi movies but i think they are better than the tamil masala predictibel movies. Producers waste lot of money on singers, groupdancers, lyricwriters and dance masters, save the money and try to use them to make your stories more realistic folks. Bollywood is more wellknown in the world why? Bec the tamil movies stinks a lot
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 129.120.173.66) on: Fri Feb 27 01:59:50 EST 2004
  
  I'm fed up with Indian films in general. All over India there are remakes of Hollywood movies and in the North there are remakes of South Indian films and vice versa. Seems that the only area in which there is some vitality is music, and even then it is iffy.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 61.247.248.144) on: Fri Feb 27 11:01:03 EST 2004
  
  this kinda reasoning is an insult to the FBI!!
  Is that a CIA detective taking a dig? :)
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.75) on: Fri Feb 27 12:16:42 EST 2004
  
  curses,
  scientific kelvi kekura maari indirect-a CIA-va insult pannitaye, hmmm! :)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 61.247.248.144) on: Fri Feb 27 12:33:46 EST 2004
  
  cha cha..
  CIA-va insult pannuvena..NIA-va vena pannuven! (adhaanba Narasimha Intelligence Agency!)
  reread my sentence. :)
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.195) on: Mon Mar 1 14:32:51 EST 2004
  
  intha pakkathai padithu vittu katturaikul nulaiavum.
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/18039.12190.23.26.33.html
  
  Jacky, Ferrari, Paran yaenayorkku,
  
  Kalappumanangalai aatharithamayaal isaiyin kalapayum aatharikka kadamaipattulaen endra thangalin korikayaia muthalil parisalithu vittu pin matravaigalukku selvom. Melotamaga paarthaal neengal ezhuthiyathai paarthu unmaithaano endru oru kanam thidukittu thaan ponaen. Aazha parisalikkum bodhae purinthathu naam anaivarum muranpadugalin mootaigalai ullom enbadhu. Manithargal matravargalodu muranpadugiraargal, samoogam yaenaya samoogangalodu muranpadugirathu. Koornthu nokinaal manithn thannodae pala nerangalil muranpadugiraan enbadhum pulapadum. Aayin muranpadugal konda manithan ethuvum pesa arugathai atravan aagirana endraal athuvum sari illai. Intha muranpadugalin mootayil samanpadugalai thaedi thaanum thanathu samoogamum sariyaana vazhthalukkana vazhigalai thaeduvatharkana kadamai ovoruvarkum undu.
  Sellidapesiyai patri paeti kudukum athae kamal pannattu niruvangal matrum ulagamayamaakathukku ethiraga kural kudukiraar [utha: 1.Virumaandi- English oratha pottu enga nelatha paazhaakiduveenga... 2. Anbae sivam- Arisiyila irunthu manjal varaikum avan thirudittu poraan...3.Kungumam Paeti - Pepsi, Coke namakku thevai illai, namathu naatu ilaneer matrum more kudiyungal...].Kamal muranpadugiraar endru ithai oru paithiyakaaranin ularal edru vittu viduvoma allathu ithilirukkum unmaigalai aarainthu thelivu kolvoma enbathae indru nam mun ulla kelvi.
  Ulagamayamaakal matrum thaaraalamayamaakalin kora karangalil naam anaivarumae sikkundullom. Enin ithilirunthu vidupaduvatharkana Muyarchi seivoma allathu irunthu vittu pogatumae endru vittuviduvoma? Ulagamayamaakalin theemaigalai patri 10 aandugalukku munnar siru munangal ezhuntha pozhuthu anaivarum kandu kollamal vittu vittom. Ippozhuthu satru urakavae munumunupugal angondrum ingondrumaga kaetka aarambithullana. Anaithu vazhigalum adaipattu, sangiliyaal pinaikkapatirunthum nammil silar sirchila asaivugalai yaerpaduthi paarkiraargal. Ungalai pol silar sangiliyaal pinaikapattum suthanthiramai ulleergal endra pannattu mugavargalin maayaikku kattupattulleergal. Nandru, Engal asaiviyakkathai kochai paduthatheer.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.195) on: Mon Mar 1 14:33:40 EST 2004
  
  Isaikkum itharkkum enna sammandham?
  Ulagamayamaakalin vilaivugalai palvaeru thalangalil ethirkka vediya pozhuthu, nam samoogathin meedhu alapariyaa sooktchamana thaakoothalai erpaduthum isaiyai kooda arasiyal kann kondae paarka vendiyullathu. 10 aandugalukku munnar iruntha kaalakattathil IR isayil maerkathiya isai nunookangalai kaiyaanda pozhuthu itharkaana thaevai yaerpadavillai. Aanal MTV, Channel[V] matrum ARR vagayaraavin varavukku pinnar Avai enna vagayaana thaakangalai nam samoogathin meedhu yaerpaduthugindrana ebdru kavanikka vaendiyathaagirathu.
  Isai enbadhu indru oru pandamaai namakku vazhangapadugirathu. Athai nugarum namum oru pandamai irukirom. Isai vyabarathukana matrum verumanae oru kelikkaikaana oru porulaai pannattu niruvangal nammai Karuthiyal reethiyaga nambavaithullana. En Nike, En Rayban, En Levis, En ARR avalavae ithil ulla kanitha soothiram. Andril, Sonyum, Weberum, IRin thiramayil mayeerukka kooda samamatra ARR ai Agila ulaga methaaviyaaga chitharipaargala? Isai enbadhu manitha manangalukku pulapadaatha aaga thulliyamaana oru kalai. Antha kalaikku Verum kaliveri aatathirkku baliyittu panam seivathu mattumae inniruvanangalin nokkam.Intha nokkathil 100 sathavigitham porunthi pogiraar Ragumaan. 'Isaikku varaiyaraigal kidaiyaathu, ella isaiyum ondrae' endra IR in kootrukkum 'Isaikku varaiyaraigal kidaiyaathu ini ellam orae ulagisaithaan' endra ARR kooruvathayum oppu nokki munnathil isaiyai patriya oru meiyaana kalaiganin unarvukkum pinnathil Isayin vyabaarathai patriya oru vyabaariyin aazhamaana purithalukkum ida adayaalaam kaanbathu namathu kaalathin thevai aagirathu.
  Makkalai thodarchoiyaana adimai manobaavathil layikka seithu, thangal vaniga nokkangalai nilainaati kollum pannaattu niruvanangalin sathikku baliyaagi pona oru kaiyarunilayil ulla ARRai thaan naan kaangiraen. Illayael namathu desiyapadalaana 'Vandhae matharath'ai Ivalavu kochayaaga Sonyodu sernthu vyaabaaram seiyya munnvanthirupaara enbathu sandhegamae?ARRin isai entha vagayaana makkalai kavarugirathu endru muthalil kavaniyungal, nagarpurathil ulla, palli matrum kaloori sellum ilaignargalai ithu athigamaaga kavarugirathu. ARRun ithai thelivaaga purinthu vaithulaar. Avarukkaana sandhayai avar kandu kondapin avar atharkaana isaiyai varaiaruthu thanthu isayai virkiraar.
  
  

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