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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: Prasanna Sadagopan (@ mecad1.maem.umr.edu) on: Sat Jul 31 12:45:10 EDT 1999
  
  Can anyone tell me if the song "Thazhampoo" in one of these movies "Sengottai"/"DevaRaagam" is set in
  the Ragam Madhyamaavathi.
  
  Thanks in advance!!
  
  
• From: saketh (@ chem-pc-44.rutgers.edu) on: Wed Aug 4 21:20:19 EDT 1999
  
  Does anyone remember the song "neelak kadalin orathil" from the movie "Annnai Velaankanni" (what a melodious song!!)? Is it based on mohanam? or what raga is it? thanks.
  
  
• From: Isai Rasigai (@ columbo.wfd.com) on: Thu Aug 5 10:37:21 EDT 1999
  
  Prasanna:
  
  To me the thaazhampoo song sounds more like SriRaagam (lot of ri ma pa ni sa ri ga ri sa ni pa ma ri ga ri prayogam is used)
  
  
• From: Dhandapani (@ 207.12.166.86) on: Fri Aug 6 16:02:24 EDT 1999
  
  Seketh,
  nice to remind the old-nice song.
  When I tryed it sounds like Sankarabharanam without Pa. Since I heard this song years back, I may be little wrong.
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ snfcba08-01.splitrock.net) on: Fri Aug 6 23:13:18 EDT 1999
  
  Saketh, it is mohanam alright,GDevarajan is the MD.
  MS, Hari, Geetha,SK
  I am told that "Rasika" CD has all the information on variations ,deviations or common usage of most raagas. I will get info on this soon.
  
  
• From: SK (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sat Aug 7 01:05:40 EDT 1999
  
  Sriram:
  
  I look forward to more info about that CD.
  
  
• From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.22.172) on: Sat Aug 7 12:34:05 EDT 1999
  
  Hi,
  I own a copy of Rasika . .The software comes on 2 FDs , needs a Pentium , Sound card, >12 MB RAM and needs 6 MB of harddisk space. Overall , if you ask me to rate it , I would give 8.5/10 . It consists of Rasika , which has 5 modules (Intro, Melam , Thaalam ,Raagam and Physics of Music) , and Gayaka , which is like a music player , into which the swarams can be coded .It plays the music in either veena or flute .The samples(char. phrases ) of ragas given in the software are really excellent . There is a small notation to be followed while keying in swarams , which is a bit irritating to start with , but becomes easy once one starts to use the software .
  It is available from :
  Mr.Subramaniam
  339,Natesa Nagar,
  Chennai - 92
  Phone : (044) 4871513
  It costs Rs 1400/=. In case you have the earlier version , like I did , it is available for Rs 840/=.
  Bye
  
  
  
  
• From: SK (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sat Aug 7 19:00:45 EDT 1999
  
  Hrishikesh:
  
  We really appreciate the detailed information.
  
  
• From: v.gurumurthy (@ decap.digital.com.sg) on: Mon Aug 9 09:23:22 EDT 1999
  
  hi everybody
  this is gurumurthy from bangalore
  i think the song `oranjaram from kakkai siraginiley' is actually in kaapi ragam. it changes to desh in the charanam.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Aug 10 23:46:26 EDT 1999
  
  Gurumurthy:
  
  I think yours is a very good observation. In the lines "ushaaraiyya" I can hear the "G1" which in uncharacteristic of Desh (I believe). As far as I know Desh does not have "G1".
  
  You are right. It changes to Desh in the charanam. But it reverts back to Kaapi in the last line of charanam ("sonnathu nammalillai)". Thanks for your info.It is really one of the finest of IR polluted only with insensible lyrics.
  
  SL and hrishi:
  
  Thx for your info. I am delighted to about the CD. It seems a good buy. Thx for your suggestion.
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 12.austin-08-09rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) on: Sat Aug 14 13:10:48 EDT 1999
  
  Hi
  Doesnt the Jiyaan jale song from Dil Se sound like its based on Hindolam and Dil se re in Madhyamavathi? (sorry for mentioning hindi songs,i havent heard the tamil equivalent)
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Sun Aug 15 08:10:51 EDT 1999
  
  Vasu: I would say that Nenjinile(Jiyan Jale) is in Natabairavhi, sounding a lot like the Ravi Shankar Thillana.
  
  MS/Gurumoorthy: I must take another listen, as I identified it as Desh throughout and wondered why he says in the middle that he's changing to Desh. As opposed to Kafi, could it predominantly be in Brindhavana Saaranga(Brindhavani)? That's closer to Desh than Kaafi is?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Mon Aug 16 16:53:04 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha:
  
  Does brindaavan saaranga have "D2" ? As far as I know it does not have. But the Oranjaaram song has clear repeated usage of "D2". Hence I feel it is probably in Desh.
  
  
• From: SK (@ azure.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 18 06:14:22 EDT 1999
  
  Sriram, MS and Others:
  
  Here is a homepage for the RASIKA CD..
  
  http://users.erols.com/subramani/index.html
  
  
• From: Dev Mannemela (@ prxy-01.softimage.com) on: Thu Aug 19 12:41:49 EDT 1999
  
  Hi all !
  
  Could you give me any details of
  the Raga characteristics of 'Iswar Allah' from 'Earth'
  and
  the IR-song "Oru Devadai Vandhadhu" ( SPB- Asha Bhosle ) ?
  
  THanks a lot,
  Dev
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 207.247.192.247) on: Thu Aug 19 17:36:10 EDT 1999
  
  Dev !!
  'Ishvar allah' is in 'Amir kalyaani'. For a detailed analysis of the 1947-Earth songs (by Shashi), click here : http://newtfmpage.com/forum/17868.20092.10:23:15.html
  
  
  BTW, Does anybody know whether 'vaishnava janatho' is also set in 'Amir kalyaani' or not ?!!!
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ htc.prt.com) on: Fri Aug 20 17:18:02 EDT 1999
  
  Does anybody know any film song near to or equivalent to "Hemavathi"( Sri kanthimathim is the only song in carnatic music ,I'm aware of in this raga).
  
  Also any carnatic song in the same raga would also be interesting to find.
  
  Thanks in advance...
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Fri Aug 20 23:54:58 EDT 1999
  
  Gopal: 'manam pola maangalyam' (chitra in 'puthupatti ponnuthaayi') is a good Hemavathi.
  
  There are couple of arabic style songs (e.g. 'yeh shabba') which happen to be in Hemavathi scale.
  
  
• From: v.gurumurthy (@ decap.digital.com.sg) on: Sat Aug 21 01:47:42 EDT 1999
  
  MS/GEETHA
  it is normally very easy to identify desh or kaapi of brindavana saaranga in the classical song but in films unless it is composed specifically. (like `hey paadal ondru' from priya which is kaapi). as you say it could also be brindiavana saranaga, but certainly there is one more raaga involved in the song other than desh.
  what do you say?
  
  
• From: Anand Subramaniam (@ 203.197.133.82) on: Sat Aug 21 06:44:23 EDT 1999
  
  Hi folks,
  
  Could you please tell me the ragam of the following songs... thanks in advance..
  
  1. Deivam thantha veedu veethi irukku -- ival oru thodarkathai
  2. O maane maane maane unnai thane
  3. Iamaiyanum poongkattru padiyathu or paattu
  4. Ninaivo oru paravai..
  5. podhuvaga en manasu thangam - murattu kalai
  6. poomalayae tholl serava
  7. En eniya ponn nilave
  8. Oru sanam thungiduchu ..
  9. Vaa vennila unnaithane vanam thedudhe..
  10. Nee thana antha kuyil -- mudalmariyadai
  
  I have more.. i shall wait till these get answers.. Please help me..
  
  Bye,
  
  Anand.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Aug 21 16:53:12 EDT 1999
  
  Anand:
  
  The list you have provided does not have many songs which are set strictly in any of the ragams as far as I know. But most of them are mixed versions of Natabhairavi and Keeravani scales.
  
  
• From: N.Sundar (@ 202.54.64.130) on: Mon Aug 23 03:35:39 EDT 1999
  
  nenjinile (or) Jiyaa jale is 'SINDHUBHAIRAVI'..
  You people are confusing on other ragaas..
  Rehman's 'margali thingal allavaa' is also '
  Sindhubhairavi'..
  Rehman's ' Theendaai mei theendaai' is madhyamaavathi...
  Rehman's 'Anjali Anjali Pushpaanjali' is
  Shankaraabharanam..
  Song 'Pyar huvaa chup keise' is Pure Ameer kalyaani..
  Rehman's 'sakiye ni thaan thunaiye'(film: Andhimandharai) is yaman kalyaani..
  Rehman's 'maargali puve' is pure hindolam..
  Gnani's povomaa oorvolam is 'keeravaani'..
  rehmaan's bombay theme music resembles
  misara kapi ( cannot call kapi completely)..
  i hope you people are clear with some common
  ragaas with famous songs.
  Rehmaan's saukkiyamaa is maandu raagam..
  Rehman's minsaara kanna is hamsaanandhi..
  Rehman's malargale malargale is behaag raagam..
  
  I hope you people are clear now..
  
  -Sundar
  
  
• From: N.Sundar (@ 202.54.64.130) on: Mon Aug 23 03:37:37 EDT 1999
  
  Can anybody give me mail id of
  A.R.Rehman??
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ htc.prt.com) on: Mon Aug 23 17:33:02 EDT 1999
  
  Sundar
  
  I think Anjali Anjali is proper "Maand" in the beginnimng (like Thiruvulayadal song "Naan paada indroru naal podhuma).
  
  Please revisit..
  
  Others calrify
  
  rgds
  gopal
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ htc.prt.com) on: Mon Aug 23 17:36:05 EDT 1999
  
  RR- Thanks for the update on Hemavathi. I'll listen to the song you've mentioned. Any place I could listen to it on the web?
  
  Thanks again..
  
  Rgds
  Gopal
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ 4.austin-01-02rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon Aug 23 18:03:46 EDT 1999
  
  Sundar:
  I have contradicting info about some of the rehman songs you mentioned, netters, pls clarify.
  
  margali thingal allavaa: looks like a Natabharaivi derivative raga, may be sindhubhairavi (whats the parent of sindhubhairiavi? Dr.Bhagyalakshmy's book says it is Natakapriya, though i think there are various versions of s.b)
  
  Theendaai mei theendaai: i thought it was Sri, the 'rgr rgrs' typical of Sri is heard in the song
  Anjali Anjali Pushpaanjali: i think and am sure it is Maand.
  maargali puve: yes this is hindolam
  saukkiyamaa: yes, it is maand.
  minsaara kanna: i think its Vasantha. Geetha says its more of Hindustani Basanth.
  malargale malargale: in one of rehmans interview i remember him saying that this is in Saraswathi/Hamir Kalyani.
  
  Pls clarify. Thanks
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Mon Aug 23 22:32:58 EDT 1999
  
  Gopal: you can request for this song in "Rare hits of Ilayaraja" thread.
  
  Sundar: Malargale malargale is not behaag. It's in suddha sarang.
  
  

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