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"Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhi" From Urimaik Kural

Topic started by Bhoori (@ 64.171.13.98) on Tue Aug 10 11:02:22 EDT 2004.
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I am listening to this song as I type. The first few lines go

Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
Kanneeril Ezhudhadhe
Manjal Vanam Thendral Kaatru
Unakkagave Naan Vaazhgiren

Is there any connection between the first two lines and the last two? I can as well write

Vizhiye Kathai Ezhudhu
Kanneeril Ezhudadhe
Vengaya Sambar Thakkali Chatni
Masala Dosai Sappitten

And I have heard that MGR & Kannadasan had a longstanding tiff, but Sridhar surreptiously got Kannadasan to write the lyrics - which impressed MGR so much that the tiff came to an end. I can't figure out why MGR should get impressed with such lousy lyrics.

Can someone see some coherence or meaning into this? Please explain, if you can. I would love to be proven wrong!

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• From: hehehewalrus (@ ) on: Sat Oct 9 23:15:08 EDT 2004
  
  azhagiya kannae uravugal neeyae
  nee engae ini naan angae
  en saey alla thaay nee
  
  sangam kaanaadhadhu thamizhum alla
  thanai ariyaadhaval thaayum alla
  en veettil enrum chandhiroadhayam
  naan kandaen velli nilaa
  
  sorgam eppoadhum nam kaiyilae
  adhai naan kangiraen un kannilae
  en nenjam enrum kannaadi dhaan
  en dheyvam maangalyam dhaan
  
  manjal enrenrum nilaiyaanadhu
  mazhai vandhaalumae kalaiyadhadhu
  en veettil enrum alai paayudhu
  en nenjam alaiyaadudhu
  
  ---I want to know the meaning of these lyrics. Hope SK Sir will give a fascination explanation for them!!
  
  
• From: SK (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Sun Oct 10 21:57:53 EDT 2004
  
  Are you serious!!?
  What is you want to know?
  Cotext? meaning? specific lines?
  What is it?
  I smell something here!! :-))
  
  
• From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.127.77.166) on: Sun Oct 10 22:55:27 EDT 2004
  
  SK Sir, i have not seen the movie and only know this to be a great song. Only information I know is that the lady singing this goes thru bitter circumstances or faces domestic violence. Inspite of this, why does she say 'en veettil enrum chandhiroadhayam', 'en nenjam alaiyaadudhu', 'en dheyvam maangalyam dhaan' - which are very contradictory statements?
  
  Also, I can somehow makeout other lines, but not getting "sangam kaanaadhadhu thamizhum alla,
  thanai ariyaadhaval thaayum alla"
  
  Isn't "en saey alla thaay nee" similar to "pillai petrum pillai aanaen" in katrukenna veli song?
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 13:39:32 EDT 2004
  
  pAdalAsiriyar uRangiya sila idangaL:
  
  1. `bhArathi kaNNaiyA, neeyE chinnaiyA' (ninaithAlE inikkum, kaNNadAsan):-))))
  
  bhArathi kaNNammA OK, but kaNNaiyA engirundhu vandhAr? Probably KD wrote the first few lines while the rest of the song was filled in by assistants, like panju arunAchalam...This is another interesting thing about KD -having `assistants'
  
  2. `muththa nivAraNam enakkaLippAi'(mudhalvan, VM)
  `nivAraNam' needed only for difficult situations like vali, vaRatchi, veLLam etc. Why it's needed for `muththam'...(if he has meant muththam as nivAraNam for something, like viragam, then the usage is wrong..it should be viraga nivAranam...vadamozhi theriyAmal sodhappi vittAr)
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Oct 11 14:05:07 EDT 2004
  
  'hhhw',
  The famous 'udhirippookkal' song you have querried has been elaborately discussed under SOTD#129 and the related links given there. Here are some from there! If you still need any specific details, pl. let me know. Great song! Great movie!!
  
  Azhagiya kanne uravugal neeye in "Udhirippookkal". The song has nothing artificial about it as against songs that are picturised in movies. It shows the genuine love of a woman for her man and her children. The love between the children and the mother are shown as a melliya nool pOndra paasam which is hidden but strong. The song is picturised in such a way that the woman who is in grief is a mother who has to take care of her little children and also has to think about her future without her husband who is not hers anymore. Her sadness, the children's innocence and the unknowingness of the future is so beautifully portrayed. The lost look in the mother's eyes (Aswini) and her tender love for her children are expressed beautifully. The line "manjal endrendrum nilaianadhu mazhai vandhalumE kalaiadhadhu" shows her strong love for her husband. The two children playing around the banks of the river, helping their mom in washing clothes and having fun is portayed for the line "sorgam eppodhum nam veetilE adhai naan kangirEn un kannilE". I just love this song.
  
  - In http://newtfmpage.com/forum/19832.touched.html , shankar writes:
  "azhagiya kaNNE uRavugaL neeyE" is one song which affected me much.
  This song from mahendran's uthirippookkaL shows why a wife tolerates all the troubles given to her by her husband. She lives only for her children.She says in one scene, "if not for the children, i wud 've thrown the thAli u tied on ur face".
  The song portrays her agony as well as the love she has for the children.
  A slight change in the tune and SJ's soulful rendition show all these emotions.
  
  At the end of first stanza Sj sings,
  "nam veettil enrum chandrodayam
  nAn kaNdEn veLLI nilA" -she sings it happily showing her affection for the children.
  Again the next stanza starts with "sorgam eppOdhum nam kayilE adhai nAn kAngirEn un kaNNilE" with a happy mood but it changes to a sorrowful mood when she sings "en jeevan mAngalyam dhAn". The beauty of the song is the way the mood is changed seamlessly as the stanza progresses.
  
  azhagiya kannae. You have to see the song in terms of its situation....basically, the song shows Ashwini enjopying the antics/pranks of her children...and towards the end, the song meanders to her helplessness against a tyrannical husband...I can remeber thathaunting scene where mahendran shows her sitting in a pensive mood with the children playing nearby and the score to match. Here, the situation turns from the playful gaiety of the children to the melancholic helplessness of Ashwini. Hence, the change in the interlude...the tangential shoot.
  If, on the other hand, you mean the other two interludes in the song as being digressive ..I have no explanations :).
  There is also a point raised by B.Lenin, the editor of the movie in some TV Prog. Somewhere towards the endof the interlude before the second stanza, there is a visual showing a goat 'thulli'fying(couldnt htink of the english equivalent of thulli!)...and the in the bkg,Raja will play a beautiful flute piece , that actually makes you feel the thullal of the goat. He said Mahendran had the song planned out almost to detail..before asking raja to compose..so, imagine how much thought must gnani have put into the song. Also, note the visual where Ashwini and the boy wash clothes...little anju is simply playing in the banks in this visual...and on observing the other two 'pizhunjufy' the clothes , she pizhunjufies her pavadai, which is dripping with water. It is so cute to watch...and HEAR ! I am sure that whatever be the shrtcomings of those interludes from your musical point of view, the fact that they brought out each and every emotion, detail of the scene, IMO, makes up for it. I dont think this song should be quoted as an example of "INTERLUDE DEVIATING FROM MAIN SONG"...because, they were supposed to, considering that is what the scene requires. Maybe, you have many such songs , where you felt that the Interludes deviate. But I feel this song can be justified.
  And , ofcourse, I would like to believe that if raja deviated, it is with the same reason as cited above for this song ! :)
  I guess this is what makes IR great...the songs so beautifully blend with the situation. I have no knowledge of music, meter, tempo etc. SO,perhaps, I am missing your point.
  But even if they did deviate, I thought those were two awesome interludes in Azhagiya kannae...
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Oct 11 14:12:13 EDT 2004
  
  Mr.pANdiyan,
  Bharathi 'kaNNammA'vai mattum alla; 'kaNNan'aiyum kooda pAdi irukkiRAr!
  Kannanukku innoru peyar kannaiah!
  idhil kuzhappam onRum illai!
  
  'puyal'nivAraNam, 'veLLa'nivAraNam, 'mazhai'nivAraNam pOla, 'muththa'nivAraNam onRum thavaRalla!!
  'muththam' kidaikkaamal yEngubavarukku vERu yenna, 'idli'yaa kodukka mudiyum?!
  'muththa'nivAraNam thaan kodukkaNum!
  KD,VM iruvarumE pizhai yEdhum puriyavillai!
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 14:57:43 EDT 2004
  
  `mazhai' nivAraNam - it's not a proper usage and no one uses it. It is properly called `vaRatchi nivAraNam'...sappaikkattu kattAdheengO sir, it's a definite slip:-)
  
  kaNNan and kaNNaiyA are not same either, even though your explanation is interesting:-))
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Oct 11 15:19:16 EDT 2004
  
  aiyayyO! naan sonnadhu 'mazhai' veLLaththiRku kodukkappadum nivAraNam!
  'sappaikkattu' illai!
  vadamozhi therindhavarkaLai kEttu vittu sollungaL; 'kaNNan'um, 'kannaiaah'vum onRA illaiyA yenRu!
  
  'bansidharA kanhaiyA ghanashyAma sundarA'nnu oru famous bhajan song kooda irukku--fyi!
  avarthaan namma 'kuzhal oodhum kaNnan'!
  
  neenga yenna andha 'thiruviLaiyaadal'[muththurAman] pANdianA? :-))
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 15:21:54 EDT 2004
  
  SK sir,
  adhu dhAn `veLLa nivAraNam' (means relief/escape from flood)...what is the escape from kiss?:-))
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 15:24:52 EDT 2004
  
  To illustrate:
  `amruthAnjan' is a vali nivAraNi...it's not proper to use `amruthAnja nivAraNam':-) Similarly, `mazhai' is a vaRatchi nivAraNi. You cannot use `mazhai nivAraNam'...
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Oct 11 15:33:47 EDT 2004
  
  panjaththaal varundhubavarkku 'panja nivaaraNam.
  muththam kidaikkaamal varundhubavarkku muththa nivaaranam.
  But, I dont dispute your claims either.
  IT's all how we look at it!
  Either the cup is half empty or half full!!
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 15:34:02 EDT 2004
  
  `dhukka nivirthi' irukku...`santhOsha nivirthi' illainga SK sir:-)
  
  
• From: pANdiyan (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Mon Oct 11 15:35:17 EDT 2004
  
  I'm talking not from the `meaning' aspect, but the language aspect only:-)
  
  
• From: SK (@ 199.90.34.67) on: Mon Oct 11 15:44:15 EDT 2004
  
  actually, these are the words:
  ""kaadhal panjam vandhu nondhaenae muththa nivaaraNam enakkillaiyaa""
  
  Makes sense to me!
  andha panjaththukku andha poNNu vechcha pEru adhu!
  arisiyE kidaikkaadhavanga konjam 'ration'aavadhu kEkkaraanga illiyaa;
  adhupOla, kaadhal panjaththukku konjam muththa nivAranamaavadhu kudungannu kEkkudhu !
  mudinjaa kuduththuttu pOveengaLaa....!
  inga vandhu mozhi sandai pOdureengaLE!
  Take it easy pANdiyan!
  
  

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