The most scathing IR criticism ever, probably!
Topic started by cyk (@ 216.65.106.130) on Sun Sep 3 23:55:27 EDT 2000.
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I found this in the official message board of arrmp3 (geocities.com/arrmp3) run by Karthik, by someone called Pennathur. The write-up is probably the most scathing criticism I've ever come across of IR!!
cyk
Sites like aaraamthinai and indiainfo seem to be publishing motivated stuff about rahman.
let's face it folks there are still some people who can't accept the fact that Ilayaraja is no longer the Raja he was. It is not just that he has retired from the scene or something Rahman has ushered in a new order of things and has come out on top in a more comptetitve market. These controversies also have regional element to them. And please believe me I am not being parochial. Rahman's music is urban and specifically rooted in his favourite city (mine too) MAdras. Ilayaraja is a reluctant resident of Madras and for the talent that comes out of Cumbum, Madurai, Thenee he is the supremo. The composers and musicians in his - Raja's - camp (all incredibly talented) who work on TV serials and small clips for the movies will never accept that Ilayaraja's time is up. And they have been naysayers for a long time. For some time Ilayaraja tried propping up his sons Kartik and Yuvan Shankar, who unfortunately aren't even a glimmer in comparison to their illustrious father. And Kartik the upstart and braggart needlessly muddied himself badmouthing Rahman. Today neither of the boys are anywhere on the scene.
The comparisons that some people wouldn't like to make are as follows:
Ilayaraja was a swollen headed man - how many of you know that the title Isaignani was self-anointed?
While Rahman continues to remain a humble person and makes no great claims for himself except that he slogs his whatever off for each and every song
Ilayaraja was virtually hostile towards the press and never deigned to grant interviews or enven show himself in public. Rahman is approachable and fields soem fairly sensitive questions
Ilayaraja is but one in a long line of film composers in the many languages of India. But have you ever heard him acknowledging his own guru - GK Venkatesh - or MSV or anyone else? Rahman n the other hand is profuse in his praise for other composers and even acknowledges the genius of Ilayaraja
Rahman was the guy who taught Ilayaraja to use multi-track recording and remastering with Punnagai Mannan - and it is an open secret in Kodambakkam that at least two songs in the movie were composed by Rahman - and that's how KB caught hold of Rahman for Roja (remember KB produced the film) Raja has never acknolwedged tha man by now
Rahman continues to be a gracious man and participates in free events every now and then. While he may not be like the great MSV (who took care of SM Subbiah Naidu till his last days, performed free with his harmonium for some plantation workmen in Sri Lanka, who can even today be seen taking a walk down Santhome High Road in the evenings chatting up with the local potti kadai guys, or having a stroll by the beach) he is approachable. We do know that Raja came from very humble origins but how much does he mix around or remain rooted with people in everyday life?
In an interview on TV some years back someone asked MSV has Ilayaraja set you aside and has Rahman set aside Raja. To which the inimitable MSV replied, "No one sets aside anyone else. One: the listeners decide these matters as we just exist to satisfy their musical needs and two: only God can set people aside" Isn't it interesting that most Rahman fans are fans of MSV too? It is indeed a coup that Rahman got MSV to sing on "Sangamam"? With Rahman we are seeing the return of those balladish robust strains we would hear in every MSV solo.
And one more thing Rahman steers clear of something that Raja loved to do - interfere with the movie script and its direction etc. And that's what led to his downfall and parting of ways with his close friend Bharatiraja. The slide for Raja began with "Captain Magal" when Bharatiraja threw Raja off the sets for monkeying around. After which BR erased all the background score and the two songs already composed and called Hamsalekha to score the movie.
Fame is a very fickle thing. You don't know when it will part from you. MSV never let fame go to his head and has retired gracefully. While Ilayaraja just cannot, having lorded over the scene like a banyan tree (nothing grows underneath a banyan)
The story of Ilayaraja is a lesson to all of us.
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- From: LV (@ 203.197.81.107)
on: Tue Jun 19 09:09:43 EDT 2001
Admin:
Please close this thread also. Nobody has the right to go into someone's personal life, that too in case of a person like IR. We are here to discuss music - let people criticise his music if they want, but NOT his life
- From: LV (@ 203.197.82.159)
on: Wed Jun 20 11:33:18 EDT 2001
dear athi:
From whatever I read of ur postings on this page, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is aimed at disregarding and spreading hatred against ARR. Why, if I may PLEASE know. I do not support the crap in this thread against IR - but why the same against IR.
- From: LV (@ 203.197.82.159)
on: Wed Jun 20 11:34:22 EDT 2001
read the last statement as "why the hatred against ARR"
- From: Athi (@ 24.182.219.105)
on: Sat Jun 23 00:23:11 EDT 2001
LV,
Please ask the same question to the people who come to threads discussing IR's music and write rubbish in that. And also please ask the people who are praising ARR for his ability to recycle his songs.
Athi
- From: pba (@ 209.219.209.68)
on: Sat Jun 23 05:45:21 EDT 2001
Cool down guys...
Words from a person worked under IR and ARR.
Guru guru thaan!! Sishyan sishyan thaan!!
See http://www.vikatan.com/av/2001/june/24062001/av0802.htm
- From: AR rahman fan (@ )
on: Sat Nov 23 13:06:26 EST 2002
BBC is conducting a poll to find the world's most favourite song.
Do you know which song is at the top now - "Raakkama Kaiya thattu....."
from
Dalapahi.
Please goto http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/
and vote for this song. Also don't forget to pass on this message to your
friends.
- From: AR rahman fan (@ 172.129.118.117)
on: Sat Nov 23 13:07:17 EST 2002
BBC is conducting a poll to find the world's most favourite song.
Do you know which song is at the top now - "Raakkama Kaiya thattu....."
from
Dalapahi.
Please goto http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/
and vote for this song. Also don't forget to pass on this message to your
friends.
- From: AR rahman fan (@ 172.129.118.117)
on: Sat Nov 23 13:19:25 EST 2002
BBC is conducting a poll to find the world's most favourite song.
Do you know which song is at the top now - "Raakkama Kaiya thattu....."
from
Dalapahi.
Please goto http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/
and vote for this song. Also don't forget to pass on this message to your
friends.
vote for illayaraja even though i like rahman i say this because we have a genius of illayaraja cadre for which we should be proud of
- From: sundar,new jersey (@ 172.129.118.117)
on: Sat Nov 23 13:21:17 EST 2002
Illayaraja foot-tapper leads BBC World Service Top 10
- From: yaaro (@ 213.121.212.121)
on: Sat Nov 23 13:30:50 EST 2002
admin,
some mischiefmonger has purposely revived this thread-this was the most hatred filled thread I have had the misfortune to come across in my 4 years in TFM page-please bin this thread before things get out of control.
- From: musicfan (@ 68.80.13.253)
on: Sat Nov 23 19:09:22 EST 2002
Friends
I am not sure why you are all worried about this posting. ITs some idiots opinion that he is entitled to. By discussing it, we are only wasting our time. There is no dearth of threads in newtfmpage for us to discuss better things. Let my posting be the last here..and lets just ignore this.We dont need someone to give his "gracious " opinion on Raja who I beleive transcends such petty things and petty people.
- From: music lover (@ 213.189.83.103)
on: Sun Nov 24 13:03:56 EST 2002
hahahahaha joker,insane i guess this guy is
- From: MUSIC LOVER (@ 213.189.83.103)
on: Sun Nov 24 13:22:34 EST 2002
CYK ADDRESS PLEASE ALL newtfmpage VISITORS WILL CONTRIBUTE FOR UR MEDICAL EXPENSES ,THTS THE BEST WE CAN OFFER,PAAVAM INDHA CHINNA VAYASULLA IVVALAVU PERIA DISEASE
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