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Gee guys,

"Who will succeed Illayaraja?" is the question I have tried to address.
To find an answer I have given my critical analysis of one factor that
appears to have challenged the Maestro's dominance in the Tamil Film
Music. The irony, as you will see, is that Raja himself was responsible
for it! (I can't keep the suspence until the climax, so my friends don't
watch movies which I have seen).

Topic started by S.S.Vasan (@ 202.54.37.18) on Wed Feb 25 11:04:33 EST 1998.
All times in EDT/EST +9:30/10:30 for IST.

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Thu May 10 18:00:35 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru :
  
  Of course not...CM and WCM are the roots of our musical heritage...no way will they be frozen....I think with the increase in the world population, the quality of people have gone down...so with the proportional change in the pace of life and lifestyle...music has become commercial and tend to be "popular" more than classical...Beethoven and Mozart..died poor whereas our IR and ARR have earned a lot using their talent....so those days of "Art for Art's sake" has gone...Art has to reach the people..Artists like appreciation...and there is always room at the top for more than one :)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Thu May 10 18:03:12 EDT 2001
  
  Dss :
  
  Have you forgotten IR's fantastic beats in "Rakkamma Kaiyathattu", "Thalattudhe Vaanam"...and many others...though I am also an ARR fan...I don't want to forget our roots :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.172.24.51) on: Fri May 11 02:08:06 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician..you were the one asking why it is called re-recording. It is called recording because various sources (dialogue, music, sound-effects,narration etc. these could number very many tracks) into a stereo or final few tracks. This final mix down is a recording process of what was previously recorded source. So it is re-recording..You have access to the whole internet not just tfmpage.com this info is available if you look for it :)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat May 12 04:21:10 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks kiru...but why suddenly now ? I think I asked about this a long time back...palaiya bakiya :) ?
  
  
• From: rf (@ pppa55-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net) on: Sat Aug 18 21:43:50 EDT 2001
  
  I just think GR, MSV, and IR are just one and the same in different time periods! I just love thinking about the greats of TFM!
  
  
• From: Prashanth (@ 202.62.65.76) on: Mon Aug 20 02:18:48 EDT 2001
  
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  The admirers of ARR are usually kids/ college students, who are carried away by the funky beats/ rhythms.
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  Well quoted Srinivas !!! Mr Junior seems to be quite ignorant of IR's LAURELS in other states especially in telugu. Each album of his in telugu is a master-piece. With his association with Telugu , he laid "indelible impressions" on music lovers and is easily reckoned with every melody.
  
  You can hear people say, "Buddy, this number suggests an IR" on listening to today's compositions resting on IR's laurels.
  
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  He is the most respected composer in Andhra. Even today, ALL the new MDs have acknowledged IR by incorporating his style into their music
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  Again well quoted !!!
  All MDs in Telugu humbly attribute their knowledge to Raaja, the genius. #1 MD in Telugu Manisharma has emphasised that he has "Raaja's music flowing in his blood" word to word exactly. Ramana Gogula is himself a HC fan of Raaja. It undisputedly remains a fact that the this days MDs are treading on Raaja's path.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.18.87) on: Tue Aug 21 15:57:42 EDT 2001
  
  If u people think that the advent of satelite TV, globalisation etc are the reasons for ARR's success, then how come other MDs like Raja, Vidyasagar, Deva etc who were there at that time didnt acheive that?? Infact Raja was the uncrowned King at that time, and it cud have been easy for him to use this new phenomenon. True, that the satelite TV has helped Rahman in part, but it cud have helped the other MDs also. So, the point I am tryin to make is, if the music doesnt help itself making an impact, then nothing else can help it. (U get my point? Read between the lines). Evryone produces some inferior songs compared to the rest of the songs, and it will not be fair to point out those songs to criticise that MD. Raja has done that, Rahman has done that, evry artiste dos that. Tryin to attribute ones success to something else than the Music is not an good arguement. I enjoy Rahman's Music as much as I enjoy Raja's Music. And I enjoy Guns N Roses and Aerosmith equally. So please dont criticise one MD becos ur a fan of the other. (Dont criticise ARR just to show that ur a die hard fan of IR, and dont criticise IR to prove ur a die hard fan of ARR, they both have done/are doing something which we are not doing.)
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Aug 22 02:30:52 EDT 2001
  
  Well said Sam...
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Wed Aug 22 06:08:54 EDT 2001
  
  //Music as much as I enjoy Raja's Music. And I enjoy Guns N Roses and Aerosmith equally. So please dont criticise one MD becos ur a fan of the other. (Dont criticise ARR just to show that ur a die hard fan of IR, and dont criticise IR to prove ur a die hard fan of ARR, they both have done/are doing something which we are not doing.)//
  
  Without ALL THESE going on, TFMPAGE.COM wouldnt have been so Popular.
  
  
• From: rf (@ 4.54.221.75) on: Sun Aug 26 02:00:41 EDT 2001
  
  http://www.kutcheribuzz.com/questionanswer/maduraigsmani.htm
  
  
  But did film music of that era not dilute Carnatic music?
  A: Viswanathan is really known for creating the new genre of light music. He is the King of Light music. Light music replaced classical music, it did not dilute it. The same way Ilayaraja replaced this with folk music. The reach of folk music was tremendous, and the paymasters had changed and this is what they wanted, so it prevailed.
  
  And Rahman has brought in western rhythms killing folk. The logic is, the people want it and we are providing it.
  
  My sadness is that classical is gone now, and we are denying it to the people. There was a question that someone in the audience asked in a panel discussion on this topic I participated in once. He said " I don't know everything about music, and if I ask for poison will you give it to me?"
  
  That is what we are doing now. Giving them poison saying that they want it.
  
  
  
• From: to rf (@ 132.235.18.87) on:
  
  Did someone said that western rhythms is poison here?? Good for them, let them have Amrutham only.
  
  
• From: suresh kumar (@ 24.20.60.21) on: Wed Aug 29 22:58:16 EDT 2001
  
  IRs music is like a smooth flowing river. ARR and his ilk like wild-running flood waters. IRs music is like an artist's painting and ARR's like a computer generated graphic.
  
  
• From: saitan 666 (@ 202.188.113.3) on: Mon Sep 3 06:12:49 EDT 2001
  
  auuuuuu lalitha elam saukiyama? unge pondati pillainge ellam saukiyama irukangala? marakame ungal pondati eloraiyum kettatha solungepa. hehehe uwaaaaa enaku tookam varuthu apurama varen.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on:
  
  Wat are u guys going on about...?
  U seem to be missing an IMPORTANT POINT here! Just like how ARR is bringing in western flavour (Of our times) to Indian music, so did Illayarajah to the songs of his time. He was the first Tamil MD to incorporate tunes from English songs in Tamil songs. He did it too. And if synthesizers and more modernised instruments were present then, IR would have used them too...But what of it now, what makes you guys soooo sure that IR is not using these naveena karuvis himself now. If you have any doubts on this one, you haven't been listening carefully enuf to all his songs then. But tat doesn't mean one is right or the other is wrong. It's all about choice, end product and rasigarkals!
  
  
• From: AsIfItMatters (@ 24.15.81.189) on: Mon Sep 3 12:20:20 EDT 2001
  
  Aren't we in a democracy? I want TFM to get diluted as much as possible. We should have all forms of music in TFM. If there is now a scarcity for carnatic tunes in TFM that will only lead to some talented carnatic guy to jump into the music scene. Growth comes from experimenting. Our films do not have an international flavor, it is good that atleast our music has one.
  
  It is a sorry sight to see so many of you against ARR. His immense range and talent should make every tamil proud. There is a simple way out of all this western tunes in TFM. If you do not like them do not listen to them. Same goes for those who hate traditional tunes. That way you don't hinder growth.
  
  
• From: Ravi R (@ ) on: Mon Jun 17 19:54:43 EDT 2002
  
  There will be someone who will...rule the roost so to speak..the tamil music scene. But will they step in the shoes of ilayaraaja ?
  
  The question is as obtuse as it can get...
  
  There is no way someone else is going to score like ilayaraaja. But time goes on... people change so does their musical taste.. MTV, indian style and tamil songs pronounced in anglicized accent is the trend these days.... but does that make one hip and cool ? Maybe..for some..
  
  Defenitely as for my opinion... the Master of music... had done his part for 30 years.. and i have the rest of my life to cherish and enjoy the music he as left behind for more than 700 films..
  
  Honestly, i cudnt care less as to who takes the centre stage these days..but whoever it is.. i wish them luck !
  
  
• From: NotMusicToTheEars (@ 205.188.208.37) on: Tue Jun 18 00:21:57 EDT 2002
  
  ARR has now crossed over. it is a tremendous risk he took and he should succeed. but as far as TFM or south Indian fm goes, we are now in a vacuum unless karthik or yuvan can be consistent and present much more than now or atleast create a lot of noise (i means news) like Rahman saar. Hearing deva, barathway, vidyasagar is sheer torture, but some talent is there in Jayaraj. is film music over? we need someone like Rahman and Jayaraj to look at music differently. We can never see the likes of IR, i mean 300 hundred of modern music and only composer like IR, then that is it. it is like our films, after the era of so many great actors in 50s thru 80s, now we have vikram only, look at the others all boys no originality, no style, no signature
  
  again, the age of simplicity, folk music, innocence seems, which is bedrock for melodies is a thing of the past.
  
  i doubt we can see much great music after IR and ARR in India for some time to come. ARR's pot is almost exhausted. we can only see parthaley paravasam or boyz
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.133) on: Tue Jun 18 06:53:29 EDT 2002
  
  Hearing deva, barathway, vidyasagar is sheer torture
  
  Says a lot of your music taste.
  
  

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