Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.
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- From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142)
on: Mon Aug 14 13:10:06 EDT 2000
Vijay,
What made you think like that?
You took couple of songs from rhythm
and felt very bad about the pronounciation
usage by ARR and bhavams in singers.
I gave some good examples of ARR wherein
the northies did good job in singing some songs
which I am under the impression that will
not be DONE GOOD with our tamil singers.
I already gave some examples like "Thee Thee thithikkum thee" from Thiruda Thiruda. I don't think Janaki or Chitra would have given that effect.Snehidhane by sadana sargam, Kulu valile...from Muthu by UN --the song was good cos of his prnounciation and the rhythm (thanks to Rescue me-fontella bass).Anbey from rhythm by sadana sargam. Eppadi i can list the very good ones of ARR using northies which WOULD DEFIENTELY have more APPEAL than by our tamil singers.
Now coming to Bhavam, where did you give songs by HH which lacked Bhavams?didn't you make a general statment at that point?
maybe i can give some of HH which has some "life"
Meetatha veenai...Poonthottam,
Uyire...bombay,
Anbae ...Jeans.
etc...
Where have you seen him singing without involvement?
the songs i mentioned above were done with good involvement as KJY for Amma endru azhaikathey...
Bhavam does not only PERTAIN to laughing and singing.Understanding the feel of the song and singing from one's heart.
Finally Anbey..from rhythm by sadana sargam sounds really DAMN good for its new try. If it had sung by Chitra or SJ...it would have ended up as another ordinary song.Although she had tough time in getting the pronounciation i think she did sung with some involvment eg. whenever she sings kalakalavena...
finally whether you accept it or not, rhythm is on top albums list in tfmpage.Bharathy couldn't even stand for couple of days on top with its perfect pronounciation and unique tamil etc.
Bug
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Aug 14 13:51:21 EDT 2000
If it had sung by Chitra or SJ it would have ended up as another ordinary song
aduththa saNdaikku dhoobam :-)
aruvi - please defend chithraa as usual
srinath - please defend SJ as usual
MS - sit back and watch (as usual ) :-)
- From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211)
on: Mon Aug 14 14:03:38 EDT 2000
MS: You forgot Rhythm with 'bad' thamizh is better than Bharathi with 'good' thamizh - idhukku WWF level la tag team participation from both sides AS USUAL:-)
- From: Theepori1 (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 14:31:42 EDT 2000
RajaG.......
Arr's Rhythm with 'bad' thamizh is better than IR's Bharathi with 'good' thamizh
Your statement is perfect to the core.
:)
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Aug 14 15:45:19 EDT 2000
G:
Your view is not mine :-) I have listened to both the albums and just looking for some free time to write a detailed review of both of them..
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Aug 14 15:46:33 EDT 2000
Your view is not mine Did I sound rude ? SOrry.
- From: kanal kaNNAyiram (@ 192.190.51.15)
on: Mon Aug 14 16:00:53 EDT 2000
>Arr's Rhythm with 'bad' thamizh is better than IR's Bharathi with 'good' thamizh
aiyAkkaLE ...vaNakkamunga!!
:-)
- From: Pal (@ 199.43.48.21)
on: Mon Aug 14 16:38:41 EDT 2000
'thaiya thaiyaa' in uyirE was not sung by Sukhvinder Singh. It is by Sriram.
http://www.anandhavikatan.com/20082000/song.htm
- From: vimal (@ 63.80.57.4)
on: Mon Aug 14 17:24:01 EDT 2000
My friend Bug,
Please don't waste y(our) time by writing some paragraphs on your feelings, realizations etc. I mean, I am counting the stars whenever I try to make out what your point is... Please refrain from posting long, non-valued paragraphs. If you have lots of time to dispose, do something constructive. I mean, whenever I come to any of the forums looking for some hot news, I see you loo...ong messages. Do you realise how irritating that can be to other tfmpage fans?? Please don't take it as a personal attack, but as a plea!!
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.182)
on: Mon Aug 14 17:57:07 EDT 2000
Bug,
Vimal is right. u are just wasting time. u are giving examples wherein you feel that HH has sung with Bhaavam. these are your opinions and are purely subjective. Whereas the opinion I gave is a fact, that singers that understand lyrics cannot express the required bhaavam. and no one has come up with an effective argument against it so far. I dont need to prove it with examples. It is a FACT. On the other hand u are trying to bring out examples because your argument is weak. And sorry I dont think HH has the required bhavams in most of the songs that u mentioned. and that is my hmble opinion.
snehidane by sadana sargam has more bhaavam than if SJ would have sung it?!!!!
Iam sorry Bug. No point in trying to discuss with any further. Our subjective tastes and perceptions are just miles apart. But thanx anyway for your discussion and for keeping your cool.
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.182)
on: Mon Aug 14 17:58:56 EDT 2000
Read the line in the above post as "whereas the statement I made was a fact"..
- From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.182)
on: Mon Aug 14 17:59:55 EDT 2000
one more typo.."singers that don't? lyrics..
- From: hAhA (@ 192.190.51.15)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:22:49 EDT 2000
ROFTL
:-))))))
- From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:23:12 EDT 2000
MS/Theeppori1:
finally whether you accept it or not, rhythm is on top albums list in tfmpage.Bharathy couldn't even stand for couple of days on top with its perfect pronounciation and unique tamil etc. - Bug's posting earlier. I just paraphrased as another possible 'hot exchange' topic. naa indha maadhiri ellaam vaai kuduppEnaa? piLLa kuttikkaaranpaa!:-)
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:23:50 EDT 2000
Bug...enna bencha ?:)
I will take over from vijay, because i am also vetti'ing here.
I hope you have heard the following song,
"Kanamochi kelada"
"Idhazil kadai Ezthum"
"Kuzul oodum kannanuku"
--- these were sung by Chitra,
tell me few similar "sweet" songs by sadana sargam in any language .
(btw:Make is short and sweet:)
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:24:50 EDT 2000
RajaG negalum bencha
:)))
- From: vimal (@ 63.80.57.4)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:25:16 EDT 2000
vijay,
my message to Bug was not pertaining to whatever you guys were discussing ot arguing about, but it was pertaining to any of his posting at all!!
- From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:25:55 EDT 2000
sadhanaa sargam tamizla paadinaa vedhanaa sargam :-)
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:26:46 EDT 2000
BUG,
SJ's lawyer "Srinath" nalai Ajar AwAr.:)
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:27:45 EDT 2000
Mr.Velai - adhu Sadana "Naragam"
- From: rajaG - standing on the bench! (@ 207.43.195.201)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:29:53 EDT 2000
Bug: edhu eppdi pOgattum. Sadhana Sargam aiyum SJ, KSC, PS....ivaaLOda, adhuvum thamizhla paadaradhukku compare paNNina 'perumai' ya naanga avaLavu lEsula ungaLaala marakka vidamaattOm:-) DF friends aa kokkaa nnaanaam:-)
- From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:48:53 EDT 2000
Ada pongappa,
Unga thontharavu thaanga mudyala. let me make this posting short.(ok vimal?)
vijay ,
again HH's missing bhavam is your opinion.not a fact.bhavam missing athu ethu endraal why that song is so popular?
fan, Udhaya, rajaG,others.
Whether you guys accept it or not,
unfortunately HH has replaced spb considerably, ARR has replaced IR totally,
the trend in tamil film music has changed drastically. Still the people who object to pronounciation and other stuff are just handful. if you guys belong to the mass then ARR would be nowhere.I rest my case with this arguement.
by the way, vimal the concept of tfmpage is for discussion. whether one's opinion's are constructive or destructive or absurd it is relative. i might like something which you don't. if you don't like what you see, better not see. and please try to be polite.This site is not a fast food to get all the hot news in clicks. for that we have portal sites like satyamonline, indiainfo etc.if there are some percent which don't agree to my opinions, there might be the rest who will agree. Fortunately i am glad that i belong to the mass who doesn't tear apart the music and look for scales stuff etc(i can't even do that in dreams-lack of knowledge).but enjoy music as long as it is appealing from a standpoint of a paamaran.that is why evalavu criticize senjalum rhythm sales has overtaken the "good" thamizh bharathy.
Bug
- From: Baasha (@ 192.190.51.15)
on: Mon Aug 14 18:58:09 EDT 2000
Bug, neenga oru thadavai sonaalE adhu nooru thadavai sonna maadhiri.. adhanaala..please..:-)
- From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Mon Aug 14 19:18:36 EDT 2000
Bug, i am with you - keep posting.
Vimal, take is easy, we are having some discussion thats all.
If you see - many dont complain if the posting is long arr bashing or the famous "thudhi" (you know who does this more often:).
Btw: You did not answer my question about Chitra ?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Mon Aug 14 19:20:47 EDT 2000
bug:
thankfully some songs have not been sung by northies. I would defintiely have not tolerated saadhana sargam singing "kaNNan manam ennavO kaNdu vaa thendralE". It would have sounded "kaNnan maNam yannavO kandu vaa theNdrlE" (no a between d and r)
wondering what would happen if we ask them to sing "muthathi thiru" :-)
- From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10)
on: Mon Aug 14 19:36:18 EDT 2000
fan,
please remove idhazhil kadhai ezhudhum from your list. chiththra struggles a lot to keep pace and pronunciation in tact and she fails miserably (especially the second charaNam). i have stopped listening to this song! what a pity! so good a song, so royally wasted!!
- From: Neel (@ 206.83.87.77)
on: Mon Aug 14 19:42:11 EDT 2000
I am very disappointed to see how much people are compromising on quality these days. God save TFM.
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