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New Releases by ARR??

Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.

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• From: AjayRam (@ 206.189.239.169) on: Sun Aug 13 17:33:44 EDT 2000
  
  Whatever be the thing both the big giant southpaw's have and r making ripples in the heart of listeners.
  ARR is THE best indian musician as of now which the world is witnessing......Hez a great musician or rather magician.....Be proud of it dear friend!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 38.27.83.208) on: Sun Aug 13 23:52:28 EDT 2000
  
  sound: the question was not about singers per se - it was about singers with bad pronunciation. C'mon! even you (and I know who you are) cannot compare IR's pronunciation with ARR's (mutruppulli) or Udit's (vaandhi edukkira maadhiri) or Sadhana Sargam's pattum padaamalaum konjum mainaakkaLey. Just like other role models, ARR has a responsibility - When he brings in Udit, Sukhwinder, Sadhana, etc..so follow the Devas, Sirpis, Mani Sharma's of the world. Recently I heard Parthasarathy who accompanied SPB on his tour. SPB introduced him as a very able assistant of Mani Sharma and 'the guy who sang track and trained Udit Narayan' for 'raammaa chilakammaa'. andha paattOda final recording a kEttu paarungaL - Udit's pronunciation sucks, he cannot handle a simple briga, and his voice is flat. apart from these "minor deficiencies" Udit has done great job. I don't care how Udit "HAD" to sing this song "OR ELSE". To some extent, indirectly ARR is responsible for making a degenerated version of singing acceptable. In fact, he has lowered the standards of singing - a very integral part of Film Music.
  
  Bug- I cannot accept your earlier view, that such a change is an interesting diversion. Why don't we also extend the diversion to konjam sruthi illaamaa paadaradhu, konjam thaaLaththa kOtta vittuttu paadaradhu etc.?
  
  Anyway, pronunciation of singers has already been discussed in depth in a separate thread. Let us not beat that dead horse anymore.:-)
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ 202.188.82.94) on: Mon Aug 14 00:14:29 EDT 2000
  
  To some extent, indirectly ARR is responsible for making a degenerated version of singing acceptable. Yes, so much so that IR made the god forbidden song with Ila Arun called "Thathom thagadhimi thom thom" in Kadhal Kavidhai.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Aug 14 00:21:19 EDT 2000
  
  Bug,
  vijay, I agree with you on the point
  that the "bhavam" will be missing if you
  really don't understand the language.
  But how many songs are done with so much
  involvement in Bhavams?
  
  
  
  Bug, what do u meany by how many songs are done with Bhavam? No one composes the bhavam. it is left to the ability of the singer to bring out the required bhavam in the context of the song. and in this situation understanding the lyrics only helps u in expressing the required bhavam.
  
  if u are asking me how many songs are there with bhavam, listen to almost all SPB songs. they have bhavam. Listen to hariharan or udit narayan. Bhavam? Paavam, they are too busy concentrating on the pronunciation and other things that they dont have time for bhaavam.
  
  I'll tell u what. IR might be an inferior singer. But even he has more bhaavam than these northie singers. and his pronunciation is extremely better than these guys.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 38.27.83.208) on: Mon Aug 14 00:28:43 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay: To a large extent, Bhaavam (at least in TFM) seems to be a god given talent. UK understands thamizh but his bhaavam? I rest my case. However, your point that one has to know the language at a minimum to explore bhaavam is 100% true.
  
  KITKAT: andha paatta marubadiyum gnyaabaga paduththina kutraththukkaaga ungaLukku $10 fine from tfmpage admin.:-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon Aug 14 01:41:37 EDT 2000
  
  RajaG,
  u are probably right. I'll put it this way. while all those who understand lyrics need not have bhaavam, it certainly hurts those who dont understand the lyrics. SPB seems to enjoy the mood of the songs, so does SJ. how often have we heard singers in the recent past, whose songs makes us feel that they are actually enjoying it? few and far in between.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Mon Aug 14 03:10:23 EDT 2000
  
  Film music is partly about art and more about money. Everything like pronunciation, bhavam, vocals etc comes under scrutiny ONLY with relation to the theme/subject of the movie. Sadhna Sargam came up with great vocals for konjum mainakale in KK. She has done an equally good job in Rythm 'anbe' number. Dont you find the necessary bhavam here?
  
  The lady who sang 'thee thee' in thiruda thiruda, I'm told, is a chinese. She had great bhavam to suit the mood of that song. Same with Vasundara, in aiyo pathikichu, where she matches the mood of the song perfectly.
  
  If ARR had asked Udit to sing 'ennavale' I can understand your angst. But thats never gonna happen! That ARR has made degeneration of singing standards acceptable is purely a matter of opinion. If you dont see money in film music, you'll agree to this charge, if you do see money as an integral part of film music, thats when ground reality hits you. Its not as if we lack singers in tamil, but those north indian singers are not duffers either. We are one single country for heaven's sake! And today's August 14th!!! One more day!
  
  We should be worried if Rahman brings in Apache Indian to sing in tamil, but wait, he didnt. He made Apache Indian sing in his dialect (hinglish) and ARR did the tamil part. And if we are gonna fight for making a 'hindi' guy sing in 'tamil' songs we might as well sell ourselves to our angry neighbour. When are we gonna think beyond petty regional differences?
  
  IR brought in Mithalee to sing 'yamunai aatrile' and she did an incredible job with complete bhavam et all! Its an amazing song, in all. These people know whom t use for which song. When they do make a error of judgement lets rip them. Not now. They are doing their job and pretty well too.
  
  
• From: ME (@ 198.240.90.2) on: Mon Aug 14 07:48:08 EDT 2000
  
  okay people...you all say that it is bad or whatever to bring in Hindi singers for Tamil songs. Dont you think that the North Indian people would feel the same way about Tamil singers that are brought in to sing Hindi Songs?? I mean, a lot of tamil singers(who cant speak Hindi very well) are brought in to sing Hindi songs...and you can TOTALLY tell that they are south indian cause they cant pronounce most of the hindi words correctly. I mean this is going vice versa..north singing for south movies, south singing for north movies. Its their jobs...some songs dont sound soooo bad, ya know? Like "kuluvaalilae" from movie Muthu(sung by Udit Narayan), orrr.."Shenbagamae"(old song sung by Asha Bhonsle). A lot of these songs become hits. Whatever you say, I dont care, because I support this whole thing, which is NOT ARR's fault. Since Ilaiyaraja started it, I guess ARR thought it to be nice and continued it. I supoort ARR.
  
  
• From: ME (@ 198.240.90.2) on: Mon Aug 14 07:51:40 EDT 2000
  
  BTW, the "bhavam" thing...Hariharan has a lot of Bhavam. How does SPB have Bhavam? All he does is make noises thru the whole song.
  
  
• From: ME (@ 198.240.90.2) on: Mon Aug 14 07:52:26 EDT 2000
  
  And I agree with Karthik on the "judgement" part.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.55) on: Mon Aug 14 08:06:39 EDT 2000
  
  Hariharan bhavam?aiyoo paavam
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.202) on: Mon Aug 14 10:40:19 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik: That ARR has made degeneration of singing standards acceptable is purely a matter of opinion. If you dont see money in film music, you'll agree to this charge
  
  What's money got to do with it? So if ARR doesn't charge then he is degenerating music, but if he does then he is not? saththiyamaa puriyala!
  
  BTW, nice touch about patriotism. I have ARR's VCD of Jana Gana Mana (retail price $19.95). Interested in buying it?:-)
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Mon Aug 14 10:58:35 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  very interesting arguements. One thing
  we should all remember nobody is trying
  to force their opinions on others.
  summa we are sharing the opinions.
  neraya kilara kilara....yaarukku bhavam
  erukku eillai endra alavirkku discussion
  porathu. super.
  
  Ramki,
  ennanga how do you say that HH is not
  singing with bhavam? Only spb is gifted
  in that?
  
  rajaG,
  I might have to disagree on that whole
  issue of film music degeneration by ARR.
  it is just a change with changes in the
  generations.
  MSV brought in a different style than
  Bhagavathar or KV etc.
  IR brought in a different style than MSV.
  Now ARR is bringing in a different style
  than IR.
  (ethil Deva is bringing in every other MD's
  style ;-)
  
  KITKAT,
  En saarbaga 20 $ fine for bringing in that song.
  (appadi ennaikki dinner selavu micham)
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Mon Aug 14 10:59:45 EDT 2000
  
  oops typo..
  ramki,
  I asked how HH is not singing without
  Bhavam.
  pl do read as without.
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.202) on: Mon Aug 14 11:45:34 EDT 2000
  
  BUG: unga program a resubmit paNNunga! adhula BUG irukku. When did I say 'musical degeneration'? I was talking about 'singing degeneration' (especially with reference to pronunciation) which is only a subset of the whole FM. And I still stand by it. But I am not prepared to argue/discuss about it anymore. If you think it is not so, your opinion is welcome too.:-)
  
  To find "bad" pronunciation by TMS, PS, SPB, PBS, KSC, Sujatha, even KJY, one has to nitpick. Not so with Udit, Sadhana, Sukhwinder, Ila Arun. You/anybody are/is entitled to disagree with this. But something tells me that Vaali, Vairamuthu, Anuradha Sriram and rajaG cannot be "all wrong":-)
  
  End of discussion from my side!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.168) on: Mon Aug 14 12:18:43 EDT 2000
  
  Bug,
  I think u are unnecessarily dragging the discussion without giving valid arguments. u just make statements like HH has bhavam, ARR doesnt degenerate music etc. without making efforts to substantiate claims. Only if u present your case with valid points can there be any discussion.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Aug 14 12:44:53 EDT 2000
  
  rAjAG,
  
  why do you put yourself among VM and AS. i think you are much better.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.160.43.2) on: Mon Aug 14 12:58:58 EDT 2000
  
  Now I realize that there can never be an isolated discussion in this forum. I posted a review of ARR's latest Thamizh soundtrack in the "New Releases of ARR" thread. In it, I had chided ARR for using Thamizh -challenged singers (mind you this is not the "Therukkovilae" mess up by KJY where only one word was mispronounced; and yes I hated that too) who rendered two songs in cryptic Thamizh. I guess we are all waiting on alert by our keyboards to pounce on a relatively provocative statement now that dogfights are at a seasonal low in the DF; still, how did we get into national unity, the state of things in TFM, who started all this? and why should we work in US and not in India? kind of debates?
  
  I don't want to respond to every digressive statement but there are a couple of stumpers:
  
  Bug,
  Well, you are original, I'll give you that. Let me ask you without any mischief, "Amma-nnu kooptu bore adichchaa gummaa-nnu kooppida aarambichchiduveengalaa? Yennaanga logic ithu that you're tired of listening to the same pronunciation!!
  
  Karthik,
  I don't see how a listener is a threat to national unity by criticizing a Thamizh song that sounds nothing like Thamizh.
  
  And to all other posts that cite other examples of bad singing, I agree those are bad too and should be condemned, but those songs weren't a part of "Rhythm". Now, please let's get back to "New releases by ARR".
  
  

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