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Let Us Compare The Songs & BGM in Refugee / Bharathi...

Topic started by Subbu (@ 192.39.1.92) on Wed Mar 28 08:45:53 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am really disappointed that Best MD award is not given to IR for Bharathi. More than that 'Anu Malik's' name worries me. My general perception of Anu Malik makes me wonder whether he would have composed better than Bharathi's songs/BGM in Refugee.

While I can talk in detail about Bharathi songs/BGM, I should accept that I haven't listened to 'Refugee' songs or BGM.

So if there is someone who has listened to both, please enlighten us with your views on the music content ... (let us forget the personalities please). For the benefit of IR fans, pls let us know if we could listen to 'Refugee' songs somewhere in the net.

(I also have one more doubt whether Anu Malik also did the BGM for Refugee... This is because, if I am not wrong, last year whoever beat IR's HeyRam, had only composed the songs for the movie (again a Hindi movie) and not the BGM part.)

Thanks in advance...

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Responses:

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• From: attempt to straighten fonts (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Mar 29 02:49:32 EST 2001
  
  still itallics remains
  hey! how about now??
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Thu Mar 29 03:40:31 EST 2001
  
  Neels,
  
  >>>> they insist on original voices and reject actors with dubbed voices
  
  Is this true ? I was wondering How Anil Kapoor got the best actor award when our own Bharathy (I Mean Shayaji Shinday) is there, Now I got the reason, Thanks :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Thu Mar 29 03:59:04 EST 2001
  
  And precisely for the same reason, Radha wasn't short-listed for Mudhal Mariyathai (though Suhasini won it that year (deservedly so) for Sindhu Bhairavi).
  There are very few ladies in Tamil cinema who are good actors, and hardly anyone who can dub for themselves... which is why even the mediocre Karismas and Raveenas are getting National awards. Mallu cinema has some good young performers like Manju Warrier and now Samyukta, who give hope.
  That's the sad state TFs are in
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 192.39.1.92) on: Thu Mar 29 05:53:01 EST 2001
  
  Neels,
  
  >>>> they insist on original voices and reject actors with dubbed voices
  
  Thanks for that point. That was news to me as well. It seems to be a valid condition...
  
  If only such strict conditions were applied for original music composition & most importantly , weightage is given to BGM like Oscar Award...
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Thu Mar 29 06:37:17 EST 2001
  
  Now I really dont want to start a fight here...but as a ARR fan, I was expecting the award for either alaipayuthey or kandukonden2. Please dont comparing these and Bharathy. Just expressing my feelings.
  
  Even Refugee had the song 'jise tu na mila' which was ripped off from Dil Se's 'satrangi re'! Even then?
  
  In a way I'm happy that our masters (IR and ARR) are not involved with in this awards as every award is under a cloud of suspicion!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Thu Mar 29 08:09:43 EST 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  
  You are right, If IR is not there for Bharathy, I thought ARR will defenitely be there for 'Alaipayuthey'., (I don't intend to use the word 'Atleast' here, SaNdaikku varaatheenga), Remember he got the award for commercial 'Minsarak Kanavu', then wny hot for 'Alai Payuthey' ?
  
  Regarding comparision bt. Bharathy and Alai Payuthey or KKKK, Do you think it is possible ? :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.150) on: Thu Mar 29 08:58:45 EST 2001
  
  Hey Neels!
  
  That was a very sensible one! Good.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Mar 29 10:37:41 EST 2001
  
  Andha kanraaviya inge padeenga!
  
  http://www.kumudam.com/lightsonline/mainpage.html
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 13:56:40 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, Kiru, Subbu, Neels, NAgaS, Analog....others,
  How about writing a letter and sending it to tehelka, rediff protesting national award being given to AM for Music, when IR has come with great works like Hey RAM BGM and Bharathi.
  
  What do you guys say?. I think it is the right time to kick off this controversy, if we dont do it now, it is going to die soon, and people will forget..
  
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 62.253.64.4) on: Thu Mar 29 14:16:44 EST 2001
  
  Yes UVII - that is a great idea. Let us do it.
  
  ThamizhA! Raja enru solladA! Thalai nimirnthu nilladA!
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 62.253.64.4) on: Thu Mar 29 14:19:55 EST 2001
  
  We should insist the point that for the Best FILM MD award, BGM should be given equal prominence...
  
  
• From: maapillai (@ 192.190.51.15) on: Thu Mar 29 14:22:51 EST 2001
  
  Definitely we need. Till this time I was just a passive listener but now I would like to jump in. What has Refugee has that Bharathi didn't. Lets protest against this immediately.
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 14:39:25 EST 2001
  
  Subbu, Maapillai,
  Thanks for your response. I felt that some justice has to be done....Anu Malik does not deserve...I am DAMN sure this award is RIGGED.
  
  We have to come up with a good writeup and send it to all Indian portals...
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Mar 29 14:54:18 EST 2001
  
  UV2, well that is not a bad idea. however, see the entire scenario now. the Jury decisions stink. the newspapers have enough to write already. Bharathi bagging 4 awards satisfying many..Ok by shouting,writing to people let's assume we have achieved our aim...Say bharathi has been reannounced to be winning an additional peanut for music.....Lost esteem is lost. it looks like they have remade the decision for some loud noises.
  
  But, there are some questions concerning bharathi music remain cloak-and-dagger.
  
  1. Although "bharathi" was facilitated with 4 awards, why the primefactors (as lauded by press)such as music and cinematography was overlooked?
  
  2. What made them to choose "Refugee" over "Bharathi" for music award? How did they decide on this? Firstly, have they talked about "Bharathi" music at all.
  
  3. Who imposes the limitations like a movie can not win more than "n" number of awards? I know "Last Emperor won 11 oscars and Gandhi 9".
  
  4. How do they decide these awards...Just based on few votings and discussions??
  
  What it appears for me from the basic blunders made is that the members of the Jury neither have any first hand informations nor do they have any careful watch before making these decisions. Individual back-ups seem to have played a crucial role. Ethical values appear to have lost. We can shout loud and cry out of pain..but my personal feeling is once lost is lost ever..Even if you win, now the honesty is gone ashtray..
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Mar 29 15:14:43 EST 2001
  
  Why doesn't the National Awards Committee doesn't release 4/5 nominees(like Oscar or Filmfare) atleast couple of months before they announce the awards?
  Does anyone know if we had any Malayalam films last year which had very good music?
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 15:15:40 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  I get your point...but you only talked about Nakeerar. I think we should atleast give it a shout, it might make great waves.
  
  Well newspaper has not written anything about IR being ignored for this award, they are just saying that awards might be rigged. We are focussing on issues, like IR being ignoired, and his musical compositions stand WAY ABOVE the other ones released this year, and certainly above REFUGEE.
  
  1) Personally I also felt Cinematography was excellent in Bharathi. Again, this was totally ignored by the jury.
  
  2) Exactly, this is what I wanted to know...the reason behind the jury choosing Refugee. Now, if we(Press) comes with this issue, this will force jury to substantiate there decisions. After that it will easy for us to argue once we have their reasons.
  
  As you said, ethical values are COMPLETELY LOST.
  
  Well, Why don't we do this. Our aim is not only to win the award, it is also to make this process more transparent and better.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Mar 29 15:17:59 EST 2001
  
  UV2, I am with you...let's decide what and how to do..
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 15:23:05 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  Great...Here is my email id. I have also started a thread in RaajaNGAHM DF, to gather attention of serious IR fans.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 15:29:18 EST 2001
  
  Those who would like to keep their comments/arguments personal, or feel like not posting here, please send me an email. We can use your ideas in this writeup without your name.
  
  
  For the email id click my name in this posting.
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Thu Mar 29 15:41:38 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  As you said if the committee releases the nominaions that would make it more transparent.
  
  I am sure there should be some films in Malayalam with good music. Interestingly the guy who walked out of the jury is a Malayalee.
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 192.39.1.92) on: Fri Mar 30 03:54:39 EST 2001
  
  UVII / Fliflo and other friends :
  On a different plane, why was Bharathi not considered for 'Best lyrics' ?
  
  There were contributions from Bharathi and Pulamai piththan (Ethilum Ingu song). If you leave Ethilum Ingu out, atleast honouring Javed Akthar above Bharathi is a great insult to the spirit of Tamils.
  
  Jury - il ethanai perukku Tamil theriyum ? Mahakavi-yai theriyum
  ?
  (I am not sure whether dead persons are considered for awards; or may be I myself have insulted Bharathi here by demanding an award for the Mahakavi... ok Neruppunna Vaai sudAdhu... I just wanted to post my opinion)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.139.40) on: Fri Mar 30 04:05:22 EST 2001
  
  Subbu,
  
  I don't know how many jury members know tamil, But the Head of the Jury team - Ms. VaijeyanthiMala knows tamil for sure :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: S (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Fri Mar 30 04:06:35 EST 2001
  
  >> I know "Last Emperor won 11
  oscars and Gandhi 9". <<
  
  Which Oscars are u talking about ??
  
  Only two films have won 11 awards from the AMPAS
  (called the oscars) - Benhur & titanic
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.123) on: Fri Mar 30 07:57:27 EST 2001
  
  The movie was nominated for nine Oscars and won all nine of them -- for best picture and best director, as well as its script, cinematography, editing, costume design, art direction, scoring and sound.
  
  Gandhi - 8 ...
  
  Hi S, thanks for making me to correct.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.123) on: Fri Mar 30 07:58:48 EST 2001
  
  Quotes About the Oscars
  
  "Two hours of sparkling entertainment spread over four hours" and "OK folks, we're into our fourth hour, let's check the tote boards and see how much money we've raised."
  Johnny Carson
  
  "The solemnity of the annual Nobel ceremonies in Stockholm with the cheerful bad taste of the grand opening of a shopping center in Los Angeles."
  Vincent Canby
  
  "When they sign you up for one of those so called 'special awards', you know it's time to cash it in."
  Joan Crawford
  
  "There are two types of people (who win awards). One type asserts that awards mean nothing to them. The second type breaks into tears upon receiving an award, and thanks their mother, father, children, the producer, the director, and – if they can crowd it in – the American Baseball League."
  Dore Schary
  
  "The man you never heard of, but you have to listen to him anyway."
  Robin Williams introducing Jack Valenti
  
  "What does the Academy Award mean? I don't think it means much of anything."
  Sally Field, 1980 and
  "…[the Oscar means] you like me –you really like me!"
  Sally Field, 1984
  
  "What art? what science?"
  D.W. Griffith
  
  "Hollywood – that's where they give Academy Awards to Charlton Heston for acting."
  Shirley Knight, 1963
  
  "I know that I am not equipped to vote on the niceties and details governing the prize in set decoration or film editing, and conversely, I am not prepared to put too much credence on Sylvester Stallone's opinion of (musical) composition."
  Composer Andre Previn, 1991
  
  "The ceremonies are a two hour meat parade, a public display with contrived suspense for economic reasons."
  George C. Scott, 1971
  
  "The Academy awards are obscene, dirty...no better than a beauty contest."
  Dustin Hoffman, 1975
  
  "Watching it on television...I felt disgusted – as though I were attending a public hanging...No one should have a chance to see so much desire, so much need for a prize, and so much pain when it was not given."
  Glenda Jackson, 1979
  
  "It should be fun to go to – not agony. There's something barbaric about it."
  Paul Newman, 1969
  
  
  Ella oor thanniyium naatram adikirathu??
  
  
• From: News (@ 128.113.50.34) on: Fri Mar 30 10:14:32 EST 2001
  
  Hi all,
  
  Pradeep Kishen - the guy who walked out of the jury has said (in rediff interview) that Barathi was also rejected initally (just like Pukar, Daman) and was recalled later. If the jury rejects movies like Barathi without even considering its BGM, cinematography etc., it shows the ignorance of the jury ...
  
  BTW, it also tells us why bhava got the national award :)
  
  

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