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FUSION Music in TFM

Topic started by Deepu (@ pc109.renewal-iis.com) on Wed Jun 17 09:10:17 EDT 1998.
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TFM Music directors have the unique advantage of using FUSION Music. IR and ARR have knowledge in both Western and Indian Classical music. ARR is the one who uses this technique quite often these days. IR is great in fusing Western Classical and Carnatic music. What do you think folks? Is is a good sign for TFM? Don't you think this will bring World Music to every village in India? We have the unique advantage of knowing both worlds of music unlike Hollywood Composers. Tabala and Mridangam samplers are being used in lot Hollywood movies and commercials recently. TFM has a lot of songs with this technique being used.
1. Background score from the movie 'VEEDU' (How to name it)
2. Poove Sem Poove , un vaasam vaarum ( Yesudoss/IR's score)
3. En Veetul Thottathil ( Gentleman)
4. Margazhi Poove ( May Maadham)

and many many more...

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• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Feb 23 12:18:11 EST 1999
  
  addendum:
  
  eg for chala nattai - Pani vizum malar vanam - Watch out for the chord progression.
  
  
• From: RajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Tue Feb 23 12:57:37 EST 1999
  
  Murali,
  
  A few comments. In the case of Madhyamavathi, you would use C susp (Sa, ma, Pa, Sa) instead of C minor or major for the root scale. If the song is even remotely semi classical in nature, say like Sankara or ThuLLI ThuLLi using either C minor or Major will sound jarring. Sometimes MDs use the B flat Major or the G minor chord to lead the song eventhough the song is set in the C scale. Only when the song is purely light, say Khaikkey Paan Banaarasivaala which is also in madhyamavathi will the MDs use a minor scale of the Sa. However, in Nee DhaanEy enthan Pon vasantham, I think IR has shifted to a Major from the Sa instead of a minor, though most of the times he has used the susp. for the Sa.
  
  Another observation. In the case of Pani Vizhum Malarvanam, which is set in D major, for the words thadumaarum kanimaram, IR slides from D Major to F Major and does not use D minor, even though the predominant note is F (which would be Ga1 or Ri3 for D).
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ ) on: Tue Feb 23 17:30:14 EST 1999
  
  thanks RajG,
  
  Is not B flat major and A sharp major same ? I perfectly agree with your statements especially when it comes to the discussion on Grahabedhams. As we know, hindholam is "S G M D N S" and sudhdha dhanyasi "S G M P N S". But when we start from playing the latter as "M P N S G M" we find the former emerging but in a different higher scale. This means the progression for Hindholam in the latter scale is equivalent to "seeing" it as sudhdha dhanyasi in a lower scale and writing the progrssion for the same.(<----- This is a rather weak statement:)))) In fact, I do not get doubts on the raga when I hear to "Saamaja varagamana", but I do get into doubts when I hear "Maargazippoove". "Naan thedum sevvanthi poo" is another eg.
  
  BTW, you seem to be highly knowlwdgeable in the chord progression ? Can I have your contact for sharing notes ? I am very much eager to "decipher" IRs songs
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Feb 23 17:31:00 EST 1999
  
  typo :IS not --- Are not
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Wed Feb 24 09:42:52 EST 1999
  
  MS,
  
  I just experiment on Film Music and try to decipher the notes/chords using a harmonium/keyboards. I would be glad to share my 'ignorance' with you. Trust me! I am not humble, just honest. Anyway, please contact me at raja.govindarajan@mail.sprint.com
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Feb 25 12:09:57 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  
  I am just going to learn keyboards now. I have little knowledge of harmonium. Can someone help me with their notes so that I can try and play a few film songs?
  
  thanks
  
  chandy71@hotmail.com
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Feb 25 18:08:34 EST 1999
  
  chandy: hope this page helps:
  http://www.wam.umd.edu/~rajiv/
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu Feb 25 18:12:36 EST 1999
  
  this too:
  http://www.glue.umd.edu/~rmanoj/music.html
  
  
• From: MS (@ ) on: Sat Jul 10 20:56:52 EDT 1999
  
  When it comes to fusion of Indian Classical with Western, we know who is the king. The recent article in Deccanherald discusses everbody in the field except IR. How is it that inspite of scoring miraculous scores, he still remains unnoticed by media ? :-(
  
  I know this is not entirely related to the topic of the thread. Still, I am giving the link:
  
  http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jul11/enter.htm
  
  
• From: bb (@ dialup-209.244.116.70.houston1.level3.net) on: Sat Jul 10 21:27:38 EDT 1999
  
  except dil se, not one film is mentioned. the article is all about albums in indian non-filmy scene. i think it is too much to expect mention of IR in this. even ARR's works in TFM are not mentioned. MS, the next thing will be why IR is not featured in rolling stone mag?:)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Sat Jul 10 22:22:15 EDT 1999
  
  bb:
  
  So are you trying to tell me that IR had not been in the non-filmy scene ? Come on, I never said anything about film / film music. What abt HTNI, NBW and I24 ?When there is a talk about the Fusion music genre, why not mention at least in a line his contributions ?
  
  Though I do not have a great taste for the last album , the first two are worth mentioning a hundred times. My point is that the media is running behind people who are at their infant stage of composing fusion ( save L.Subramaniam). Why does it not recognize a person who has almost perfected it ?
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ dialup-209.244.116.70.houston1.level3.net) on: Sat Jul 10 22:34:23 EDT 1999
  
  the article doesn't list all those who have done fusion from god-knows-when. it keeps talking about latest albums and ones that are popular in the scene, like colonial cousins, lucky ali, silk route etc. it clearly doesn't talk about thamizh contributions. IR is nowhere in the popular non-filmy scene now. i am sure if IR has a chartbuster which is featured 5 times a day in MTV, this person ratan patel would have featured him:-) (btw, if one should talk about HTNI and NBW, there are scores of such fusion albums around for quite some time).
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.61) on: Sun Jul 11 00:03:54 EDT 1999
  
  BB:
  
  "btw, if one should talk about HTNI and NBW, there are scores of such fusion albums around for quite some time" - are you implying that the Scores of such fusion albums like HTNI and NBW were ALL OF THE SAME QUALITY AND STANDARDS that HTNI and NBW managed to achieve ?
  
  Except L.SUbramaniam's "Conversations", I cannot think of any other albums which come anywhere close to the quality, standards of HTNI or NBW.
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ dialup-209.244.116.70.houston1.level3.net) on: Sun Jul 11 00:10:21 EDT 1999
  
  madhan, neither the article or I talked about the "quality" of these albums:) please don't put words into my mouth (or post):)
  anyway, i beg to differ with u on ur conclusion, but that is beside the point.
  
  

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