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CAN RAJA BE COPARED WITH REHMAN? CAN RAJA BE COPARED WITH REHMAN?

Topic started by RAMKUMAR (@ 202.54.34.25) on Fri Jan 23 05:19:23 EST 1998.
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From: vamban (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Oct 13 19:09:40 EDT 2000

Vambanandha (@ 32.97.110.76)

nee periya tubelightu...all this happened during Jan,1998 it took about 2+ years for you to understand and reply.
From: Aneesh (@ 192.68.44.33) on: Mon Oct 16 08:56:31 EDT 2000

For all his talent , IR is certainly not and was never above copying ( well , maybe he was 'influenced ' ).Also, ARR has already done substantial work to be seriously compared to the best of our MDs.
From: Mohan (@ 192.68.44.33) on: Mon Oct 16 08:58:42 EDT 2000

What IR did in 500 movies, ARR has done in less than 50. Need I say more?
From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Mon Oct 16 13:43:24 EDT 2000

What is that IR did in 500 Movies and what did ARR do in 50. Can you explain.
From: k (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Oct 16 19:32:21 EDT 2000

This thread should be banned.
From: nanban (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Tue Oct 17 00:00:52 EDT 2000

yov! niruthungappa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: nanban (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Tue Oct 17 00:10:53 EDT 2000

"how to name it is a copied one"--SRIKKANTH

Friends!Golden Oppurtunity!!! Comeon!

""Anyone who find some(even traces) musical brain in Mr.Srikkanth will be awarded Rs.1 crore!"""

(hee..hee..who is that in the last posting asked to stop this?)
From: nanban (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Tue Oct 17 00:30:17 EDT 2000

""Even IR's seer kondu va of nan-padum padal sounds just like idhu mounamana neram in Salangai oli.. "" --MR.SRIKKANTH.

hoooooo!!! hoooowwww!!!! ooooooohhhoooowwwwwwwwwww!!! Eabdinga? Eabbeeddinnnga srikkanth intha mathiri kandupidippukalai pottu asathuringa?

TRAILORS!! TRAILORS!!!!OF THE FUTURE STATEMENTS FROM SRIKKANTH THE GREATEST:
EXPECT!!!!COMING SOON:

1.ALL SONG IN "SINTHU BAIRAVI" IS COPIED FROM ROD STEWART'S "OUT OF ORDER"

2.THE SONG "MACHANAI PARTHINGALA" IS DIRECTLY LIFED FROM MOZART'S SYMPHONY NO 39.

3."ILAMAI IETHO IETHO" SONG FROM SAKALAKALAVALLAVAN IS AN UTTER COPY OF YANNI.

4."ANNAKILI" SONG IS COMPOSED BASED ON MIACHEL JACKSONS "BAD"

MORE...MORE...MORE FOR YOU FROM SRIKKANTH THE GREAT. EXPECT...DONT MISS...
From: Isai Gnani (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 17 12:44:09 EDT 2000

nanban - nice imagination. u should understand that entertainment comes in many forms, and one of them is srikanth. Thinks he knows the hell out of music just becoz he uses some fancy music words. pesa thaan therium, so just ignore him!
From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Tue Oct 17 13:08:21 EDT 2000

Statements of Srikanth can just be Ignored
From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Tue Oct 17 13:08:31 EDT 2000

Statements of Srikanth can just be Ignored
From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 17 13:21:15 EDT 2000

venki, did u notice that what srikanth wrote in this thread was 2 1/2 years ago?:)
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Oct 17 13:29:52 EDT 2000

nanban,

Just because you name a few songs which IR wouldn't have copied(I'm not sure here) doesn't mean he hasn't copied at all.

Anyway,I liked your extrapolation which would go far in convincing the not very clear thinker that Srikanth's claim is absurd.

Try a better approach next time.I'm sure you will succeed.

I also agree with Isai Gnani it was a nice imagination.

Trend
From: karthi (@ 63.15.178.151) on: Tue Oct 17 23:57:20 EDT 2000

IR's compositions are not my favourable ones for the simple fact that his rhythms are mostly slow and boring.
From: gan (@ 32.97.110.68) on: Wed Oct 18 11:55:08 EDT 2000

Rahman .......heheheheheheh.isai gnana shooniyan.
Rythm andra pairil market ppannindu irukan.Athu sala paithyanga kaka vallipu vanthatha mathri rasichindu irukkunga.Oru padaal pannruthukku oru madham,athvum copy!He hides this by saying he wants perfection.I dont know what he means by perfection????For him everything is automated and simulated by his PC.No need to arrange any instruments....need not write any notes....just he needs to try some permutation and combinations....I agree that trying this combination takes some time....ofcourse a lot of time for kids who are called as "Whizz Kids".There is one more thing he is trying to bring islamic music to tamil.I can challenge this.Can any body say any of his doesn't contain this?
From: isai nanban (@ 212.97.199.150) on: Wed Oct 18 12:37:06 EDT 2000

What to say guys, what a stupid thread!!!!!!!!!!!

IR = Isaignani
ARR = Isaipuyal

Gnani = people who knows all and forever
Puyal = eppothavathu adithuvittu ointhuvidum
From: Theva (@ 209.183.134.106) on: Wed Oct 18 22:24:13 EDT 2000

Wat da hell is wrong w/ tfmpage?? Diz is the only place ppl like to bash ARR. And make IR great. If he's so great, let his damn music speak. And for once you guys shut da hell up!!!
From: Rajarajan (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Thu Oct 19 08:10:44 EDT 2000

Nice joke really. Comparing IR and ARR is like comparing Shivaji Ganesan and Ramarajan.ARR can't measure upto even IR's dirt in his leg.Go and compare ARR and Deva. That could be better.Maybe ARR has a chance to win here.
From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Oct 19 10:31:20 EDT 2000

RajaRajan,

Could you explain this equation?

IR:Sivaji Ganesan::ARR:Ramarajan.

Ungalukkum Ramarajanukkum irrukkira peyar ootrumainala(oru ezhuthila miss aayiruchu) neenga
Ramarajanaa Sivajiya vida periya actor artham sollrathu naaan othuk kolla matten.-)

Trend
From: satish (@ 139.85.161.184) on: Thu Oct 19 11:15:20 EDT 2000

if IR is greater than ARR y cant he prove that
let him comeout with a great album that can surpass ARR album sales, popularity is measured by reach to the people , in that way IR has lost his ground a looooooong time ago,
From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Thu Oct 19 12:47:31 EDT 2000

Satish
The thread is not about ones popularity. It is about the quality.
From: kishmu (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Thu Oct 19 12:50:08 EDT 2000

Like there are times you can't explain physics without a good knowledge of mathematics (R.Feynman's words), you cannot appreciate IR's music without knowing what makes music music. Apart from that, it is not a good idea to compare musicians without knowing what each is trying to say through music. If you really want to understand and enjoy music, it would be of great help to learn music at the first place. We give comparisons so much importance that it brings no meaning to the discussion forums. Also, our opinions are not a result of true inderstanding, but is just an emotional banking on someone elses opinions.
Having said that, there are numerous discussion threads on the web that discuss music, composition, improvisation, technique etc...that is worth the time spent. We could participate in those forums and learn something new instead of holding on to the stone club and try to drive a nail or something - when we can learn that there is a tool called hammer.
From: sunder (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Thu Oct 19 13:21:59 EDT 2000

1960 TO1976 Sixteen years of MSV..

1976TO1992 Sixteen years of IR.

1992TO2008 Sisteen years of ARR.

Ippadi Irundhutu Pogttume History LA....

Ungalukkulaa Ene Kannugala VEEN Sandaii....

......sunder
From: sweet_sixteen (@ 137.132.2.109) on: Thu Oct 19 18:34:51 EDT 2000

sunder:

adhu enna ARR-ukku mattum "sisteen"? :-))

idhai vuttutteengaLE...

1943 TO 1959 Sixteen years of GR..
From: Theva (@ 209.183.134.106) on: Wed Oct 25 15:21:31 EDT 2000

You wanna c arr's talent?? Here's a clip from ARR's upcoming music Bombay Dreams with Andrew Loyd Webber. You can download it through my ftp. For now..

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From: VJ (@ 32.97.110.71) on: Fri Oct 27 13:28:47 EDT 2000

I am not able reach 209.183.134.106..
But I have listned to Andrew loyd webber...and it doesn't sound that great
From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Fri Oct 27 15:55:51 EDT 2000

VJ, you can listen to it here: https://newtfmpage.com/forum/bombaydreams_theva.mp3
From: qwerty (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Sun Oct 29 02:29:29 EST 2000

slow to compose,high in repetition,poor in bgm,no attempts at carnatic music in films,some 'classical' attempts torn to shreds by critics-eppadi ayya ARR is a great composer-nu claim pannareenga.apparently he had to compose tenali in a hurry it seems ie 3 months for the 5 ordinary songs instead of the 6 months it takes for our maestro to compose a superhit album-of which 5 will give you a feeling of where-have- I -heard-this-before feeling.and even ARR fans are not happy with tenali.ARR fans,revel in the hype, wallow in mediocrity -and delude yourself that this is musical bliss!
From: qwerty (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Sun Oct 29 02:31:17 EST 2000

slow to compose,high in repetition,poor in bgm,no attempts at carnatic music in films,some 'classical' attempts torn to shreds by critics-eppadi ayya ARR is a great composer-nu claim pannareenga.apparently he had to compose tenali in a hurry it seems ie 3 months for the 5 ordinary songs instead of the 6 months it takes for our maestro to compose a superhit album-of which 5 will give you a feeling of where-have- I -heard-this-before feeling.and even ARR fans are not happy with tenali.ARR fans,revel in the hype, wallow in mediocrity -and delude yourself that this is musical bliss!
From: Vijay (@ 195.102.166.130) on: Fri Nov 3 05:35:48 EST 2000

A R Rahman is heavily influenced by western music, and in his songs, the usage of the accompanying instruments (especially percussion) and recording are usually better than in Izhayaraajaa's songs - I would agree. Rahman also uses more western instruments than Izhayaraajaa. But he (according to what one is told about Rahman by the media) takes around six months to compose music for a film (he reportedly took so long to complete the music for "Taaj Mahaal" that Bhaarathiraajaa decided to have the background scores completed by Sabesh and Murali, and yet most of the songs in the film were totally bad) so it's no surprise that he is able to do this. And when it comes to melody, A R Rahman can't beat Ilayaraajaa. But you can't say A R Rahman is talentless - he is definitely very talented. And what is wrong with bringing Islamic music to the world of Tamil Film Music?
From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.130) on: Mon Nov 6 04:50:38 EST 2000

"if IR is greater than ARR y cant he prove that
let him comeout with a great album that can surpass ARR album sales, popularity is measured by reach to the people , in that way IR has lost his ground a looooooong time ago"

So, in your yard stick IR is far better than MSV or MSV-TKR, and MSV-TKR are far better than KVM and GR etc..uh.

Madurai Mani, MS, Maharajapuram Vishwanathaiyar et al have given very very few albums in Carnatic Songs than UK, NithyaSree. Hence you say they are not great!!!

Greatness is not measured with popularity. If that is the case I'm afraid Laloo yadav, Jayalalitha, Karunanidhi are greater than Mahatma Gandhi :-)

But definitely, as of now, ARR is more popular amongst the Public and in cine-field than IR.

BTW, is this any way related to topic? if so how? I think we misunderstood the topic, it is CO-PARED and not Compared.

IMO, The composing style of IR and ARR are drastically different. The combo's product will be pathetic or will not be that much good (in optimistic way of putting).

IR is a thinker of music, he conceives music entirely in his mind and brings out notes, this is his way of composition. ARR experiences every bit of music by ear; takes lots of pain to modify & refine; chooses instruments; mixes it etc. So how can these two be copared.

It was possible in the case of IR and MSV. Because their's was a traditional way of composing. They became a great pair like MSV-TKR. But I cannot imagine such an outcome from IR-ARR, for that matter ARR cannot be copared with any one.

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