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Whatever happened to Illayaraja's symphony?

Topic started by Swaminathan N (@ infosys.inf.com) on Wed May 14 15:38:06 EDT 1997.
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• From: V (@ 147.129.98.3) on: Sat Sep 13 20:27:33 EDT 2003
  
  IR has said "Athai (Symphomiyai) naan panni irukka kudathu! Ethanayo medhaigal athai panni irukkanga. Athai nan panna muyalvathu seri illai"
  
  I respect the man's feelings! HE does not have to do a Symphony if he does not want to. He does the kind of music that is close to his heart. Nobody has the bloody right to question that!
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Sun Sep 14 00:34:22 EDT 2003
  
  MIL thatha and Rajasaram patti,
  
  Abdiye, answer this question too. Today you seem to in the mood to talk the truth (a very rare day indeed).
  
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• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Sun Sep 14 00:35:52 EDT 2003
  
  This is my question
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  Heyram, bharathi, pithamagan... man these are albums which came years apart. If he is so good, why isnt he doing more albums? After all, he used to dish out around 20 albums a year right. What happened today? Is he looking only for prestigious projects these days? Bull!!! Most directors dont want his music thats why.
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• From: rajasamadhi (@ 203.145.179.231) on: Sun Sep 14 02:19:47 EDT 2003
  
  ilayaraja vin vaitherichal ukku symphony laam eedaagathu.. oscar vanguvaaraam.. hahaha
  
  evlo hit padam kuduthurkaarunga..... ilayaraja... avar kaaluthula edha oru urupidiyaana music director irundhaaraa????
  adey rajasaranam, nee ipdiyae raaja kku kooja thookku da.. aana symphony release aagum.... eppo.. adutha janmathile...
  
  adhukkule... john williams, thomas new man, lloyd weeber oeda thalaipula.. oru thamizh kudi magan a.r.rahman nnra paerum irukkum.....adhey paathu raaja vaitherichal pattey usura viduvaan!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 203.197.136.39) on: Sun Sep 14 06:03:31 EDT 2003
  
  Dude Raaja at the moment does have a bagfull of films compared to Rahman at the moment. (Pithamagan, Fazils movie, Panchu's movie, Arichuvadi, Atham Eval, Ponmegalai, chandiyar). Now compare this with Rahman ( enakku 20 unakku 18, new, mani's movie, and bharathi raja's movie, BTW i'm also not sure that when the songs will hit the music stores?. Also the music he had done for the past couple of years had been block dusters!!!! Hi Hi.). So dude does that mean Rahman is falling down!!!!
  
  Also FYI, rahman doesnt do music for lot of movies too. He is pathetically slow in producing music. A genius is one who can score quality music at quicker time and the quantity will also be higher(In terms of music for number of movies). THats why people consider bradman as the greatest player ever, than Ravi shastri(Understood!)
  
  He isnt looking for prestigious projects, prestigious projects come to him. Come on a guy who had done 750+ movies over the span of 25 years and still goin doesnt need any one to certify that he is good. And not definetly from a moron like Dude. ( A megalomaniac physco on the rampage!!).
  
  Probably you guys are fans of Deva. If so , this is not the thread to discuss. Open a thread "DEVA the Beethoven of Madras". Good luck
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Sep 14 06:58:52 EDT 2003
  
  Dude,
  Thanks for recognizing, since you are the Music Genius why question...
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Sun Sep 14 14:02:50 EDT 2003
  
  lollllllllllllllllll
  
  Man, these Ilayaraja fans are pathetic. This is an Ilayaraja thread. I ask a direct question about ilayaraja. "Why is Ilayaraja not doing 20 albums per year nowadays" And look at the answers I am getting.
  
  Why the hell are you comparing him with ARR? Please go read my question again. Was there a reference to ARR or even Deva? You guys pollute all other threads by coming and comparing other MDs with Ilayaraja. And you have started doing that in Ilayaraja's threads too. And on top of it you claim that Ilayaraja is incomparable and nobody can come near him. Then why the hell do you guys bring in ARR when I ask you about Ilayaraja's non-performance. Engeoyo kuthuda??? What a bunch of cribbers.
  
  "He isnt looking for prestigious projects, prestigious projects come to him. Come on a guy who had done 750+ movies over the span of 25 years and still goin doesnt need any one to certify that he is good. And not definetly from a moron like Dude. ( A megalomaniac physco on the rampage!!)."
  
  hahahahahaha desparate attempt to divert the discussion. Okay, he does not need a moron's certificate. But here an illogical, incoherent, idiot is giving him a certificate. But I guess that is okay.
  
  And talking about prestigious projects... Hey Ram is a 'prestigious project' right? You guys always quote Hey Ram as one of Ilayaraja's recent 'prestigious projects'. FYI, L.Subramaniam was the MD who originally scored for Hey Ram. Kamal did not pay LS enough, so he pulled out of the movie. And after that Kamalhaasan went to Ilayaraja (guys please dont go into how IR composed music for an already completed movie, blah blah blah). If Kamal really had reverence to IR, he should have been his first choice. And not an afterthought.
  
  And MIL thatha, I take it that you cannot answer my question because you know it is true. Finally in your old age you seem to have got some sense.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.20.100) on: Sun Sep 14 14:37:09 EDT 2003
  
  Dude
  Why Raja is not doing 20 movies per year?
  Raja only accepts movies after listening to the script and if it doesn't appeal to him he doesn't do it. Look the kind of movies he used to work for in the past, how many such movies are made nowadays?. Sometimes there are movies like Manasellam which have a decent script and he accepts, but bad taking spoils them. I hope u get my point
  
  Why Raja did not Hey Ram initially?
  He was offered Hey Ram. He did not do it since his understanding of the script was that it was anti-Gandhi. But after Kamal finished the movie, he approached IR again for BGM. When Raja saw the entire movie he liked the concept and said that he does not like doing BGM alone as it would be a insult to LS. But Kamal was inisistent and thus Raja stepped into the shoes of LS and reworked the whole music section. This you can read from Raaja's budapest memoirs at www.raajangahm.com
  
  If you expect Raaja to do each and every movie that comes to him, it's like asking a neuro surgeon to treat cases of measles. An artist of his calibre needs challenging projects, not routine college love stories.
  
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Sep 14 15:30:40 EDT 2003
  
  Dude,
  It shows the level of music understanding you have. You ask me why is Raja doing less movies, my question is Why if ARR at his peak is doing only one - 2 movies a year, Do you think that is quality?, then consider i answered your question. Dont just talk, I dont want to use hard words, so i stop here.. Just shut up and talk some sense.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 205.231.145.8) on: Sun Sep 14 20:21:25 EDT 2003
  
  Dude,
  Is ARR doing 20 albums a year? I highly doubt it (unless 15 or so of those albums are private albums). Deva is another story-- he probably does about 50 albums a year (other Indian language albums included), seriously.
  
  Jag, I like your last point. However, if the MD makes a sincere effort to give melodious, classy songs to a mundane college romance flick, then I have no objection. But, I'm not at all sure how many guys calling themselves music directors would live up to this task.
  
  There's my two rupees.
  
  Regards,
  the purv
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Sun Sep 14 20:52:38 EDT 2003
  
  Jag,
  
  If Ilayaraja had been judicial about the movies he chose, i.e. reading the script and only accepting if he likes the script, he would not have touched the 750 movie mark.
  
  Do you mean to say that the scores of mohan, ramarajan, p.vasu, et. movies he did during his heyday had excellent scripts??? Puhleeeeeeeezzz gimme a break.
  
  When he was at his peak he signed movies left and right. And as you guys say, he maintained his top spot because there was no worthy competition.
  But as soon as someone came along and gave him competition, he goes into a shell and you guys claim that "Raja only accepts movies after listening to the script and if it doesn't appeal to him he doesn't do it" Where was this good sense when he was doing 20 movies per year. How come he is judicious about selecting movies only now?
  
  I guess the neuro surgeon in his eagerness to increase his patient count started to treat people with measles, dysentry, jaundice, etc.(though he is an excellent neuro surgeon)
  
  MIL thatha, you blabber a few words and consider that you answered my question... Can you answer a question about Ilayaraja without bringing in ARR? Please read Jag's response to my question. Learn something from him.
  I know it is hard for you to think at this age, but please try.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Sep 14 21:08:28 EDT 2003
  
  Dude,
  Thanks, I will learn from Jag's (am learning)!! and i will think wisely from here on!!
  
  And you know my age, where i am from and all poorvigam.. so thanks anyways. And btw YOU ARE THE Genius, know the history of TFM and all..
  
  IF YOU CANNOT THINK WISELY dont bother...
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Sun Sep 14 21:28:54 EDT 2003
  
  lollll, typical of MIL thatha to skirt around the issue and indulge in insignificant babble... While you are learning to think(which you should have done looooooong back), try thinking why you have to bring up ARR whenever someone questions Ilayaraja's performance...
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 24.187.139.59) on: Sun Sep 14 23:22:22 EDT 2003
  
  Dude,
  
  True IR might have accepted movies left, right and centre. Bue "he had the potential to do so" and gave good hits even in kuppai movies.
  
  He stayed in top not because there was no competition, but because he was capable of handling more movies in short time. He gave good songs and good BGM too. As he could do all the movies by himself, directors don't have to other MD's.
  
  I don't know what you guys get by degrading a genius by saying he stayed in top because there was no competition and all that.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 67.167.55.147) on: Mon Sep 15 01:54:47 EDT 2003
  
  There goes the claim that "Ilayaraja reads the script first and accepts the movie only if he likes the script" out of the window.
  
  I never deny the fact that he has given excellent songs. But what about the scores of movies he has done that have gone without a trace, and even Ilayaraja fans dont want to mention those movies.
  
  So, it is accepted that he used to compose for 'kuppai' movies. By composing for hundreds of kuppai movies, he reached the 750 movie mark. But for the past few years, he is doing very few movies per year... So, what does this mean?
  
  Anyone can see that he does not get enough movies anymore. Thats why he is not composing for so many movies as he used to. But IR fans are bent upon claiming that he is reading scripts and rejecting movies. It is an extremely convenient excuse. Come on guys, you are just trying to pacify yourselves.
  
  Anbe sivam, I never degraded the genius. I only quoted what an Ilayaraja fan had stated that too in this very same discussion forum.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon Sep 15 02:41:32 EDT 2003
  
  Try answer
  "Rajini not acting any movie for last 2 yrs, only 1 in last 5 yrs. He is not super star!!!"
  
  Dude logic: he is no longer super start, nobody wants to book rajini>
  
  Hahaaaaaa.
  
  

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