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New Releases by ARR??

Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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• From: clarify[1] (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Feb 9 05:10:01 EST 1999
  
  Geetha:
  You missed the :) as vijay pointed out. Probably it was a result of past attacks, of which I have no cognisance.
  You have accused me of not understanding your comments. Maybe. I am not, as you have rightly pointed out, knowledgeable in music. All the same, I am quite competent in English and netiquette. When I type a :) it means a jestful observation, not to be taken seriously. I have no comments to make on either ARR or you, nor have I ever remarked anything personal against you, if you care to notice. However, I am not going to apologise because you have unnecessary brought in Raja intot he picture. You are right.I am what you would calla blindIRfanatic. AND I am, just as proud of it as you are of your musical knowledge. To each ,his/her own (idiosyncracies).
  I would just like to point out that while I refrained from any personal attack, you have
  1)Misunderstood a casual remark.
  2)Used adjectives like CRASS , which my post didnt deserve certainly, even if , as you did, someone grossly misinterpreted the import of it.
  
  3. Flaunted your musical knowledge...now, it might be substantial. But , if you feel so proud of it as to browbeat others into submitting to your observations,well...
  
  4)Lastly, made some hasty and wanton observations about my taste in music. You know nothing of it. I wouldnt take the pains to convince you either.
  
  For all that, I have not taken any offence. I would just like to suggest in that you take this forum, at the least, less seriously...probably ,then ,you will see humour when it is meant.
  
  You can continue posting here without any fear of contrary opinions..I'll stay away...I should probably confine myself to the "dhksfl" stuff. Atleast, when people come there, they know what to expect!
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Feb 9 07:45:19 EST 1999
  
  geetha, how about the lyrics part??
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Feb 9 10:04:37 EST 1999
  
  Thanks for the support guys, I think I'll stick to replying to sensible comments and queries. One counter attack first......SORRY RAVI and Gang....gotta do what a Girl's gotta do. The useful stuff comes later.....bb.....
  
  Warning: Personal attack/Counter-attack in progress........
  
  Messers Rajesh/srini/CLARIFY1(deshaw) and Shankar/NotoriousCLARIFY(mot):
  
  Why don't you guys use your names?, are you scared that you'll offend someone and that you'll get hit, after making these sorts of comments, or that you'll get laughed at on the streets, if you're spotted? Oooooohhhh, I'll stop at this point, I don't really care who you are.
  
  What can I say, my post said it all, my use of strong language was without intent, as I was hurt by your remark - I feel that you were insulting my knowledge, I've had mails from people aggreeing with that fact that your comment didn't really sound like one in lighter vein(I was only writing a review - everyone is entitled to their opinion of musical content of an album, technically or non-technically; I even titled it, For those who are interested - If you don't listen to ARR's work why were you interested?; if your intent was not to upset me, then I apologise(this is for Clarify1 aka Rajesh/srinir). As stated by someone, TROUBLEMAKERS. I would kindly ask you to please please keep away from threads that you will cause trouble in......
  
  There are but a few threads for un-biased people(As I like ARR and have pointed out some of IR's flaws, MR CLARIFY/Rajesh THINKS/PRESUMES that I'm biased, HOW WRONG HE IS, an un-bias is to show NO BIAS Good or Bad towards someone one admires).....why don't you allow those un-biased/appreciating people to read in peace. It's like someone picked on a very young girl, Purnima, for having a different taste in music from others.....
  
  Also, to state a point, I did not say that ESK was copied from Ninathen Vandhai, as you two are making me out to have said(1st lesson - DO NOT TRY AND PUT YOUR WORDS INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S MOUTH/POSTING), I simple stated a COMMONLY USED MUSICAL TECHNIQUE(THEME and VARIATIONS - I learnt this in my O'Level Western Classical Music) that ARR has used, in a loose sense of the actual technique in this case, I citing an example of where it was seen before. I have also told you that it is NOT a comparison, even though I enjoyed Ninaithen Vanthai - Go on, slap me for this.....
  
  This style has been used in TFM in the past, even by IR, I believe, it's just that I cannot pinpoint where in(none of his new stuff has it, but the way it's going, he will use this technique too, soon), hence I used a very new film that has music that is fresh in listeners' minds.....
  
  I notice how you both didn't comment on my IR statements, why is he 'inspired' by Deva's Oru Mani Adithaal in the Diana song?; Why was he 'inspired' by Deva's "Agaasa Vaani"(Piriyamudan) in Manam Virumbudhe Unnai, where he has used a very very similar beat to one of the slow numbers and also almost note for note in the Prelude music? I think that if my comparison had been on that side of the fence, comparing IR with Deva, as I have done, you too would have been hurt, as you've implied I've done with ARR.....
  
  Also, Deva may copy a lot, but if you opened up your mind to the MUSIC and not the copy, you may hear a lot that you are missing - some copies are recorded better/instrumented better e.t.c than the originals, and copies of excerpts from songs, which is done a lot, but can add to a song..... I am not using my knowledge to throw my views at you, please remember that. The worst thing is that everything I write seems to have a hidden meaning to you, why is this? Back to Deva, try listening to the song Kanave Kalaiyaadhe(DESH raga) from Kannethire Thonrinaal, what a beauty it is.....Hit me againg for saying this.... and, more comments to you guys, Putting down what is liked by the mass, in a exclusive forum appears to be where you get your kicks from, as you feel that you look knowledgeable doing this, well, let me tell you something, it doesn't, unless you can technically substanciate your information, you look silly - pardon my language. The other funny thing is that when ARR does something it's constant critisism, whereas, if Vidhyasaagar does an ARRish/ARR sounding album - this DF's mostly acclaimed Uyirodu Uyiraaga or if IR does this, Kadhal Kavidhai, it's OK, but if ARR even repeats one style, it's outcry from you......This is not just for you two, but other fanatics too. By the way, just as it's not nice to pick on people for ther musical tastes, it's not nice to pick on girls, I notice you do this, as you think that we're too weak willed to fight back(e.g ME, Purnima - Sorry to drag you into this, but I was very upset be the nasty comments you got in the past, also, I haven't seen you or Hrishi comment in ages.....)
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  bb@schubert>(very good Western composer): I'm afraid I'm not a natural Tamil language sepaker(in the sense that I was brought up in Africa and the UK) - I have picked it up in the recent years and can understand colloquial Tamil, as spoken. Unfortunately, I don't have a knowledge of lyrics, but I know someone in this Forum who is excellent, that is SRIRAM LAKSHMANAN - Hi there Sriram.
  
  I had the pleasure of meeting SRIRAM on a trip to the US and he not only knows the nuacences of lyrical content, but can also tell one how the Composer has used the Raga/Tune/Subtle Note usage, in order to fit the situation and lyrics that the song is written to. I think that it would be very apt to ask him about ESK. You'll get the most effective answer. His translations to English are also perfect, so we can all learn from him.
  
  Here are my thoughts, from my limited knowledge of Tamil. The first thing that struck me was the Niagra song, where there was blatent usage of the word Viagra, a buzz-word of present. To me, it seems like it spoilt the song, the song is growing on me, but the choruses are rather 'strange', if I may use that word - It was a fairly seemless jump from the soft Harini part, to the Anupama and co. part, but just a bit jarring.
  
  The En Swasa Kaatre Title track is in fairly simple Tamil(the main bits of it) and seems to be written well, it flows nicely and the words seem to fit. It's romantic intent is quite obvious and beautiful. The song takes me to a peaceful and pleasant world. The other MGS song, catchy and beaty, has the word Chakravakham in it, but I don't know if he is referring to the Raga. the Unni/Chithra song is also a romantic number, but I still don't know what it means.....the double tracking of some of the voices seems to be a cause of the ear skipping the lyrics and also, the instrumentation is very very rich, hence, incredibly noticeable. I also really like the sound on the words in the SPB song, Theendai(something to do with touch?)....very interesting sounding, but I didn't even understand the dialogue spoken by the female at the beginning of it. I presume that this is for a 'seductive' situation, but please don't quote me on this, I really have very little idea and often go by the melodic content.
  
  Over to Sriram for a detailed view, if you don't mind......Thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Feb 9 10:25:05 EST 1999
  
  Geetha,
  u had better check the past postings which gives clarifications from both the real "clarify" from webgate0 (that is one Mr.Karthik )and me.
  
  I don't have to use a nick name bash ARR and I have never posted in any other name to express my views. I am a proud Raja FANATIC & ARR Basher/thulper etc ..etc.
  
  FYI, apart from me there's Viswa, Sankaran, UV, and Mr.Karthik from MIEL visiting the DF regularly.
  
  If u r NOT a regular visitor , start posting after going thro' what has happened b'fore ,if u don't have that patience don't start attacking people personally.
  Do get things straigh and start bashing.
  
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Feb 9 10:37:27 EST 1999
  
  Shankar: Oh Dear, I'm very sorry for pulling you into this. FYI, I too am a regular visitor(maybe more than you guys, as I've been here a long time), I've been posting since early last year, what does MIEL mean and why don't these people use their real names, instead of useless acronyms? It would make my life and everyone's easier.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Feb 9 11:19:22 EST 1999
  
  Geetha,
  may be I'm NOT a senior member of this forum as U.
  But i too have been around for more than a year and a daily visitor of DF.
  had u checked previous pages, this mistake wudn't 've happened.mannippadhum maRappadhum thamizhar paNbAdu.
  
  nAn thamizhan.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Feb 9 11:22:34 EST 1999
  
  BTW,
  MIEL is the acronym(!!) for Motorola India Electronics Ltd.
  
  We all work in the same place. I haven't met karthik and UV .Viswa and sankaran know me personally.
  
  

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