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Rahman Bashers

Topic started by Arun (@ internet1.ford.com) on Wed Jun 25 12:54:08 EDT 1997.
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• From: dhan (@ dajal.legato.com) on: Thu Nov 19 19:59:39 EST 1998
  
  suripri:
  I would like to know about the tune of kulivaliley song...is it original or copied??? I heard counteless number of times that the bg beat is copied..if it is just bg score that is copied and the tune is original, does that mean a song is copied??? If one extends the argument, every MD repeats their rhythms in every other songs for the upteen years, do you also classify their masterpieces as rehashes/copies. IMO, I am always open to rhythms thats new to me(may be used in some places) instead of listening to same set of rhythms which is often used.
  
  
• From: vimal (@ visy1.eas.asu.edu) on: Thu Nov 19 21:51:55 EST 1998
  
  Guys,
  If you've listened to the song ""Like A Virgin" by Madonna, I'm pretty sure you'll know the "origin" of the kuluvalile song. Moreover, when it comes to BGM, whenever there's a serious scene or a scene depicting violence, all that ARR does it to make someone shout"Aaahhh.... Aahhh..." with some gamakkams, of course all done digitally.
  
  
• From: Srinivasan (@ global25.citicorp.com) on: Fri Nov 20 00:28:11 EST 1998
  
  The ending music in the Kadhalan's song (mukkala mukabhula" is a "ATTA COPY" from Dr.Alban's album !! ARR's BGM is like "practising before the recording or like tuning your intruments before the "kutcheri" !!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss08.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Nov 20 12:44:24 EST 1998
  
  After one and a half years people have still not tired of bashing ARR. He must rank as the Bill Gates of TFM :-))) in more ways than one :-)
  
  
• From: nTv (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on: Fri Nov 20 14:18:20 EST 1998
  
  Srikanth,
  
  WARNING: Digression
  
  Do you work at Oracle Headquarters, Redwood Shores??
  
  Yeah! at 100. Will contact you off-line.
  
  
• From: suripri (@ userk687.uk.uudial.com) on: Sat Nov 21 08:17:49 EST 1998
  
  hi sri,
  
  do u know what`s happening to "Bill gates" recently????
  
  
• From: suren (@ userk687.uk.uudial.com) on: Sat Nov 21 08:22:54 EST 1998
  
  sorry dhan,
  i dont think it was suripri`s view, may be it was from LN of classical ilayas fame
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.73) on: Sat Nov 21 16:47:28 EST 1998
  
  ARR's statement that he has not listened to IR's music at all is absurd. how can someone who had been playing keyboard for IR's songs for a few years not have heard his songs. it seems ARR helped IR too in 'computer synthesizing' a song for punnagai mannan. definitely he has been influenced by IR's music. he also said that he liked 'inji iduppazhagi' from devar magan. his statements always contradict each other.
  
  by far he has never come out with a strong and conclusive statement about what he thinks about IR's music.
  
  
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-215.bellatlantic.net) on: Sat Nov 21 18:23:20 EST 1998
  
  Vijay :
  
  I don't understand why you or me or anybody else should care ?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-84-90.sprint.ca) on: Sat Nov 21 19:40:35 EST 1998
  
  pg
  Then I don't see why anyone should care about anything in TFM personalities.
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ spider-tq034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 21 23:37:29 EST 1998
  
  aruvi,
  I dont know, why we except ARR to say everytime about IR and others. Even the reports, when they interview other film personalities, often ask stupid questions like ARR or IR?, recently actor vijay was caught on that. It is humanly possible for ARR or others to score music in TFM, with out
  being influenced by IR or others.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ spider-tq034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 21 23:38:23 EST 1998
  
  aruvi,
  I dont know, why we except ARR to say everytime about IR and others. Even the reports, when they interview other film personalities, often ask stupid questions like ARR or IR?, recently actor vijay was caught on that. It is humanly possible for ARR or others to score music in TFM, with out
  being influenced by IR or others.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-80-11.sprint.ca) on: Sun Nov 22 14:59:06 EST 1998
  
  Easwaren
  
  TRUE!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Sun Nov 22 15:25:13 EST 1998
  
  easwaran,
  i do not think that's possible. if u read srirangam lakshminarayan's article, i don't remeber which one, he has criticised this attitude of ARR and has openly challenged him to compose music without any of his predecessor's influence. the fact is ARR has been deeply influenced by many of his predecessors which would include definitely MSV and IR, IMO, and for some reason or the other he does not want to accept it.
  
  and i do care about this because the media always hypes up rahman to be very humble and all that.
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ 169-56-130.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Nov 22 20:51:30 EST 1998
  
  vijay,
  where I can get that article?.
  BTW, both aruvi and vijay, You can call me
  hari, :-)
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Sun Nov 22 23:28:34 EST 1998
  
  hari,
  the link to that site is given in the articles section in this site. for your sake the link is
  http://coldfusion.tfmpage.com/redirect.cfm?url=https://newtfmpage.com/ci
  
  
• From: bala (@ 129.219.38.214) on: Mon Nov 23 20:41:49 EST 1998
  
  thanks vijay for the URL. i got what i had been missing all along. i wanted an in-depth analysis of the ragas used in cine music, how the grammer is customized to suit the tastes of the public, all that!! the author seems to be very knowledgable. he has discussed all the nuances of carnatic music as used in cine music.
  
  the challenge that u had mentioned looked more like he was saying that composing music without the influence of ur forefathers is impossible even if u lock urself from the outside world. at the end of the last article, he has pounced on the attitude of IR towards his competitors and colleagues. rather philosophical at the end.
  anyways, have fun,
  bala
  
  
• From: Raju (@ macril073.lgu.ac.uk) on: Thu Nov 26 10:55:45 EST 1998
  
  Let us not forget IR & his children also say that
  they do not/ haven't heard any Rahman songs. Karthik raja went as far as to saying he had never heard a ARR song! You can only laugh so many times. Listen to the lyrics IR sang in that 'cinema' song. .'.....cut out .....markettu eranthu ponal get out sollum cinema'. Prophetic ?
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Thu Nov 26 14:36:43 EST 1998
  
  Raju: KR never said he did not hear ARR's "work". In fact he clearly stated (in Filmfare or Hindu) that Roja had a deep imact on him. Also, YSR's favorite songs include Kadhal Rojave from Roja - he said this in a TV interview.
  
  So don't make baseless statements.
  
  
• From: vj (@ opah.chemengr.ucsb.edu) on: Mon Nov 30 14:24:35 EST 1998
  
  i thought you were into rahmanbashing...
  why all this "what IR, IR's family and ARR and ARR's family said......"
  Somebody RIP and BASH ARR
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Wed Dec 2 16:32:16 EST 1998
  
  Each MD has his own way of composing music. IR is a genius, no doubt and no comparisons. But ARR is unique in his own style. As IR said, "Isai oru yemaathu velai... irukkura 7 swaratha vera vera maadhiri combine pannidhaan music poda vendi irukku. adhula sila tune ore maadhiri irukkum. adha thavirka mudiyaadhu". I know the combination of the 7 swarams are numerous. But sometimes, if used wrongly, they can lead to 'abaswaram'. Even then, sometimes, we get similar music. ARR need not be bashed. He is too good a music director.
  
  
• From: nAradhan (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Thu Dec 3 00:43:35 EST 1998
  
  bEsh bEsh ARR!
  keep it up!
  
  
• From: nAradhan_Jr (@ spider-wa062.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Dec 3 08:14:02 EST 1998
  
  Besh ! Besh ! Besh nAradhan !
  
  
  
• From: ratchagan (@ 203.197.129.81) on: Mon Dec 7 03:12:47 EST 1998
  
  well said SHANMUGAM MURUGAPPAN
  
  why should we bash arr when he has achieved so much in a short span, he is good in his own way
  by this we are bruising arr fan's hearts.
  it's very absurd to have a thread to bash
  someone
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss04.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Mon Dec 7 11:27:48 EST 1998
  
  ratchagan:
  Is it ok to have an entire forum to bash someone ? Is it OK to bruise IR fans' hearts ? ARR fans in here cannot praise ARR without trying to put down IR. What IR has achieved overshadows ARR in every which way. This thread was actually strarted to counter ARR bashers. Perhaps you ought to go back to the first posting and see.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.151) on: Tue Dec 8 10:18:24 EST 1998
  
  Hey Srinath,
  
  Well said. It's no see-saw game: To praise someone, one need not pull-down the other.
  
  Neels
  PS: I wishfully wish I knew the average age-group of the IR bashers! It will then be quite easy to arrive at 'some' conclusions! And THAT will ensure me inner peace:)
  
  HOFFER'S LAW:
  "When people are free to do as they please,
  they usually imitate each other."
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Dec 8 10:39:45 EST 1998
  
  neels: do u mean the physical age or the mental age?? we can guess which will be less:)
  
  
• From: Raja_fanatic (@ pup36.stanford.edu) on: Tue Dec 8 22:40:43 EST 1998
  
  Well said Srinath! Sums up the feelings of IR fans.
  
  
  
• From: truth truth truth truth truth truth (@ 203.197.131.32) on: Wed Dec 9 12:26:13 EST 1998
  
  ir fans age limit will probably be between 40-55
  that's when they will be obstinate to change themselves to the existing trend
  
  
• From: Thaatha (@ ss01.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Dec 9 12:54:11 EST 1998
  
  truth truth truth truth truth truth:
  IMHO, only a person silly enough to call himself "truth truth truth truth truth truth" is obstinate. Can't you see how immature you come across ? People will laugh at you for posting like this ! ARR is a very talented musician, but still not good enough to be called a genius. IR is a genius. Argue this with rational postings. Would you call your 'daddy' or 'mummy' obstinate ? See, that is very bad manners. They are older to you and KNOW more than you do. Wait till you get to be that age and only then you will understand the wisdom behind their words. Till then you will be under the mistaken impression that ARR is a good music director. I do not blame you. But please think twice before shouting at your elders. OK ? Now be a good boy.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Wed Dec 9 15:57:08 EST 1998
  
  Thaatha, (I think it is Srinath),
  
  What you said was 100% correct. Elders will definitely have more experience than the youngsters. But, IMO, each person has his own taste and he feels that his favourite MD is the best. There is nothing wrong in an IR fan saying that IR is a genius and he may even go to the extent of saying that IR has better knowledge in music than, even, Mozart. It is his opinion. Similarly, an IR fan should understand that an ARR fan will be under the opinion that ARR is the best. That is his opinion. Why should one unnecessarily bash another person's favourite? ARR is a talented musician and not that he is good enough to be called a genius. He is not EXPERIENCED enough to be called a genius. IR was called "Isaignani" after more than 10 years in the industry. It has been hardly 8 years since ARR came to the field and he has composed music for less films than IR.
  
  There is no point in saying IR is better than ARR. Definitely, an ARR fan is not going to accept it. No matter, who accepts it or not, it will raise hard feelings and frequent clashes and bashes. An ideal senior, should be mature enough, to give way to juniors. Periyavanga dhaanga chinnavangalukku vittu kodukkanum. Not the vice versa. That is the only way to stop this 'never-ending' quarrel.
  
  What to do? The younger generation likes ARR more than IR. That is a fact and that doesn't mean that ARR is better than IR.
  
  

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