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Disappointing National Awards 2001: Anil Kapoor Best Actor?????

Topic started by Peter Pan (@ 203.199.87.3) on Tue Mar 27 03:45:14 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

The National Award for best actor last year goes to Anil Kapoor!!! This, for his so called "intense performance" in Pukar.
Raveena Tandon bags it for her unreleased film, 'Daman'.
A Tehelka-like expose' on the the award committee is the need of the hour IMO.
I will await more details and post them soon.

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• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.5) on: Wed Mar 28 08:44:47 EST 2001
  
  you can't compare Inji Iduppazhaga with PAyale Chumn...Inji song has a greater "countryside musical flavors" and AM has totally failed to achieve in his copied songs. Copy does not come nowhere near to original....What's the basic qualification to become a Jury member...who decides that??
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Mar 28 12:25:48 EST 2001
  
  I think the award to Bhava was to appease IR for not giving him the national award. Wasted 30 minutes of my time listening to 'refugee' on raaga.com :)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38) on: Wed Mar 28 12:40:54 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  I'm not sure if the award to Bhava is to appease her father. Then proabhu should have won award to appease shivaji and so on... Bhava was chosen for the award for her "(in)abilities" in singing. period! and that shows the quality of the jury and the award itself!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Wed Mar 28 13:01:25 EST 2001
  
  "Inji idduppazhaga" is actually inspired from a old hindi song. SPB mentioned it long before. The hindi number is
  
  "Yeh dil deevana hai"
  "dilto devanai"
  "deevana dil hai ye"
  "di deevana"
  
  THe tune of the original and "thannan thaniththirukka" part of Inji song match very well.
  As far as Chitra is concerned, why blame a sing for what an MD had done. Her version was excellent. You should give credit to her for have sung the song very well inspite of knowing the fact that it is a direct copy number.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 63.97.162.44) on: Wed Mar 28 13:37:34 EST 2001
  
  
  "Inji idduppazhaga" is actually inspired from a old hindi song. SPB mentioned it long before. The hindi number is >/i>
  
  There comes a "beautiful" remark/statement/(pass??)
  
  
• From: clsoing italics (@ 63.97.162.44) on: Wed Mar 28 13:38:04 EST 2001
  
  
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Wed Mar 28 13:41:26 EST 2001
  
  Digression:
  I thought Minmini won best female playback NA for Chinna Chinna Aasai...Can anybody confirm who won it for that year!!?..just curious to know...will help us Anna and Thambi (ir fan).
  End Digression
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 209.197.173.11) on: Wed Mar 28 14:44:19 EST 2001
  
  Minmini, I believe, won the award for year 92. The film was released in August of 92.
  
  About Inji...
  I also wondered why the jury gave the award to a copied song. But now I guess the original(thought to be) is also derived from somewhere:-). Janaki sang the song. Likewise Chithra too. Anyhow, the music is not the same. I like the duet version in hindi better, but I like the solo version in tamil better.
  
  RajaG,
  Have you ever heard the proverbs 'sevidan kaathila oothina sangu':-)). I agree with you.
  
  To be frank, I don't understand how they go about judging in N.Award. Let's go back before 97 and try to see it from there.
  
  From what I know, UnniKrishan won the year 94 award for Ennavalae. This was a great song, a difficult song and an extremely popular song, even today. So was Yesudas's 'Pramadhavanam' or Chithra's Paadariyaean Padipariyean'. On the other hand, songs like 'chinna chinna aasai' by Minmini, Poorale ponnuthaiyee by SwarnaLatha and 'manjal prasadhavum' by Chithra won awards. I assumed that these songs won the awards on their popularity, at least the initial one and the latter two due to popularity and situation. Regardless, although the latter three songs donn't seem to be technically difficult, they had in them something that mesmerized the audience(a majority) and was regarded and is still regarded as great songs. But to come to Bavatharini's 'Mayil Pola'...it had nothing of this nature. Even if you excuse technical difficulty, which we have seen is not necessary, you have to admit that Bava's song had no flavour at all to have been given the merit. There is an immense difference between a song like 'sendoorapoove, sendhoorapoove' and 'mayil pola', even if the genre is the same(basically, folkish).
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Wed Mar 28 14:52:51 EST 2001
  
  aruvi and others Minmini was not awarded for 'chinna chinna aasai' Devar Magan and Roja was released in the same year (1992) and the award was given to SJ for inji iduppazhagaa
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Mar 28 15:29:36 EST 2001
  
  
  ""Inji idduppazhaga" is actually inspired from a old hindi song. SPB mentioned it long before."
  
  That sounds a little strange for me. SPB did not sing this song then on what context he makes this comment!
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.202) on: Wed Mar 28 17:59:01 EST 2001
  
  SPB mentioned how some songs sound similar and maybe interpreted as "inspiration" during his show in the Bay Area (2000 tour- He could have mentioned this in other concerts too) He mentioned
  
  Kurukku ChiruththavaLey - Saavan Kaa mahinaa
  vaNNam konda veNnilavEy - kabHi khudh pE kabHi haalaath pe
  
  in addition to the one above.
  
  Aruvi/Shanmugam: I "hear" you:-)
  
  
• From: Krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Thu Mar 29 00:21:56 EST 2001
  
  I heard the Hindi song you have mentioned,
  There is not even a bit of similarity in it.
  
  
• From: Krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Thu Mar 29 00:23:15 EST 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  I heard the Hindi song you have mentioned,
  There is not even a bit of similarity in it.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.246) on: Thu Mar 29 01:01:05 EST 2001
  
  `manjaL prasAdhavum' simple song????? aruvi, konjam andhappAtta pAdippArunga:-) I don't think it's any simpler than pAdaRiyEn or ennavalE or inji...
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.246) on: Thu Mar 29 01:02:46 EST 2001
  
  BTW, did (Bombay)Ravi win any NA?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179) on: Thu Mar 29 10:30:07 EST 2001
  
  flifo:
  SPB didn't sing the song. I have mentioned this example earlier also. I didn't give the songs name. SPB said that one IR told him how he got inspired from that old hindi song and how he incorporated it in the DM sone. SPB was mentioning about how great people get inspire from each others work. (You won't agree ... anyway.) He mentioned the MDs name but I forgot. He song both the songs and showed the similarity.
  
  Now as I mentioned, the "Thannan thaniththirukka"
  part of the tamil song matches with "Yeh dil deevana hai". Sing for your self and see. I could see the similarity clearly. Again, I am the one who understands the diff. bet. Copying and insp. So I am not complaining. I applies to all MD.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179) on: Thu Mar 29 10:32:51 EST 2001
  
  flifo:
  SPB didn't sing the song. I have mentioned this example earlier also. I didn't give the songs name at that time. SPB said that one day IR told him how he got inspired from that old hindi song and how he incorporated it in the Devar Magan song. SPB was mentioning about how great people get inspire from each others work. (You won't agree ... anyway.) He mentioned the MDs name but I forgot. He sang both the songs and showed the similarity.
  
  Now as I mentioned, the "Thannan thaniththirukka"
  part of the tamil song matches with "Yeh dil deevana hai". Sing for your self and see. I could see the similarity clearly. Again, I am the one who understands the diff. bet. Copying and insp. So I am not complaining. It applies to all MD.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Mar 29 10:45:55 EST 2001
  
  "Yeh dil deevana hai". Sing for your self and see"
  
  Hey CF;
  
  I donno this song man (if you have a link please post it here). Hence I am not in a position to judge their similarities.
  
  
• From: Arasu Dakshin (@ 64.133.24.16) on: Thu Mar 29 10:56:13 EST 2001
  
  Talking about all the songs that won National awards, the song that I think deserved due recognition and failed to make it is - "MAnjolai KilliThano"..
  
  What a pity .. Jayachandran deserved an award for the song.
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179) on: Thu Mar 29 10:57:15 EST 2001
  
  flifo:
  I knew the song a little but I don't know the songs link business and all. One point is my machine has got no audio system . So, even if I wish to listen one thru net, I am not able to do it. So, all your examples of copying allegation could not be properly checked by me. Okay.. that my problem.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Fri Mar 30 04:51:05 EST 2001
  
  The plot thickens:
  "National Award? No, Thanks!"
  says celebrated Bengali director as he declines to accept this year's National Award for the Best Bengali film Dekha. This is what he has to say:
  
  "This year's National Awards have become farcical with reports of rigged results in a section of press indicating that the names of some winners had been decided even before the official declaration."
  (-Anil & Raveena were reportedly celebrating their 'WIN' two days before they were out!-).
  
  "I don't want my film to be clubbed with an award tainted with controversies."
  
  Bold move by a bold man. What say?
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Fri Mar 30 05:02:35 EST 2001
  
  Hey, I missed his name in my above post: he is Gautam Ghosh, director of such award winning films as 'PAr', 'Antarjali Yatra' and 'Padma Nadir Majhi'. Interestingly, he was the chairperson for last year's National Awards. He had then lamented the fact that (i>Hey Ram did not get a couple of Main awards that it deserved.
  
  
• From: TRUTH (@ 203.199.228.158) on: Fri Mar 30 10:14:13 EST 2001
  
  Gautan Ghosh would have kept quite if his film bagged all India level award...Since it fetched him only Regional level Best Bengali film award he is making noise
  By the way guys here forget this is TFM forum and making this a Vivadha MEDAI for all topics...
  This forum has become now TOTAL FORUM MEDAI...to express the viwes of few Velai illadha Pasanga
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Fri Mar 30 10:23:37 EST 2001
  
  Guys, are you ready for this ? Looks like 'Bharathi' was rejected unonimously in the first stage itself !!! How cruel it is !!
  
  http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2001/mar/30prad.htm
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Fri Mar 30 11:33:18 EST 2001
  
  TRUTH:
  "Velai illadha Pasanga" - we VIPs!!!
  
  

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