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IR's new albums!

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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• From: SR Kaushik (@ nova2.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sun Feb 21 15:23:08 EST 1999
  
  Nithin: I applaud your initiative. I am willing to help you in whatever way I can. You can contact me by email.
  
  
• From: Sathish (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Mon Feb 22 06:44:42 EST 1999
  
  Hai
  
  Sangili Murugans(Kalyani Cini arts) next production is going to be directed by
  "A great surprise" - Manirathnam
  
  Music - ???????
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Feb 22 08:22:40 EST 1999
  
  Obviously IR.
  
  
• From: NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on: Mon Feb 22 08:40:22 EST 1999
  
  hi.,
  Sangili murugan's production is 'Meenatchi cine arts' i think !
  NagasubramaniaN
  
  
• From: Praveen (@ bay2-29.dial.umd.edu) on: Mon Feb 22 10:48:48 EST 1999
  
  It is neither.
  It is Murugan Cine Arts
  
  
• From: Swami (@ wp2.ericy.com) on: Mon Feb 22 15:33:03 EST 1999
  
  Mr.Satish,
  Where did u get the info?
  
  >Swami.
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Mon Feb 22 17:06:55 EST 1999
  
  Nitin and others,
  I also like the idea of bringing IR to US. This is
  what I found out.
  I spoke to a tamil sangam person, I know here in NJ. He said it is possible, if we work out the budget and the places, the concert is going to be.
  Anyhow there is a parent organization, which is not only confined to new jersey, and i will be getting the contact nos tommorrow. another interesting info I found out is, there is going to be convention on july 4 th in atlantic city in new jersey by this parent organization, and that may be a good time to invite IR, if it is feasible.
  Just let me know, whether I am going in a right direction and welcome to hear your feedbacks on this. and if you have not already known, my email id is e_hari@yahoo.com.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ spider-to062.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Feb 23 21:03:53 EST 1999
  
  Hari, hope you got my email.
  
  
• From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.37.75) on: Wed Feb 24 03:40:19 EST 1999
  
  Is it true that IR is the MD for next Sangli murugan Movie?IR is too busy with too many movies.What is IR latest album?How is the songs in that album?Can anybody explain to me?
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ spider-wg011.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Feb 24 19:27:47 EST 1999
  
  Is TIME released?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Feb 25 02:35:01 EST 1999
  
  NOT yet.
  
  
• From: RajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Thu Feb 25 11:59:05 EST 1999
  
  I am a fan of IR, but probably not as hardcore as some of the other DFers are. I thank him for the wonderful music he has provided for our/my enjoyment. But at the same time, I have to say that in the recent past IR has disappointed me - the average fan - thoroughly by using people like Ila Arun, Bavadharini, etc (Kadhal Kavidhai) to render his compositions. I feel he has compromised to provide 'gimmick' rather than cater to the respectful tastes of his fans. My question is, if he is compromising to provide inferior products, why should I blindly support his 'business ventures' as great examples of art? I have to evaluate his business venture as a business venture and at that, I criticize that his product (the Ila Arun product that is) sucks. I'm sorry, there is probably thousands of better talents in Mylapore alone, and IR selected pretty much selected the worst available by going to Ila Arun. When other MDs are NOT producing anything remarkable, this would have been an ideal time for IR to come up with a creative masterpiece similar to Moondraam Pirai, Udaya Geetham, (I can go on and on) but, NO, he is in with the flow of other guys. I sometimes feel that the well has started to run dry.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Thu Feb 25 12:01:13 EST 1999
  
  Oops. There is one too many 'selected' there. Sorry 'bout that.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ wp2.ericy.com) on: Thu Feb 25 16:03:32 EST 1999
  
  Well Mr. RajaG,
  IR is now between the 'deep sea and the devil'. He should give quality music without compromising on quality(defn of quality is pretty ambiguous here) and at the same time cater to the masses who want mind blasting and foot tapping music. Well sorry to say, singers today need not have perfect pronounciation, delivery of tone and pitch. Take for eg. Udit, Hariharan (bitter but true....bad tamizh delivery), Domnic, Suresh Peters(better not sing in tamizh), Bava (horrible pitch), ....do these singers pronounce tamizh correctly. definitely no....but they are welcomed by those masses I'd mentioned; Fortunately or unfortuntely they constitute about 30-40% of the listening crowd. So he's left with no other choice. Well the same gimmick was started by ARR (I feel bad for this), and that is proving to be his marketing stratergy till now. IR has still creative master pieces within him. Its upto us to come out of the so called "shell" which we are pushing ourselves into and listen to him carefully. Just forget everything, forget all the biased opinions, listen to "konji pesu kannama" from KK, "Ilaya Nilave" and "Nandavana kuyile" from ponnu veetukaran, "naan vakkapattu" from DG,. Look for those interludes and they realize, how much that guy still has in store for us.
  
  Cheers,
  Swami.
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ freedum.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Feb 25 17:30:42 EST 1999
  
  "Konji peesu Kannama" has some interesting intro with the gutiar giving the necessary punch and, when IR starts the song the chord movements are not percievable but a sudden intro of the harmony lifts it to new heights.
  It's IR at his best and infact the song turns a bit folkish in the charanam.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Feb 25 17:51:55 EST 1999
  
  hi,
  
  sounds like most songs in kAdhal kavithai has the interlude scored by KR and it were true, KR has done a
  pretty good song.
  
  looks like IR has decided "mARRAn thOttathhtu malligai thAn maNakkum" :-) listened to anthafpuram. i would
  rate it far ahead of many of the nineties stuff and close to agni natchanththram. the more i listen to
  it, the more majic i discover.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Feb 25 18:43:48 EST 1999
  
  Swami,
  
  >Just forget everything, forget all the biased
  > opinions, listen to "konji pesu kannama" from >KK, "Ilaya Nilave" and "Nandavana kuyile" from > ponnu veetukaran, "naan vakkapattu" from DG,. Look >for those interludes and they realize, how much
  that guy still has in store for us.
  
  I could'nt agree more.. I was about to write these
  and u were ahead of me.. Exactly.! On the one hand he has fans who expect only the very best ( no compromise in quality ) and the other section wanting him to score mass appealing songs.
  
  Fortunaltely or unfortunately, producers and directors are on the second group. So I guess his balance is now tilted to this side..
  
  FOr example , ALai meethu is a great song .. one of the greatest of his recent times. Now Thathom or Kaathal meethu are not so classy compositions as alaimeethu ( I like all 3 ver much ) but still diana diana is a bigger hit than alaimeethu. Especially when the competition is stiff and the grounds are unfavourable IR has to give more of these kinds of songs. Whenever I hear alaimeethu, I remeber people like Vijay and Other DF'rs who crave for the very best from IR and feel dissappointed for something less than that. And morover if kaathal kavithai had only songs like alai meethu, it would never been a hit and most people would have missed the gem. ( Forget abt people like us who would hunt for any IR album irrespective of the movie/album's commercial success).
  
  But the Fact is inspite of stiff competition, and other factors he continues to stuff every album with atleast one or 2 great ones.
  
  Ilaya Nilave is an amazing duet .. and so is Nanthavanakuyile ..( listen to the second interlude where it goes "Nallathaiye ninaikalaam Nenjaminge veretharkuu." )
  
  I am saying this again.. Pls don't miss ANthapuram songs.. they are really great !
  
  
  Cheers
  MSK
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.41) on: Thu Feb 25 19:36:06 EST 1999
  
  MSK,
  thanx for remembering us atleast when u are hearing songs like alai meethu :)
  the reason i have felt disappointed is that raja is capable of giving classy compositions that
  would ultimately be hits too. but of late he has not been doing that. i do not want all 7 songs in an album to be like alai meedhu. first of all there has to be variety and of course IR has to tune only according to situations in a given film. but if u take even the nineties i can give examples where IR has scored classy compositions for different situations that have also become hits.
  
  1. happiness - raakamma(great orchestration)
  
  2. dance- asai adhigam vechu,raasave chitherumbu(set in lathaangi raaga), melur maaman(just listen to this song in rex aruls's site)
  
  3. dream songs - plenty
  
  4. seduction - ennulle ennulle(class all over it),
  raakozhi koovum neram(a popular hit)
  
  5. sorrow- nilave mugam kaatu
  
  6. devotional type - amma endrazhaikaatha, paartha vizhi paarthapadi poothu irukka
  
  and so on....
  
  
  i have given examples from only the nineties. it is only in the last 2 years or so that IR seems to have changed , IMO. i was listening to 'nandri sollave' from udanpirappu and was surprised that in just a span of over 4 years how IR's orchestration/style has changed.
  
  even in makkalaatchi which was released as late as 1995, we have very good songs. 'ipodhenna thevai'(set in amrithavarshini, i believe) was a very good song from this film which was overlooked. so what happened to him in the last 2 years? why the increasing use of synths and hariharan's voice? IMO, both of these have made his music sound so much like ARR's.
  
  even ARR is not using hariharan that much these days. in fact he has used SPB in a song in ESK.
  so why should raja compromise on his music?
  
  why can't he score melodies with SPB,chithra like he used to do even a couple of years back. SPB's voice is still fresh and i believe he could easily sing for atleast another 4-5 years.
  
  these have generally been the reasons for my concern. also IR has been scoring for some trash films recently that does'nt befit his stature.
  at this stage in his career i think he should'nt be doing music for films like kadhal rojaave, sendhoram(most of which do not even get released)
  which don't provide him with any inspiration to give good music.
  
  even though kaadhal kavithai might not be a classic, at least u have a good director in agathiyan, nice situations in the film, good locales in london etc. factors that could have inspired IR. That he should be more selective in the future and should continue to entertain us
  as he has always done, is my fond wish.
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Feb 25 21:12:47 EST 1999
  
  Vijay !
  
  ..at this stage in his career i think he should'nt be doing music for films like kadhal rojaave, sendhoram(most of which do not even get released)
  
  I agree Vijay.. But then rumors abt his recent financial crisis kind of explains this.. (though I still I can't beleive that he is in financial straits. ).
  
  I guess as he does'nt have a good working relation with most of the ace directors now, for whatever reasons ( most of these directors are not doing good anyway ) , he is forced to sign up with mediocre guys.. One good alternative is that he could stop doing many films and focus on non-filmy albums. ( jaya jaya he is a good start, and the market is picking up for such non-filmy albums ) but then IR himself has agreed that he is not a great businessman. I agree and think that he needs a good marketing guy at this point of time.
  
  Times have changed - he shd stop relying on these
  film directors to promote his music. Look at the marketing that ARR does.. Irrespective of the songs/movie, every ARR movie is well projected(hyped) and marketed extremely well.
  
  Just take the same songs from Kaathal Kavithai ( absolutely no changes ) and release it under
  an ARR/SHankar/Kunjumon banner, it would have been much much more Successful.. would have remained in the top 10 for a long time and album sales would have been phenomenal like Jeans or Shirts .
  
  may be I am going on a tangent here.. so i'll stop!
  
  BTW, did u listen to Anthapuram.? I am sure u'll like the SJ and Chitra solo songs.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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