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New Releases by ARR??

Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.

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• From: ganesh s/o lachumanan (@ 161.142.78.82) on: Fri Aug 11 03:42:17 EDT 2000
  
  good luck
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Fri Aug 11 04:38:51 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik.,
  
  Your views are correct., But you seem to miss the exact point.
  
  Tamil is there., as great as you explained., By asking Sadhana Sargam or Sukvinder singh to sing a tamil song, Nobody can make me/any one of us disrespect the language., But Think about the next generation., Going by the popularity of this sort of songs (Thamizh therinthavarkaLkuda, theriyaatha maathri paaduvathuthaan ippoothu fashion :-( ), The next generation intha paadalkaLaik keettuthaan vaLarap pogirathu., Ithuthaan thamizh enDRu oru mudivukku avarkaL vanthu vittaal (Don't think I am joking., I sincerely beleive This can happen)., Athan viLaivu ennavaaga irukkum., Please think. Media can be Movie, Music, TV, Magazines ... anything, But the impact it creates on these is important. Looking at this angle, I feel these things - Usage of English words in Lyrics, Thamizhk kolai in singing are to be takenup seriously.
  
  I would like to quote one example here. See This week's kalki. Sometime back, one of their readers pointed out that they are using too much of English words in their Articles., They made a small poll among the readers and finally agreed to change their way as per the MakkaL theerppu.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: karthik (@ 12.10.193.123) on: Fri Aug 11 06:02:31 EDT 2000
  
  Good argument Naga...
  
  Again...I personally feel if our schools still teach us sanga ilakkiyam (i hate writing these in english but no option!), purananooru and silapathikaram, we are on the right track. These songs are just a source of harmless entertainment. They are not our source of education. Popular culture has even affected the most popular language, english, with the Oxford dictionary including words like 'yo' (for hello) in their latest version.
  
  This is a necessity grown out of demand. demand, in turn is generated by popular culture - vicious cycle. This trend has always been there. A few years back we had pure sentamizh padalgal. When Vaali and vairamuthu started using words like 'pudikuthu', 'adikuthu' with stress on 'thu', essentially a non-brahmin usage (to digress a bit, tamil has been influenced by brahminism in the early days of tamil cinema, later when anti brahmin factions like karunanidhi entered it became more colloquial/popular), there was a marginal protest!
  
  Sujata, the famed writer, tries his best to use choice tamil words to explain certain complex IT related terms in his articles. One of those fledging tamils working for it.
  
  When you have a udit and vasundara singing 'aiyo pathikichu' you also have SPB and Chitra singing 'theendai' in ESK...which even had aganaanooru verses in the beginning (if i'm right). Such instances have to be taken as a 'kaalathin kattayam'. Nothing could possibly shake the future generations' interest in tamil, or tamil usage by movie songs.
  
  Agreed, they are a chief force in determining social patterns, but as long as our tamil education flourishes, we dont have a thing to worry about. I was born in Tiruchy, brought up in tiruchy, chaas (assam), bhubaneshwar, bhopal, coimbatore and salem. Thankfully my college was in south and i forcefully choose tamil wherever i could. I enjoyed reading and learning tamil ilakkiyam, by choice.
  
  Thats what I'm trying to get across. A few movie songs are not going to reduce the inherent interest. You could have a soundtrack with 5 tanglish songs, but if you have just one single well-written, tamil song, people in tamilnadu lap it up. And last (non-tamil accent) fashions are meant to die, to induce another fashion. If another composer makes it fashionable to use senthamizh (it somehow does not gel in today's fast life!) it could trigger a fashion!
  
  karthik
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 192.135.215.21) on: Fri Aug 11 11:57:57 EDT 2000
  
  Is the CD or cassette of rythm out in US yet?If so where can I get it online?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.160.43.2) on: Fri Aug 11 12:05:33 EDT 2000
  
  karthik,
  A few simple points, I listen to only Thamizh songs among the Indian languages. If I listen to songs from other languages, it will be by accident or because I'm stuck getting a ride from a friend. And if I happen to enjoy that song it will be because I liked the singing or the tune, not the lyrics for I don't understand any other Indian language but Thamizh.
  
  This is the TFMpage which deals exclusively (at least I would like it to) with Thamizh Film Music. So if Unni Menon and SPB sing bad Hindi, go cry about it at a HFM page.
  
  That Thamizh is a great language and shouldn't be hurt by Udit is a ridiculous argument. Would you tell John Grisham that spelling mistakes are okay in his novels since it's not great literature anyway?
  
  Besides, I don't think of TFM as just songs. I have found profound poetry in hundreds of these songs. If you are someone who listens to lyrics in songs you should check out some threads here that focus on lyrics to find out the standard of writing that has existed in so many of them. TFM is my cultural heritage and if I hear clowns deride my language under the guise of national solidarity then I get really riled up.
  
  Let's get some funding and send Kollangudi Karuppayee to sing pure Urdu poetry in the name of national solidarity. I'm sure the wonderful language of Urdu (no sarcasm here, I love Urdu from having read English translations of Urdu poems) would be served well by it (okay this part is sarcastic).
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 208.237.135.12) on: Fri Aug 11 12:41:33 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik ---> ungaa argument sagikala.
  
  Udhaya ---> U've mirrored my views. God save Tamizh.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Aug 11 12:41:50 EDT 2000
  
  Any body can sing tamil as long as they dont kill the words.
  
  We still remember spb and vani (leave kollungudi)
  rejected in north because of poor pronounciation.
  
  It looks like Arr is now ruled by people from Bombay,
  When chitra, harini, sujatha is available why does he go for a singer who cannot pronounce single word properly.
  He has started to ignore south indian audience.
  This is not good going at all.
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Aug 11 12:48:26 EDT 2000
  
  adding to my statements,
  Arr is turning totally irresponsible, does not realize the impact in the long run.
  
  2 songs in Rhythm really "SAgikala"
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.160.43.2) on: Fri Aug 11 12:48:52 EDT 2000
  
  karthik,
  I want to clarify that my reference about clowns was about these singers, not you. Though I disagree with the content of your arguement, I appreciate the tone of your argument and please view mine as intent on making a point rather than putting you down.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Aug 11 14:51:33 EDT 2000
  
  Karthik : I happened to read your postings interesting!.
  
  A non-Tamil singer writes in English or hindi or his/her native language, ok, that is not a limitation. But the Pronunciation is very important. When pronouncing a word it should have exact sound and feel. This is what a language is all about!
  
  “sa re ga ma pa dha ne sa” is not sankarabaranam, though physically correct, the bhavam should be present, that gives the raga, same goes with language. When you hear Udit/S.Singh we only hear how hard they had struggled to pronounce the words, the bhavam in each syllable is totally lost, because they are busy concerting on the pronunciations.
  
  I will take a song, which I did recently
  
  “kAdal pAdai il nAdodiAai pogalAm”
  
  We experimented with few non-Tamil singers. One person had a good voice but he started of with KADAL “PADAI ‘ IL” , for the entire song we were forced to correct each and every word at least 20 times., this is a big burden apart from Shruthi correction etc, of course I can leave just as it was before, but entire meaning changes and I am not doing justification to the language., let it be Tamil or Hindi. Calling it Tamil album should be in Tamil.
  
  People like ARR (and IR too) who have good resources, who lead the industry should be responsible enough to have a quality control. IR failed in controlling lyrics.
  
  In any industry it is always “follow the leader”, now it is Arr,
  So others go for similar type of singing. They compromise themselves because “Arr does it”, This “don’t care“ attitude has to change, small mistakes are ok, but bigger goof ups cannot be tolerated -- who ever it is, IR or Arr or any other MD.
  
  There is no Tamil Patru etc. I know some songs in rhythm album were recorded couple of years ago but still it is horrible. I have argued for new singers, but this is going out of hands.
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Fri Aug 11 15:10:14 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  
  Nammaukku tamil mel patru etc are very less.
  NOM.
  As Karthik said I think all these songs
  are for entertainment purpose not for
  educational. Northies sollum
  tamil words is different than the usual ones
  ethuvum oru nice change endru rasikka vendiyathu
  thaan.(like a new exotic tune).
  Southies poi hindi lyrics ucharicha....
  northies won't like it. athunaala thaan spb
  didn't shine well in north. But we tamilians
  have accepted Udit's singing etc.
  "vantharai vaazha vaikkum panbu"-:-)
  that is why still sandan sargam, udit are
  being used in tfm.
  
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Fri Aug 11 15:54:46 EDT 2000
  
  Bug Sir,
  
  including the word "WE" is konjam jasthi illaiyao
  
  I have problem, udhaya has , many more here has problem in taking this form of poor tamil pronounciation.
  
  So the general statement as tamilians have no problem is just an illusion used by our thalaivars.
  
  You and karthik -- are the two tamilians have no problem with it.,thats all :)))
  
  belive me as i have supported arr till my last drop of blood :)) (korvai ya vandhudhu)
  offlate things are too irritating.
  
  My question is
  Why arr should use these non-tamil singers inspite of knowing they are not upto the mark
  
  Dont you think thats a blunder, knowing something is wrong and doing it because of his status. (like IR writing lyrics ::)
  
  Also we have better singers here who could not only pronounce but has nice voice,
  simply Why should he use sukuvinder singh!.
  inge enna singarka panjam, if SS is good, I welcome him, but he never improved.,
  
  and use your statement vandavari vazvaikum tamilagam , this
  depends on who is that "vandhavar"
  dont you agree with me on this
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 64.160.43.2) on: Fri Aug 11 16:12:00 EDT 2000
  
  poochchi,
  
  SPB, P.Suseelaa-vai vida vanthoarai vaazha vaikka mudiyumaa? Thamizhagam has always done that. The difference is they both took pains to render Thamizh well, whereas the new breed of non-native singers don't or are not forced to achieve that standard in pronunciation.
  
  

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