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Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Wed Dec 29 21:22:34 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth again here I am not talking about KRs ability to 'program' drum machines. I am talking about the 'kind' of sound of the drums. Many people here in these forums have commented about this. Except for early films ARR does not use thses kind of sounds anymore. It is more close to real drums (probably sampled ones). I prefer this kind of sound than some 200Hz hump with nothing below 100Hz.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.145) on: Wed Dec 29 22:36:45 EST 1999
  
  Arrangement (including the percussion) for `thavikkiren' in Time is good & pleasing...Raja's typical `soft-on-ears' stuff, though without tabla.. It sounds like pop..
  
  
• From: Subbiah (@ 202.54.34.82) on: Thu Dec 30 07:54:02 EST 1999
  
  I tried to include KN in Top 10 albums (tfmpage). But could not do so. Can anyone help pls ?
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Dec 30 10:24:22 EST 1999
  
  Subbiah, I have sent a request to comments@tfmpage.com but still no response.!!!
  Wondering why that can't be done online..instead of sending email requests.
  
  
  Cheers
  MSK
  
  
• From: s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.173) on: Thu Dec 30 11:12:38 EST 1999
  
  dear friends!
  
  Let all these recording quality and other things stand a step behind!
  
  i dont think we have to give this much importance to them(when the MD is the Maestro).Raja is one(only one!) who touches your heart not only your ears like most of other MDs.
  
  You can expect great composing not good Sound Engineering.
  
  see, if there is a bad recording you can never think ARR can survive. but Raja never need the support of them at anytime.so only he normally doesnt care about it like ARR or someothers.
  
  
  final word : "THANGA KUDATHUKKU POTTU THEVAIYELLAI"
  
  --SENTHIL
  
  
• From: MSk (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Dec 30 11:24:55 EST 1999
  
  Senthil,
  
  Though i admire your emotional statement , i guess recording quality plays a prominent part..
  
  Kiru's point is that better recording would take IR's songs to even greater heights.. That's all.
  IR's recording is not all that bad but there is definitely room for making it better and probably the best.
  
  Cheers
  MSK
  
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Thu Dec 30 11:59:06 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  Recording is like a good Handwriting while writing a exam, It is vital and important.
  50% of what rahmans has achived today is because of recording.
  tangakudams and pootus are not just sayings!, if the thangakudam is not presented well it is just a kudam!....
  my 3 (why always 2) cents saying.....
  --- all pathi adai pathi....
  
  Recordng is vital, raja recordings use to suck, but in "Time" it upto the mark.
  
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ alproxy2.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Dec 30 12:34:22 EST 1999
  
  Raja recording sucks is simply a nonsense statement.It all depends what kinda of tapes you have.I have some very good recordings of old raja songs which, given the time-technology factor have been marvellous in quality.
  Infact,when I visited chennai this year,I have recorded mid 80's raja hits on a CD and it sounds awesome.Certainly they are not digital recordings but sound balancing was perfect.Just to name a few would be "kaaki chaatai".It had some great numbers and I used to posses a junk version with a lot of noise. This time I have it on a CD and boy! it was just terrific.The bass was so evident and it did give a different feel.
  I agree that ARR has some superior sound engineers working for him and they used to devote a lot of time.Not anymore.They still have'nt been able to reproduce the same quality as Roja and "Thiruda Thiruda".I recently purchased "Mudalvan" CD and it did'nt come anywhere near "Thiruda Thiruda" quality. Mind you I play it using a high quality pro-logic with Bose speakers.The difference was apparent.ARR nowadays is'nt concentrating on quality recording as he has tonnes of movies piled up for compositions.
  I was very impressed with "thiruda thiruda" .I think it was the first "DDD(Digitaly recorded,Digitaly mastered and digitaly transfered)" album in India.Infact "sethu" was mixed at ARR's studio.
  IR's recording is perfect and I do'nt think a superior recording could have enhanced his compositions anymore than what it is right now.
  "Andhi Mazhai pozhikiradu" would have evoked the same emotions wether its digital or analog.
  
  
• From: Kumar musician (@ 202.188.135.207) on: Thu Dec 30 12:41:42 EST 1999
  
  Anand mahadevan Is that true "sethu" was mixed at ARR's studio.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Dec 30 13:47:37 EST 1999
  
  Have you heard dharmathin thalaivan/kizhakku vAsal/kshatriyan cd on oriental records ?
  Marvellous recording.
  
  ARR's ESK is probably the best Tamil CD i have heard so far.
  The Jeans/KK/uyirOdu uriyAga sucks big time. (as also mr.romeo+additionall junk cd.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Thu Dec 30 13:48:08 EST 1999
  
  Anand: I just have all the original Echo,inreco etc etc Lps/tapes, and ofcourse original sounds tracks direclty from studios and couple hundreds of CD's....I do not priate by recording it from Shops, hope you are clear.
  Basically the final product -- Echo or HMV use a very substd tape, the qulity is totally lost,
  
  "IR's recording is perfect and I do'nt think a superior recording could have enhanced his compositions anymore than what it is right now"
  ---- why this statement, we are not discussing abou this musical abilities?,
  
  I/We can enjoy the song even with a 2 cent transitor. To make people to listen in the international arena , recording is important, balancing of raja songs has not reached these heights yet.
  
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Dec 30 13:51:23 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth :
  HMV and AVM have the worst tape quality.
  Echo is much better.
  
  Of course this has nothing to do with IR but with music distribution companies. Nowadays Star Music, Pyramid have very good quality tapes.
  
  I feel Hindi music companies such as Venus, Tips do a better job.
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ alproxy1.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Dec 30 14:43:07 EST 1999
  
  Kumar musician:
  Yes ."sethu" was mixed at ARR's studio.Its stated on the cassette cover.
  
  Srikanth:I do agree that recording is important but again where do you draw the line.Raja's recording is good and appropriate.His compositions were not targetted for folks above the vindhyas.Its not that tamilians do'nt deserve high quality recording but there is also the commercial element involved.
  I have "how to name it" and "Nothing but wind " on CD and its evident that they have really worked on quality recording.
  But for movies and that too for someone doing 40-50 movies a year he can'nt spend time on quality recording . The bottomline is that it has to be clear and well balanced(again this is relative).Balancing is an art by itself and the composer calls the shot in terms of frequency adjustment.
  
  
  Anand
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ alproxy1.proxy.lucent.com) on: Thu Dec 30 14:45:06 EST 1999
  
  Kumar musician:
  Yes ."sethu" was mixed at ARR's studio.Its stated on the cassette cover.
  
  Srikanth:I do agree that recording is important but again where do you draw the line.Raja's recording is good and appropriate.His compositions were not targetted for folks above the vindhyas.Its not that tamilians do'nt deserve high quality recording but there is also the commercial element involved.
  I have "how to name it" and "Nothing but wind " on CD and its evident that they have really worked on quality recording.
  But for movies and that too for someone doing 40-50 movies a year he can'nt spend time on quality recording . The bottomline is that it has to be clear and well balanced(again this is relative).Balancing is an art by itself and the composer calls the shot in terms of frequency adjustment.
  
  
  Anand
  
  
• From: ¶Visiri (@ bonobo.tesserae.com) on: Thu Dec 30 14:48:32 EST 1999
  
  

  About Pyramid cassettes, they do not make with good quality for all the albums... may be depends upon the banner.... but unfortunately most of recent IR albums fall under this category….! Money money and money makes all the diff!J I wish Adithyan to work for IR, what a great Creative Sound Engineer!!B

  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Thu Dec 30 15:27:15 EST 1999
  
  Yes, 'kAkki chattAi' has some very good drum playing (Sivamani ??). After I upgraded my audio system I am getting a very good bass even with monitor speakers and no subwoofer. But the drum sounds are not recordred as well as say Dire Straits or U2. I learn that recording drums is not very easy. That is the reason why people were after building electronic drum machines. Especially, for beats which do not change much during the course of the song. Still, like Anand and pg have mentioned some old albums of IR have been recorded well. I prefer these over the new albums.
  That is why my major complaint is with the new ones.
  
  I found if you have a DVD player and good speakers adding an external DAC improves the sound a lot. Some of you guys should give it a try.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Thu Dec 30 15:34:51 EST 1999
  
  Anand,
  One could have good recording irrespective of the work load. Its only the mixing and mastering which will take more time. For eg, when I gave some IR CD to a studio in Canada for opinion they noticed that even the voices have been distorted. They said it could be from the mic/preamp. Basically before it reached the recorder. Also, while mixing noise could have been added from an idle channel.
  
  Once the sound engineers know IRs style I am sure they can mix without intervention from IR. He can just review the mix later.
  
  But the basic thing is - you should have good venue acoustics, microphones, cables, quite powersupply and good recording mechanisms.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 216.32.18.74) on: Thu Dec 30 15:43:40 EST 1999
  
  Enough of Arguments! for this century, let me talk some sense now!...
  
  Anand : Each song composed by a composer is like his kid, he should make sure the kid comes out or grows up well.
  
  Raja recording was by far better than others but it did not improve after a stage., It did not grow up with the technology.
  
  Pg: you are right, hindi songs are well recorded (only the recording!...), my concern or feelings in this issue is when a junk is being recorded properly why not the real piece of art get that attention,
  
  In Indian music senario,
  The argument is poor and so called composers cannot or will not survive for long if they dont have good recording, but composers like raja, msv, sdb, rdb will surive and has survied even with poor recordings, just for the reson they are better composers,
  but in a world scnerio, they have to come up to the std, else junk music will just topple them., That is what is happening now to tfm.
  
  

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