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ARR and IR the only trendsetters in TFM in the last 25 years

Topic started by Arjuna (@ 137.73.8.176) on Fri May 16 09:26:38 EDT 2003.
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ARR was a trend setter..All the other music directors other than IR did nothing new!! They are just following the footsteps of IR and ARR..ARR need not waste his time on films that are cheap and he is concentrating on better films in Hindi..It is quite funny when u ppl say HJ,YSR are better than the great ARR..ARR has gone into the history books..The other music directors will be forgotten!!Even during the time,when IR was at this peak, MDs like Shankar ganesh and Chandrabose were hyped so much to be the best..But look at them now..they are no where to be seen..IR and ARR are the only music directors whom the tfm industry will remember in the next 25 years and more!!ARR is GOD!!

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• From: Shadotcom (@ 203.117.33.25) on: Sun May 25 04:38:58 EDT 2003
  
  Curses,
  
  "Sivaji Ganesan did not go around acting as a teenager in love did he?"
  
  Ya, that is what i am also telling you. Illayaraja is doing what he knows. He is not changing his beat and melody to suit the current attraction.
  
  "National awards:
  IR - 3 in 25 yrs.
  ARR - 3 in 11 yrs."
  
  All this nonsense. National awards are something more to North Indian interest. They choose what they feel. ARR's music more like western style and it easily attracts them. I am shocked how IR had three awards?
  
  Curses, can you tell me a ARR movie which ran because of his excellent songs. There is only about 30% of his movies are successful. There are successful becuase of good direction and story but not because of songs of ARR. Even few musicians right now have proved their music to make a movie successful even the story is not that good and they are Gemini, Run,etc
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sun May 25 09:53:13 EDT 2003
  
  hello vatsala IF someone copying arr;s music doesnt means arr is not copying.. there are soo many songs he copied.. that has been discussed in this same thread.. u r entering here so late and asking us to discuss the same thing again and again. if u want go back and look at in archives.. arr is a copy king.. deva is copying. everyboday noes that.. because he doesnt bother to hide his copying. arr works hard to hide his copying. r u telling us ir never did any experiments?? no in in tfm did more experiments than IR did. in parasuram arr told there is no experiments and its a pure commercial movie. but still the songs got flopped. but arr fans claimed that he experimented the songs. funny.. if arr's songs getting floped that means its because NEW Type of music, experiments, new instruments etc etc.. b4 u enter into a thread go to archives and have a look what has been discussed. sari PUSSsya shave panitiya???? po.. mothalla atha sei dee dich!!!
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Sun May 25 10:05:32 EDT 2003
  
  IN 1992 ARR entered to tfm. roja is a hit. that doesnt means arr took it over from IR. IN tfm a composer accepted as the leading composer only when he started to compose music to leading actors. even though arr's music was hit, still leading actors went with IR for their movies. then after 1994 only arr took it over from IR
  
  
• From: m (@ 202.185.65.41) on: Sun May 25 10:49:56 EDT 2003
  
  ARR produced easily the first cross-lingual and pan-indian album in tfm history when he delivered 'roja'. he took over from IR . ihave no doubt about this. after that, he stamped his class over indian music.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Sun May 25 16:20:36 EDT 2003
  
  m...
  sadma(moonaram pirai) was also a huge hit in hindi/tamil/telugu. so Roja wasn't the first cross-over.
  sadma was not the first either.
  
  What "class" of ARR are you talking about? Is Roja as classy as Sindhu Bhairavi or Alaigal Ovithillai?
  I would like to know what is the kind of trend that ARR has contributed in his stay in FM. Is it something others can follow? or Is it something not done anywhere in the world ? I am at a loss to know. He has given good music, but trend setting?
  Can you listen to a random song and tell if it's an ARR song? IR's songs have a stamp of class, perfect musical arrangement and multiple layered melodies that immediately tell a listener that it is an IR's song.
  What is ARR's style and trend ? please clarify with examples.
  
  Also, just because north indians listen to ARR's music more often doesn't automatically make it better than anyone else's in the south (eg VS, YSR, HJ, KVM, MSV etc ). Sankarabharanam or Salangai Oli may not (in fact are not) be popular in the North. But every music lover knows what they are worth. Good songs are always good irrespective of who listens to them most and in what language they are.
  
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: someone (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sun May 25 17:19:26 EDT 2003
  
  ARR is No.1 incapable and useless fellow.
  
  He could not even balance TFM and hindi music.Atleast one or two movie he does for an year.
  
  See it doesn't meant that IR could not make hit in hindi movie.He got many offer and simply rejected.Because he want to make TFM strenghthy.Look at the past in tamil and telugu how he balanced.
  Don't feel proud with ARR's hindi movie.IR could have been that simply long ago.
  If IR be a selfish like that useless ARR he could have been simply made hit in hindi.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.148.157) on: Sun May 25 22:39:54 EDT 2003
  
  "Can you listen to a random song and tell if it's an ARR song?"
  ofcourse yes...the thing is twud be a more tougher task coz the present MDs are just using ARR style...they arent taking care to be different like ARR did when he came into the field
  
  someone,
  ARR selfish? y?
  there are a trillion ways of looking at things....u say that IR din go do Hindi films coz he wanted to make TFM healthy...but did u realise that he would have been in a struggle to make his mark in both the fields and satisfy both the groups?...so IR is incapable!
  i know that the above para is total rubbish......i have a belief in the proverb "mulla mullaala thaan edukkanum" :-) ... naalu perukku nallathu seyyanumna ethuvumey thappilley ma!!
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 202.156.2.59) on: Sun May 25 23:18:32 EDT 2003
  
  During talentine such as Sabthasorangal, the competitors are singing more Illayaraja songs than ARR. This is already proved that IR has variety of melodies and the tunes and composing are in quality manners.
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 202.156.2.59) on: Sun May 25 23:20:57 EDT 2003
  
  IR is still the superstar of Music until 1994. If not Superstars like Rajini, Kamal, Vijayakanth, etc would not have used in him continously until 1994. After 1995, i can see the change.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Sun May 25 23:59:23 EDT 2003
  
  There is a more fact based version as to why IR did not go into Hindi. When he gave music to Mahadev, the producers used a second MD for the background music as was(is) the norm in Hindi movie making, without consulting IR. IR found this quite insulting as it would have been acceptable to him if the producers had consulted him first before going ahead with re-recording. He then quit making music for Hindi movies as a protest against such practices as hindi movie makers hardly recognize the value of great BGMs. Only recently he has ventured back into Hindi movies, but only to do BGM (Lajja).
  
  shadotcom:
  I don't think IR has lowered the quality of his music after 94, avatharam is a great example and so is sethu in 2000(after 6years).
  
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Mon May 26 00:23:11 EDT 2003
  
  IR's quality hasn't been lowered. It's just that some ppl's quality has been lowered.
  
  
• From: Shadotcom (@ 202.156.2.59) on: Mon May 26 02:18:47 EDT 2003
  
  Jag and Ambleen,
  
  Yes true that IR quality has not reduced. There are many films he had given some wonderful songs from 1995 to up to date. To name few Sathililavathi,Ellama En Rasathan, Etupati Rasa, Kathaluku Mariyathai, Kathal Kavithai, Seethu, Kanukul Nilavau, Hey Ram, Friends, Azhaki, Solla Marantha Kathai, etc
  
  The above clearly shows that Illayaraja is cabable of doing excellent songs like before. The people are enjoying his music too. But why is he not giving excellent songs for all the movies like in 80's and early 90's?
  
  
• From: true (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Mon May 26 11:55:29 EDT 2003
  
  You forgot to include KASI.It was a mega hit.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.139.88) on: Mon May 26 13:33:21 EDT 2003
  
  Whether Roja is as classy as other great movies before it is a matter of debate, depending to a large extent on the musical taste of the individual. Just as music of the eighties catered to the common man's musical taste in that decade, the music of the Rahman era (early, mid, and late nineties) catered to a new generation of music listeners in a major way, and its success is, arguably, more a reflection of a gradual change in peoples' tastes. That there was a change cannot be argued, only as to whether it was for the better, which time will provide the answer. In the meantime, it is idle to pretend that Rahman's music is not trend-setting by comparing it with past great hits and thereby downplaying its impact in the nineties. Make no mistake, IR is a legend, and it would be extremely hard to find someone like him for several more years. However, his best is probably behind him and this in no way should be taken as an insult to his genius; indeed it is a reflection of that saying in Tamil: "pazhaiyana kazhidal-um pudhiyana pugudhal-um ...". I have been crazy over MSV's (and to some extent KVM's)music in the seventies, loved IR's terrific (and breathtaking) music in the eighties, and have enjoyed ARR's music in the nineties. ARR himself, in my opinion, has been inspired by Maestro. In the same way the current crop of VS/HJ/YSR seem to have taken over from ARR lately. In that sense it is indeed reasonable to call IR and ARR as trendsetters in TFM. We should also not forget KR who, in my opinion, is eminently capable of giving mindblowing tunes.
  
  

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