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Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Dec 26 14:38:14 EST 1999
  
  Vijay,
  I told the same thing some time ago and got trashed!....msk/kiru went on saying as of today any one can become a music director with a casio kb..I got irritated and ask them try it.
  
  Sethu story wise it a great movie (I GOT this info from many in madras), they went on saying no one has the right to tell that raja should concentrate more...raja wasted 9 songs!.. big blunder.
  
  I saw tajmahal yesterday, totally nothing!, but still because of songs the movie is going well!..
  though Br tries something new..nothing works out.
  But it went up because of the songs, some what it is catachy to majority.m I felt Manoj is great find, acts pretty naturally and has a good future.
  
  I do know why it was named as tajmahal, it can be even named as kutub minar, nothing would have changed.
  
  finally, coming back to subject;
  Raja should concentrate more...on this songs.
  BGM is like tamil second paper , it is important has Ilakanam and other tamil fundas, but still marks count only if you pass in paper one.
  
  
  
• From: suren (@ proxy.mcmail.com) on: Sun Dec 26 15:01:23 EST 1999
  
  I thought srikanth was supposed to have listened to Kannukkul Nilavu before replying to Suresh, I mean by indirectly replying to vijay...mmmm
  
  
• From: suren (@ proxy.mcmail.com) on: Sun Dec 26 15:08:32 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth: Probably you are the only one who,s telling that Tajmahal is going well....?????!!!!!.Have u seen Nadodi Thenral... well..sangamam.You sound bit frustrated.Is it because IR has been praised after a long time for Sethu or you just can`t digest the fact that the movie is doing well even with ordinary songs..well take it .. If you want it IMHO
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ dublin13.slip.yorku.ca) on: Sun Dec 26 15:37:41 EST 1999
  
  Why do people tend to bash Srikanth even when he makes a honest posting? Is it because he won't unnecessarily praise IR like others?
  
  Raja should concentrate on his songs more. Everyone knows that his BGM is usually real good. But nobody pays exclusively for the BGM, like we do for a CD. We get to see the film and if the quality of the film is good, then BGM is just a bonus, if it's good. But we don't repeatedly watch the same movie. Not like listening to songs. Honestly, I for one don't care at all for how great his BGM's are if he gives lousy songs for the same movie. And by the way, regarding the 'anyone who can play a keyboard is considered a musician' question, well, if that person can come up with more appealing songs then some genius who doesn't live upto potential, then the money is worth putting on the former.
  
  Suren
  If you don't mind, I would like to answer the last question. Lots of movies have run well with ordinary songs. IR didn't get praised for his songs, just for the BGM. It's not going to be the shock of the world if a film runs with ordinary songs. Sethu is running for its story quality. If it did not have that and had relied on IR's songs to boast it up, it would have left the theatre as soon as it came. On the other hand, the only reason 'Tajmahal' even ran for as long as it did is because of the songs. There is nothing more in that movie that is appealing.
  
  This is all IMHO as well.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Dec 26 16:41:40 EST 1999
  
  Suren , I dont get you.
  
  "you just can`t digest the fact that the movie is doing well even with ordinary songs"
  --- Sethu is doing well for its story, not for the songs, so what?, I am more worried about Raja's performace with the songs.
  Many told here that raja needs a good story, director to make a come back, he had it and failed to exploit it, Wasted all the 9 songs.
  
  IMO : He should have given more attention to the songs,
  
  Bascially I posted to tell vijay about his point, I told same what he told few weeks ago and got trashed.
  
  Regarding Tajmahal, I already added a word majority! likes the songs!....it not just u and me. -- in fact in tfm page, tajmahal is rated higher than any songs, simply why sethu did come up.
  
  Come on man, raja can do it, simply he is not concentrating.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Dec 26 16:48:27 EST 1999
  
  and about KANNUKKUL NILAVU , I will get hold of it, hope it is not another sethu. I am for good music, when I reviewed "time" songs, since it was a happy ending...things went smooth. But when I reviewed about sethu's song, I was slightly hard on raja due to poor performance --- I became a villian.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Sun Dec 26 21:27:29 EST 1999
  
  hey hold it .I didnt say anybody with a keyboard can become a music director. Only implied that they think so. I wouldnt say that even though there are lot of people with questionable musical abilities as music directors.
  
  And Srikanth you have too much pity for yourself or too much pity for IR which he does not need.
  
  I dont care if you criticize IR. But I find it funny that you should start advising him on what to do.
  The guy likes to do BGM because he does not have to write something to a format. There is no pressure here and he has fun doing it. When it comes to songs, there are constraints. He has also done enough of them. Also, he does not have to compete. Been there done that. He will do as he likes it. Surely some 30% of it will become classy material. I will be quite happy with that output. And one important thing about his music. 100% original !!!
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Dec 26 22:00:15 EST 1999
  
  There are some contraints doing a song?, what are those. Why can he analyze and do it properly.
  if you say He has done enough..is there a saturation point for him!, then he should stop instead of producing junk.
  
  kiru:
  then pity for myself and too much pity of raja ---
  
  I am not going to gain anything by being pity here, most of us in the df have not seen each other...and we dont know each other's personal life, what I am going to gain from self pity.
  here ---- zip!...
  
  Secondly Raja does not require my pity.
  
  thirdly giving an advice to raja, yes, someone must go and tell him to do the songs well,
  
  EPPORUL YAAR YAAR VAI KETPIN APPORUL MEI PORUL KANBADHU ARIVU.. Sure raja can take advice from his fans, after all we only made him great.
  
  
• From: S (@ netcache31.mot.com) on: Mon Dec 27 03:46:34 EST 1999
  
  One of my friends in madras has seen the movie sethu and his comment was that the songs were apt for the situation and I know he's unbiased.....IMO, the songs shud fit the movie well and not the other way..... and srikanth, FYI, "dhAjmagAL" (as BR puts it) is a MAJOR flop !!!
  
  I can't imagine a group of village guys singing "howwa..howwa..elE howwa"(the second interlude of thiruppAchi aruvALa ) and it's abso stupidity seeing such things....I was cursing Raja for having sung all the songs in avathAram when the album was released and I realised the reason when the movie was released....Had it been any other MD i wud've seen yesudas singing "thenral vandhu theeNdum bOdhu" and u know how KJY's voice matches nasser...He can concentrate on songs only when the movie has some scope...GURU had...he did...KM had....he did....
  
  I don't want Raja to make TMS sing for amitabh bachchan if that wud make the song a hit...there r some people who wud do any such combo to make a song hit...
  
  One can as well release albums if u just want songs to be hit like piyush soni or baba sehgal or bhupi...
  
  >>after all we only made him great.<<
  
  he was great always. we just made him popular...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.129) on: Mon Dec 27 04:48:08 EST 1999
  
  There seems to be a lot of controversy (censor related) in releasing HR. There's a report in Kumudham..anyone who has seen Kamal's interview yesterday in some satellite channel (I think JayaTV..I only saw the ad for this program) may please post as to whether there was any reference as to when the album will be released...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.129) on: Mon Dec 27 04:48:40 EST 1999
  
  There seems to be a lot of controversy (censor related) in releasing HR. There's a report in Kumudham..anyone who has seen Kamal's interview yesterday in some satellite channel (I think JayaTV..I only saw the ad for this program) may please post as to whether there was any reference to the release of the music album ...
  
  
• From: Subbiah (@ 202.54.34.82) on: Mon Dec 27 04:52:52 EST 1999
  
  Srikanth :
  
  I am pained - I think you going a bit too far when you say that you/we have only made Ilayaraja a great.
  
  Even if we have not recognized Ilayaraja, his greatness/talent would not have vanished. I mean, our appreciation can give him fame and money - not the reason for it - the talent - his greatness.
  
  Anyway I can feel your concern in the other points - that Ilayaraja should concentrate in his songs. Still greatness is not directly proportional to the cassette/CD sales.
  
  ARR is giving good quality recording - sounds great. People have got used his sounds now. Ilayaraja's song recording / mixing is not too good comparatively. If you look at the music content - he is definitely superior. Anyone who is trying to reproduce the composition of ARR song / IR's song can easily acknowledge what I am meaning here.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.56.250.57) on: Mon Dec 27 11:40:03 EST 1999
  
  perhaps it's apt to quote Fazil here:
  (may have been quoted earlier; if so, mannitharulga)
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  when confronted as to why he stuck to IR for kannukkul nilavu also, and not ARR
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  "... dhyanathale udambum, manasum, laesagaradhukkum, boathaiyil thalai sutharathukkum vithyaasam irukku. ... oru naanal pudharla shalini odinaa, antha unarvu mattum enakku isaiyil vandha podhum. adhu thaan nijam. or periya eucalyptus kaattil kaathadikkara unarvu enakku thevaiyillai. so i prefer ilaiyaraaja." -
  interview in KUMUDAM, 16.12.99
  
  no doubt, sethu songs could've been better.. but, still... and to say tajmahal's doing better b'cos of the songs :(((
  
  
• From: Krish (@ 220.philadelphia-11-12rs.pa.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon Dec 27 11:52:46 EST 1999
  
  Also the question of the majority liking songs such as taj mahal does not matter. In fact, an overwhelming majority of people in TN voted for MGR repeatedly (once when he could'nt even talk)..that did'nt and will never make me even acknowledge he was worth being a CM...same with Jayalalitha and Indira Gandhi..but the majority always voted for them. so the majority of people likng the songs of a movie or cassette or Cd sales does not necessarily speak to the quality of the songs. Well, if that is what is important in judging a MD in someone else's opinion, so be it. But, do not immediately cast aspersions on the Ir fans who are not concerned about it.
  
  If you go back to the discussion of Sethu songs, there were a few who said they did not like the songs. There were others including me who loved the songs from Sethu. The problem was that people like Srikanth and others who did not like Sethu songs immediately started casting those who liked the Sethu songs as the hard core Ir fan who are biased and say they like it just for the sake of liking it.
  
  think about it...the discussion is now reduced to the fact that only if Srikanth and others like the songs, you have the right to say you like these songs..other wise you are a novice music listener who just say you like these songs blindly. I remember a similar discusssion about Poonthottam and Dharma songs a year ago..if the Srikanths of the worlds dont like the songs, then the others do not have the right to like, much less, appreciate the songs. I have to think that the fact that different groups of consumers have different tastes has still not reached the masses. I have listened to a lot of songs of ARR where the "majority" could never stop showering their appreciations like the songs from Jean (especially Kannodu Kanbathellam song)...and i would wonder "chee...indha pattaiya poi ippadi thala mela vechindu addaranga"...But that is my opinion..I dont go around chastising all the others who like the song..
  
  All of us have our biases when we like something or someone or someone's music. That plays a major role in how we perceive different objects including music. Even when you see the different postings, even before reading the posting you can always guess what the bias in the postings will be...there are us who you may call the HCIRF (which is a title I am very very proud of) for whom IR and his music has been and is such a great part of our life and gives us unabounded pleasure. Then there are those who have been great fans of MSV who have been deeply hurt by IR's eclipsing of MSV..they seem to be the ones now the harshest (in terms of the language used) critics of IR and wouldnt miss a beat to announce his demise to the world...they also fall in to one of the segments of ARR fans...Then you have a group of new generation of tamil music listeners, who like being accepeted by Hindi music listereners and being labeled as westernized, who form a major segment of ARR fans..then you have people who are friends or know friends of music directors....So if you look at the beliefs and values of the istening audience, there are biases formed based on your beliefs and values.
  
  So when I listened to Sethu songs, I marvelled at the variety, the composition of the songs especially "malayil" and the IR sung song, the way that IR was bold enough to not stick to the norms and compose a song like "kanakarunguile", the brilliance of "Ninaichu Nianaichu" song. I can easily empathize with the group that wants to be accpeted by whole of India or being recognized as westernized being turned off by songs such as "kanakarunguiyle" and "Sethuvukku" songs. There are others who dont like the songs because of the lyrics. I like songs for their compositions and their brilliance...There is a group in India who like songs just based on the beats.
  
  The bottom line is Srikanth, Vijay and others, you are absolutely right in writing your opinion about Sethu's songs..At the same time, so are the others who write their opinions liking Sethu's songs. In my opinion, it does not make any difference whether you have composed a few songs of your own or you can discussusic technically because one's opinions are always made of bias.
  
  So, if you do not like Sethu songs..dont buy it, dont listen to it..dont buy Raja's next album..I got only the cassette of sethu..I plan to buy the CD and look forward to buying all of Raja's next albums.
  
  Just to set the balance right (if Raja is to read these postings), please do not quit doing more songs..I consider your songs of a very superior quality..and keep coming up with great songs!
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Mon Dec 27 13:00:31 EST 1999
  
  
  Well said Krish !!!
  
  Cheers
  MSK
  
  

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