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- From: Murugan (@ )
on: Fri Oct 6 08:46:12 EDT 2000
Kanna DAsan VS Vaira Muthu
Imm..? This is too much.. I can't tolerate this stupidity... Hello Friends...
Kannan Dasan ( Lord Kannan Dasan)--- Malai ( The Mountain)
Vaira Muthu (Diamond ---) - Madu ..( Siru malai)
But, I amn't underestimate vairam... Anyway. He is ok. Now he is king in Tamil field. But for ever,Kanna dasan is the supreme or The EMPIRE in Tamil Film ARena...
Bye friends...
- From: M.SAMPATH KUMAR (@ )
on: Sun Nov 26 13:40:12 EST 2000
enimal avadhu yarum kaviarsu kannadasan udan thiru.vairamuthu avargalai sari samam agha ninaikavendam. ean entral avar oru mahanathi pol ivar oru sirunathi pol. anal mariyadhai enru naamkodukkumbhodhu muthalil kaviarasu kannadasan avargalaithan naam ninaikkurom. aagaiyal endrum intha mannulagam mattrum senthamizhil irukkumvarai avar pughazhal nilaikkum. NANRYYYYYYY VANAKKAM
VALGHA THAMIZHIL VALARGHA THAMIZHIL.
- From: M.SAMPATH KUMAR (@ 202.144.106.14)
on: Sun Nov 26 13:50:25 EST 2000
enimal avadhu yarum kaviarasu kannadasan udan thiru.vairamuthu avargalai sari samam agha ninaikavendam. iean entral avar oru mahanathi pol ivar oru sirunathi pol. anal mariyadhai enru naamkodukkumbhodhu muthalil kaviarasu kannadasan avargalaithan naam ninaikkurom. aagaiyal endrum intha mannulagam mattrum senthamizhil irukkumvarai avar pughazhal nilaikkum. NANRYYYYYYY VANAKKAM
VALGHA THAMIZHIL VALARGHA THAMIZHIL.
- From: karthi (@ 63.15.178.28)
on: Sun Nov 26 16:25:55 EST 2000
gatsby!
puthithai pirantha ratha roja
boomi thodaa pillaiyim paatham...
-- enna artham?
- From: Gounalane (@ )
on: Wed Dec 13 14:17:31 EST 2000
In my view i think Vairamuthu is an unvaluable
asset to tamil film. His imagination power is
un commentable.Those who read his books would
appreciate this better.
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Wed Dec 13 15:01:07 EST 2000
Gounalane,
Vairamuthu is no match for Kannadasan or even Vaali. Forget it
- From: sk (@ 137.132.2.109)
on: Wed Dec 13 20:00:56 EST 2000
unvaluable and un commentable??
What do these mean?
- From: mani (@ 165.21.83.240)
on: Wed Dec 13 23:35:37 EST 2000
karthi:
puthithai pirantha ratha roja
boomi thodaa pillaiyim paatham...
one of the good songs by VM.
the above lines, highlights the redness in these items.....
really a nice comparison...
- From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.85)
on: Thu Dec 14 00:17:17 EST 2000
Sorry to say, VM uses this phrase "ratha roja"
already in the 'Thanga Magan Indru', but in another form, from the movie Batcha.
<< Listen again >>....
Thus, repeating is another technique for VM. It's just us who fail to detect it. Thanx.
- From: Krishnan (@ 192.135.244.69)
on: Thu Dec 14 04:43:42 EST 2000
VM is very much overrated person.
- From: vm_fan (@ 160.231.1.20)
on: Thu Dec 14 04:44:57 EST 2000
Vairamuthu is a step ahead of Kannadasan.
He has written more songs than Kannadasan.
He has written more books than Kannadasan.
He has written more articles than Kannadasan.
he has been awarded the title this year as
"Kavi pErarasu" where as Kannadasan is only
"Kavi arasu".
And Vairamuthu is still keep going and going pretty good and getting better movie after movie.
Kannadasan was good but overall accomplishment-wise Vairamuthu has surpassed Kannadasan.
- From: SM (@ 63.101.96.1)
on: Thu Dec 14 14:01:12 EST 2000
I've noted some repetition in VM's songs too. In "Ratchagan", the "chandiranai" song has the following lines - "thIppandham pOndravan nAn dhIbam endru mAtrivittAi". In "Rhythm", the "pathikkichu" song goes like this "dhIbam pOlE irundhavaL nAn, thIppandhamAi enai mAtrivittAi". Kavignar has just switched roles but the same imagination nevertheless.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Thu Dec 14 15:16:49 EST 2000
SM,
I think these kinds of (re)use is quite common.Even vaali has done it.
In "Thalapathi" in "Sundari" one of the charanam
"Vaarangalum maatham aagum neeyum naanum neenginaal
maathangalum vaaram aagum naan un marbil thoonginal"
In Kaadhal desham in "enai kaanavillaye" in one of the charanam
"Varushangal ovvondrum nimishangal aagum nee entahan pakkam vandhale
nimishangal ovvondrum varushangal aagum nee ennai neengi chendrale"
Vaaram:maatham::nimisham:varusham
The exaggeration of polarities between union and separation has magnified over time.Next I'm expecting nodi and nootrandu in the same vein.
I don't know where this is going to end.-)
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Thu Dec 14 16:29:17 EST 2000
VM_FAN,
VM has written more junk songs than Kannadasan. So, it does not make him better than Kannadasan.
Let me quote some absurdities of VM's lyrics.
1. Enthan Thayin Karbam Thandi, Marumurai Uyir Kondem -- Sangaman, Muthal Murai Killi
2. Jothi Epadi, Jothiyai Erikum -- Sangaman, Margazhi Thingal
3. Thanneeril Nirkum Pothe Verkinrathu -- Andhimazhai Pozhigirathu (He may further go like, Ice Kattiku Verkutu, Nerrupukku Kullir Adikudhu)
4. Telephone Mani Pol Siripaval -- Indian, (Can you imagine a girl laughing like Telephone Bell)
...
- From: not_vm_fan_but_this_sort_of_makes_sense (@ 216.34.244.106)
on: Thu Dec 14 17:21:04 EST 2000
female: Kalai endra jothiyil kathalai erripathu sariyaa etc. etc.
male: Nam kathal jyothi kalayin jyothi kalaimagal magale vaa vaa. Jyothi eppadi Jyothiyai erikkum etc. etc.
that is since both our love and the artform we practice are akin to jyothis how can one hurt the other.
makes perfect sense to me.
- From: whoami (@ 216.170.146.149)
on: Thu Dec 14 23:35:18 EST 2000
Dorai,
you cant comment on these topics coz u cant understand even these lyrics and moreover u call them absurdities.
What is wrong in Telephone manipol siripaval ivalaa- u can get various ring tones in all cell phones, i've heard people recording songs like 'pachai nirame' in their cell phones. This just shows the genius of vairamuthu as a visionary!
- From: Mani (@ 165.21.83.240)
on: Fri Dec 15 01:20:34 EST 2000
whoami,
its the tune that people are recording, not the
"pachai nirame". VM has just put in words for
the tune of ARR, if that makes him a visionary,
what one can say about that?
- From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.85)
on: Fri Dec 15 03:45:55 EST 2000
SM endrum Vazgha...correcta sonniga!
Ratchagan & Rhtym has the similarities for that particular verse/song.
- From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130)
on: Mon Dec 18 11:36:06 EST 2000
Who am I,
I don't deny that you can program any tune in your cell phone. But, Till-date I have never seen any female laughing like a telephone bell. Thats total absurdity on the part of VM.
- From: uvamaipiriyan (@ 216.34.244.106)
on: Mon Dec 18 13:48:49 EST 2000
so can i take it that you have seen a female with hips like a creeper plant, a female like spring-time, a female like a pigeon etc. etc??
Its all part of the uvamai game which is part and parcel of poetry (recall poiyillae piranthu poiyillae valarntha pulavar perumaane). What you are doing is ordering sukka varuval in udupi hotel:-)
- From: whoami (@ 144.92.44.76)
on: Mon Dec 18 14:50:31 EST 2000
Dorai,
You've got my argument wrong. Its the otherway round! You can program a telephone bell to laugh like a female!!.
- From: hihi :-) (@ 15.255.104.11)
on: Mon Dec 18 14:53:17 EST 2000
u.p. avargaLE, what about women like deer, yellow sparrow, maina and men like bull etc :)))
- From: uvamaipiriyan (@ 216.34.244.103)
on: Mon Dec 18 17:34:22 EST 2000
hihi:-):-)
I have seen females like rakshashi though:-)
- From: jest for fun (@ 202.144.64.4)
on: Mon Dec 18 22:35:54 EST 2000
yAru, unga `sahadharmini'yA?:-))
- From: kappian (@ )
on: Fri Jan 26 17:24:26 EST 2001
hi all,
don't underextimate either of them...many people said like we can't compare VM with KD.
it is not true. VM style is different than KD.
VM also writes many nice songs and more than that he wrote very nice 'avithai thohuppu'. just read it u people will know abt him.ex..indha pookal virpanaikalla,indha kulathil kal erindhavarhal,kavirajan kathai..etc...
both are great poets standing on same heights....
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.40)
on: Fri Jan 26 23:49:16 EST 2001
KD and VM comparison:
1. VM is considered to the best among existing kavingnars. KD was the best those days.
2. VM's words are more from his mouth; KD's words are from the heart. Words from mouth can touch your ears and Words from heart can penetrate till your heart.
3. VM, Kasukkaga kandathyum paadum. KD kaasukkaga, than vazhvil kandathai mattume paadum.
(Vaali sonnar, Kasukkaga Vaal aatum Naai Naan)
4. VM, Kathal kavithaigal; KD, Kathaludan, Thathuvamum Pozhiyum.
5. VM, Vaalvukkaga kavithai Paadugiraan. KD, than valvinileye kavithyai kandaan.
6. VM, arivu kavignan; KD, anubava kavignan.
6. VM oru Uruvaga Kavignan; KD, oru Unmai kavignan.
KD-yum, VM-yum oppida mudiyathu!!
- From: udaans. (@ 194.127.2.7)
on: Fri Feb 2 08:28:37 EST 2001
fliflo,
KD was not only the best those days. He is THE best ever in Tamil Music. VM writes very good poems but for FM KD is the best..
- From: BPS (@ 38.32.76.188)
on: Fri Feb 2 20:38:54 EST 2001
Hi,
I am the webmaster of the official Sirkali Home Page. This is to inform fans of Drs. Sirkali that the web address has changed from
http://www.icdc.com/~sirkali (or w3)
to
http://www.sirkali.org
Please change your bookmarks to point to this new link.
Thank You very much,
Balaji Pratap Sirkali (grandson of Dr. Sirkali Govindarajan, nephew of Dr. Sirkali Siva Chidambaram)
http://www.sirkali.org
balaji_p_sirkali@hotmail.com
- From: saitan (@ 203.121.20.151)
on: Sun Feb 4 13:51:45 EST 2001
dai kannadasan pi da vairamuthu hehe eh eh hehe!!!;-D
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