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Pronounciation in TFM songs

Topic started by muthax (@ user-38ld829.dialup.mindspring.com) on Sun Sep 13 03:45:16 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,

TFM has seen lots of singers from other languages. Some have/are
ruled/ruling the TFM for so many years. Many of these singers started
to sing in tamil without even knowing to read and write in tamil.
Still those songs have been a big hit, for the tune, lyrics and
ofcourse their talent to bring the emotion in the song. In quite a few
occasions i have noticed singers like KJY have missed some finer aspects
of singing a song - the Pronounication. Not to blame the singers
i feel the MDs of such songs shud have taken more care on the
pronounciation aspects of these singers.

In this thread i would like to mention few songs of K.J.Y where he
missed the pronounciation. This is *not to criticise* KJY or
any other singer. But just to discuss this aspect in singing a song.
I would like u all to mention other such song/singers u have come across

1. Senthazham poovil vandhadum thendral en meedhu modhudhamma
poovaasam medai podudhamma penn bolae jaadai pesudhamma

whereas it shud have been Polae

same song the line

2. Maravaen Maraven arBudha kaatchi.

where as it shud have been arPutha.

3. Ninaivaalae silai seidhu unakaaga vaithen
Therukoilae odi vaa....

whereas it shud be thru-koilae

same song
4. sendhoora bendham......

whereas it shud be sendhoora bandham

guys pour more singers and songs...

Muthax

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Responses:

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• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Aug 15 17:26:01 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth- you have really confused me. You were among the first to criticize ARR (for not letting Sivamani and Naveen play live) and now you are doing a 180 degrees flip in pre-empting criticism for his 'non-live' live shows. What's your point anyway
  Yes I told it was wrong and stopped it, his live concerts are nothing to do with this creative ability, many started to abuse using this as a big reason.
  
  
  Srikanth - Symphony, for you, is a brahmasthra. You have used it effectively - but you can use it only once. Sorry buddy! not this time again. If your criticism is "Why should IR call himself a maestro?", then in the larger scheme of hypes in the TFM industry, this is insignificant.
  First of all I am not Karna to stop with one and at the same time you are not also Krishna to ask to use it once J , I will use it as long as justice is served because I had been to all these functions, now it looks like a mockery.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 198.95.226.224) on: Tue Aug 15 17:33:36 EDT 2000
  
  RajaG and Srikanth, ithukku pOi inga post seyyaNumaa....pEsaama oru call adichchu pEsikkOngO:-))))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Aug 15 17:33:53 EDT 2000
  
  Srik:
  yEn pEr GOVINDA Rajan. So I'm Krishna!:-)
  Just clarifying-
  So you are saying that Non-live shows by anybody is WRONG (even if it is by ARR). However, Non-live shows does not mean absence of talent.
  
  Understood and accepted!
  
  You would also agree that "not releasing a promised symphony" also does NOT mean absence of other talents (using the same standards of measure), I hope!
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Aug 15 17:35:08 EDT 2000
  
  SL: neenga gadOdhgajan. naduvula pugundhu avarOda brahmaasthraththa thaanginuttEL:-)
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Aug 15 17:36:38 EDT 2000
  
  GSab,
  then in the larger scheme of hypes in the TFM industry, this is insignificant.
  
  When a person tells he is the only composer to compose a symphony in entire asia and fails to release the work and gets a title,
  we are ready to ignore.
  
  I think this should be applied to Arr, i am sure as a musician you agree with me, he has done wonders in various aspects of music.
  
  Why are we still doubting his ability.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.118) on: Tue Aug 15 17:39:35 EDT 2000
  
  yov, thamil paattungaLLa pronounsiashan saryaa keeraNumaa keerakoodadhaa nnu pesungappaa. aththa uttuppottu IR,ARR nnu adichikireengaLe.
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Tue Aug 15 17:42:18 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  Thanks for politely replying (fan you too!!).
  I am in a hurry to go for groceries, will reply later in detail ;-) (ayooo ennum oru long posting'aa endru sollvathu kaathil vizhuthu!)
  
  just few quick things,
  Superiority in music as per your definition then becomes subjective based on the MD. ARR's thoughts in rendering those songs differently was his thought process and creativity. IR might think in some other way. I wouldn't say that Beethoven's sypmphonies are the SUPERIOR music in the world while kolangudi karuppaye is nothing. Both of them are different in their thought process and rendering, so it becomes subjective then. Right?
  People's subjective opinions is to like it or not. Fortunately they liked it(ARR).
  
  To you and others, vanthenda paalkaran or anne sippai anne might be a very simple but the MD has to think of that simple thought process to fit in just right with the situation.Antha padam release aanavudan it was so popular. Don't you agree then that simple thought process was subjective from Deva whihc was effective?
  
  I simply brought that issue of US stuff cos people were unnecessarily referring ARR for Kalachaara seerazhivu etc. Like you looking at the flip side of the coin (by the way, i expected such a reply to my query...summa adichu thakunga ;-) NOM)why can't we look like this..ARR brought in nice profits to the audio companies, mp3 proliferation etc. ;-)
  
  KPS and SS comparison was done purposefully when my opinion was treated in the same way. Amma'nnu koopittu aluthu...gumma'nnu koopidalamaa? Pronounciation ok endru sonnathurkku.vecha kudmi saraicha mottai kannakka it was treated.
  
  fan, all your hints on posting --well taken. thanks.appreciate it.
  rest later.
  Bug
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Aug 15 17:42:46 EDT 2000
  
  You would also agree that "not releasing a promised symphony" also does NOT mean absence of other talents (using the same standards of measure), I hope!
  
  My earlier posting:
  
  IR was just like that pardoned for not getting out his "symphony" till now, I happened to attend all the functions in Chennai, chaired by many top musicians to honor him, but yet to hear the score.
  I still believe he has the capacity to do it. , but to make these functions meaning full he should have released it.
  
  Regarding your krishna avadharam
  I suppose NTR's influence is still around .:)))
  
  as SL suggested phone call would be better for futher "fight"
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Aug 15 17:43:52 EDT 2000
  
  WHO doubted his ability? It is only when he is touted as the next best thing to sliced bread, that people get irked. Check Bug's posting We have to be proud that ARR has lifted the standards of film music that was not achieved over several years....idhu MSV kkum (I know I will get your attention) IR kkum dose thaanEy?
  
  Ganga: thamil paataiyE yindhi la paadinaa thaan enakku pidikkumpaa:-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Aug 15 17:48:50 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth: naa NTR maadhiri varuvEn....neenga mottai adichchundu (unga "favorite" MD maadhiri) Edu kondalavaadaa Govindaa Govindaa nu nEra thiruppathi bus lErndhu enga veettukku detour adikkaNum:-)
  
  aagamoththam indha thread la yum vishamam aarambichchaachu!
  
  Ganga: neenga alternative pronunsiashun or alsatian irundhaa sollungO:-)
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.118) on: Tue Aug 15 17:49:51 EDT 2000
  
  We have to be proud that ARR has lifted the standards of film music that was not achieved over several years.
  nnu Bug aNNaathe yen sonnaaru. ippo mukkaalaa mukkabala songai eduthukkongo. music evLo height kku poyiduchi. lyrics paLLathula vuyundhduchu. adhanaala ennaa? mukkaalaa nna thamilu. mukkaabala nnaa yindhi. ippo naattu othumai evLo nallaa aayidichi. idhai oru bengaali paadinaa innum evLo nallaa irukkum. mungaalaa mangaapuLLaa nnu.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.168) on: Tue Aug 15 17:51:09 EDT 2000
  
  Bug,
  RajaG has echoed my sentiments so far. Also Iam tired of repeating the same points again and again. Believe me, I have done it many times over the last 3 years here. Please continue the argument with RajaG. I'll join u guys later after I get myself a fresh dose of enthu;)) thanx for your patience.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Aug 15 17:52:37 EDT 2000
  
  Ganga:
  mukkaalaa mukkaablaa
  mooNu maasamaa, muzhugaamalaa...idhu eppdi irukku?
  
  neenga periyava enakku certificate kuduththa adhu enakku perumai illiyaa?:-)
  
  
• From: rags (@ 192.216.111.147) on: Tue Aug 15 18:13:29 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG next padathuku indha lyrics consider panna solren ARRaa:-))
  
  
• From: Bug (@ 216.71.84.142) on: Tue Aug 15 23:07:14 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  konjam superior music pathi defintion please.did you read my reply to your query?
  
  vijay,yes you defintely need a fresh dose of enthu.join later.by the way, rajaG hasn't echoed to my query posted in relation to your previous rebuttal of mine.
  
  ganga, neenga kalakunga.puthu meaning for ARR's muqabula song.
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.24.167.15) on: Wed Aug 16 00:08:02 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG, enna sema mood-la irukkeengaLa:)) - Infact, enakku andha paattOda second line-E marandhu pOchu: paadip paarthaa "mooNu maasamaa... muzhugaamalaa..." -dhaan varudhu! I am not sure if you noticed or not, but there's a great continuity in the meaning of the 1st line and your 2nd line in that song...I mean "mukki mukki...pOraadi...then....muzhugaamal aagi...":))
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 63.253.228.176) on: Wed Aug 16 00:48:38 EDT 2000
  
  Karthi.....Wow! great.......!!! You come in once in a while and shed some of your pearls of wisdom and disappear, lest somebody should give you an almighty wallop. Please refrain some desecrating this forum.
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 63.253.228.176) on: Wed Aug 16 00:52:58 EDT 2000
  
  correction...please refrain from .......
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.118) on: Wed Aug 16 19:37:40 EDT 2000
  
  cheenu kaNNaa! avangavanga cinemaavila mukki munagi paadipputtu thamilnaattaiye desecrate paNnittu nyaani,padmabushan nnellaam award vaangikkaraanga. namma karthi mukki mukki then sindhinadhula ennaa desecration aayiduchu?
  neenga mudinjavaraikkum mukkunga karthi!!
  
  
• From: Neel (@ 206.83.87.15) on: Wed Aug 16 20:23:54 EDT 2000
  
  Speaking of mukkal, ennamO sikkikitchu sikkikitchu endru pAdugiRArgalE, sikkikkoNdathu enna Udit Narayan thoNdaiyilE avarudaiya nAkkA?
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.15.178.243) on: Thu Aug 17 01:35:32 EDT 2000
  
  Ganga! en last posting-la irundha english
  'then'-ai, thamizhth 'thEn' aakkiyadharku nandri...cheenu, sorry about that! (btw, ganga namakku "m..kira" aLavukku oNNum vayasaagalai, aama!)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ ) on: Wed Sep 29 09:36:32 EDT 2004
  
  great digression.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ ) on: Wed Sep 29 09:36:42 EDT 2004
  
  great digression.
  
  

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