Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

IR's new albums!

Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
All times in EDT/EST +9:30/10:30 for IST.

A new Ilayaraja album is a cause for celebration with many among us. Let everyone share in the revelry. Review, discuss or comment on new IR albums.

Check the IR reviews page

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Krish (@ 208.28.2.2) on: Wed Apr 18 18:40:35 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru:
  
  I have seen your postings for over a year or two and you have always been fair. Pls. ignore the detractors (there is no point) and continue to keep posting. The best answer is just ignore your detractors.
  
  I am with you regarding the interview. I have dealt with news reporters in the US. Even here, the reporters have their own agenda and pre-concieved bias and just fit the answers in an interview to suit a story rather than write a story based on an interview. I think those type of reporters deserve the type of treatment IR offers them.
  
  Pls. keep posting. I enjoy and share your opinions on the unparalleled genius of IR.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Apr 19 09:35:53 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  I think it's a good time to stop now.But keep posting if not for me atleast for the sake of people like Krish.
  
  "Pls. keep posting. I enjoy and share your opinions on the unparalleled genius of IR."
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 19 09:48:06 EDT 2001
  
  kiru:
  
  It is ARR who said he is not interested in composing Symphony etc because he is into POP, World Music !!!
  
  Listen to Trend and don't take ARR's interviews seriously . Even if ARR says that his music belongs to POP genre, that is not true. Because our buddy Trend says so. Trend, please keep posting.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 10:35:33 EDT 2001
  
  Trend..there is no need for you to get upset for kiru's postings. As far as I view, Kiru puts everything in a pretty decent manner with a blend of knowledge in it. I guess his postings are well accepted among the TFM crowd. If he expresses a few comments about ARR, then it is purely from his own thoughts and not of anybody else's (which applies to all). I don't find any reason for you to go on a rampage. If you don't agree with his comments you can counter-argue, bring out valid points and consolidate your position. This many times had made the whole discussion more pleasant. I hope you agree with me that it is not apposite and democratic to attempt to block anybody's well-controlled thoughts.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 19 10:36:54 EDT 2001
  
  Yeah ..hihi..what can I say. Had it not been for the knowledgeable people here and people who come to really look for information here I would not be frequenting this place at all.
  Krish thanks for the encouragement.
  Analog, you are probably right too..In another interview ARR says that he used a 90 piece orchestra for Pukar and in another he says, "what is the point in using so many instruments..the mood can be captured with simple arrangements..people who use so many instruments are only trying to overwhelm the audience with sound " !!!
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 19 10:52:40 EDT 2001
  
  kiru:
  
  Yeah, poor Beethoven, Mozart and Bach. They did not have any clue how to bring the mood without 180 piece orchestra. Hell with them, our man Rahman does not need it at all.
  
  Anyway we are digressing too much from the topic. Let us stop here before people starting yelling.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 19 11:00:54 EDT 2001
  
  Analog:
  
  
  Yeah, poor Beethoven, Mozart and Bach. They did not have any clue how to bring the mood without 180 piece orchestra.
  
  
  Yeah.. you are right. See Thyagaraja.. He just used his voice and small thampura or jalra kind of an instrument and still could produce songs with devine touch which are still alive. Poor Bach, Beethovan etc.
  
  Ithu epdi errukku.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Apr 19 11:39:08 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  I'm not upset I was merely responding to his statements.I didn't say his postings doesn't deserve to be accepted among the TFM crowd.
  
  Whether someone adorns their statement("hiding behind technology") with smiley or quotes the statement still has a ring to it.For instance if I say "I'm the most intelligent person here" and adorn it with smileys or all the special characters I can find, it doesn't make the statement any less than the most absurd or most stupid statement or the greatest invalid claim.
  
  i don't think his statement of saying things like "hiding behind technology" are well-controlled.But if he says that it is,then probably I will agree with him.
  
  Kiru,
  
  "what is the point in using so many instruments..the mood can be captured with simple arrangements..people who use so many instruments are only trying to overwhelm the audience with sound " !!!
  
  I think this should be seen from a contextual perspective and not a absolute one.I think his thoughts seem to convey the feeling people are misusing it in a lot of instances.
  
  Analog,
  
  I'm not saying his music doesn't belong to pop genre.But I think (though I'm not qualified)his music has equal doses of other genres too.
  
  Looks like it's going to be a looong day
  
  
• From: bm (@ 172.162.50.155) on: Thu Apr 19 12:07:55 EDT 2001
  
  analog : Yeah, poor Beethoven, Mozart and Bach. They did not have any clue how to bring the mood without 180 piece orchestra ..."what is this 180 piece orchestra " thing ..?
  i think this bringing the mood out in WCM is totally a different experience. for eg the 25 th symphony of mozart ( which was used by Titan ..is it still being used ?) was intended and composed as a gloomy and grave compsosition. but was it the same feeling one experienced listening to it in the ad ? but the 40 th ..although being set in the same scale ( i guess ) is totally different - being typically mozart - sprightly and vivid! ( mozart is the king ! )
  moreover the drums ( and such other percussion ) are basically used in WCM for adding to the dramatic effect and not for the rhythm as in the indian style of music.but the indian music system also uses it for the same purposes as in wcm ..so the presence or absense of a huge orchestra itself doesnt guarantee anything.therefore the basic comparison of bringing out the mood by indian film mds a la bach, beethoven and mozart is imho wrong !
  so when ARR says "what is the point in using so many instruments..the mood can be captured with simple arrangements.." he is conveying either of the two things...1.his discomfort ( which the hcirfs may read as his ( arguable )inability - ) handling the huge orchestra or 2. he genuinely doesnt need it to convey his moods. i think this forum is polarised enuf to draw their own conclusions..
  
  and i agree with you completely Common friend..thyagaraja is the classic case in point..! he never needed any symphony orchestra to convey his devotion, happiness, sorrow etc..!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 12:17:21 EDT 2001
  
  Trend, I get you point. However, the quote "hiding behind technology" did not make a hard impact in my brain-sack.
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 19 12:24:49 EDT 2001
  
  Common Friend:
  
  I did not say that you have to use 180 piece orchestra to get the mood. You can use simple tampura or 180 piece, its all depends on which path you take.
  
  Trend:
  equal doses of other genres
  
  Though he has tried many things, you can see the POP influence in his work. Take 'kizhakku cheemaiyilE' and 'Sangamam' for example. They are folk and classical albums, right?. They are catchy and I am not saying that they are bad. They are not authentic, IMO. What I mean is they don't have the natural flavor except 'mArgazhi thingaL', you can see the POPish style all over the songs. So even if his music has other genres, he mainly concentrates on rhythm. In POP, rhythm is the main ingredient. That puts him to POP genre and he himself admitted that.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Apr 19 12:46:33 EDT 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  Poor Bach, Beethovan etc.
  This shows how immature you are :-)).
  
  
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Apr 19 12:48:21 EDT 2001
  
  Trend, CF, Analog, Fliflo
  Guys ready for another round :-))
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 19 12:50:29 EDT 2001
  
  UVII, I am not in the mainstream yet...What makes you so energetic...:-)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 19 12:50:48 EDT 2001
  
  UVII:
  
  Poor Bach, Beethovan etc.
  
  I responded to what Analog had said. First, read his posting and then comment about my maturity.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Apr 19 12:58:58 EDT 2001
  
  Analog,
  
  Would you consider songs like "Nilaa kaigiradhu" or "Kannamoochi" or "vennilaa(Iruvar)(to name a few) to have a pop influence?
  
  UVII,
  I think it would merely be repetitive.
  
  
• From: NJ (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Thu Apr 19 13:00:53 EDT 2001
  
  imagine one person clapping alone and hundred people clapping in unison. definitely there is a difference.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Thu Apr 19 13:05:21 EDT 2001
  
  Trend,
  Well...That is what is happening in TFM page. If you take a look at archives(if you are totally free), you can find similar kind of arguements which had taken place before. :-))
  
  CF,
  There is a diff in the context of how poor is usedin yoru posting and Analog's posting..Pl. take a look at it first.
  
  Fliflo,
  :-)
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 19 13:15:32 EDT 2001
  
  Trend:
  
  I am not denying what you are saying. Consider this example: Rajnikanth has acted in movies like muLLum malarum, and engEyO kEtta kural. But he is considered as an action hero. Why? Simple reason. His major work belongs to that category. Rahman's major chunk belongs to POP, isn't it?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 19 13:16:54 EDT 2001
  
  Re: ThyagarAja and Western Composers. I think ThyagarAja composed for a different 'sized' audience than WCM masters. It was played to a small group. The equivalent in WCM is Chamber music (the name should tell something). Symphonies and other big orchestral arrangements were for public occasions like somebody ascending the throne. In those days, it is very difficult to reach a bigger audience without increasing the number of instruments. Even today WCM is listened to without any amplification. So why stick to so many instruments still you ask ? Even today it is only the big orchestra which can convey a 'grand image' This is my experience as well as the opinion of John Williams, who says, that a medium like movies requires symphonic music to impart it the grandness. WCM is not just number of instruments it is also rich in techniques. I will let somebody more knowledgeable in music talk about this. BTW, I think, ARR did not stop with the number of instruments he also mentioned then what is the point in knowing all the musical techniques if you cannot get the mood right or something to that effect. Can somebody look for this ? It was given in the context of some hindi movie or to some northie magazine.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Apr 19 13:22:29 EDT 2001
  
  Thayagaraja did not compose for an audience , he composed praising god.
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments