Topic started by STONE COLD (@ 210.186.78.221) on Thu Apr 29 21:29:29 EDT 2004.
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http://specials.rediff.com/movies/bdreams.htm
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- From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.116)
on: Fri Apr 30 23:33:09 EDT 2004
Heard that Like an Eagle song is deleted from Broadway. That was the best composition! I heard the London cassette, recently. I was not drawn to an immediate second hearing. It is kinda not here in Indian music or Western, but rhythms is soft and yet great, but most tunes are lullabies kind, hardly strong enuff, since very simple. American Musical Energy is missing, very kinda contemplative n timid feel I get of the tunes. But, it is a great beginning.
Rahman needs to punch more energy in the songs by stronger and bolder tunes, not softer ones. If, Rahman wants to really attract Americans, he should not sound like Laxmikant-Pyarelal' Uyire Unnakaga type Hindi feel for Tamil songs. How did Salilda do great in Tamil, while RDB and LP just sound so lame in Tamil? That feeling I get of Rahman' tunes in English. Difficult job, but I am sure this is just the beginning. That Aye Re Rangeela Rey song is so absurd.
You've gotta be Western when in West, like Shyamalan shooting his movies in the Churches,etc.. you can't bring Temples or Mosques in your first few films to capture the audience attention. Even with a fantastic story like Sixth Sense, Shayamalan had to amke his Church oriented. Likewise, I believe Rahman has to wake up and take control and say, if I need to get the West, I need to make attract them with what they want first, then serve my own stuff later, when they will take anything.
However, I feel Rahman has got a great foundation laid in the West now, so he must capitalize on this and shift base instead of the wasting on Indian movies. Broadway is the place for Rahman, this I predicted when I heard Minsara Kanavu songs. Rahman cannot be a complete Indian composer, but he can be a complete Broadway type and that is great for the new Indian audience as well!!!!
GO FOR IT, RAHMAN!
- From: fmlover (@ 61.247.240.198)
on: Sat May 1 03:47:32 EDT 2004
thanx a million for all the links Saathiya....keep 'em coming.
- From: hj (@ 212.211.136.33)
on: Sat May 1 11:12:19 EDT 2004
intha pund*daaa mavenge inge vanthutaangala???
CP, FERRARI, BEN, JACKY, MADDY and all the other pachai thevadi matha pussy lickers, unga appan kottaiya s*ck pannittu inge kuthu ooodutha?
- From: hj (@ 212.211.136.33)
on: Sat May 1 13:00:18 EDT 2004
sorry lah i have brain tumor. brain of size of tumor. that why i say like this lah. i hate arr lah. he no do good music. but many like him lah. after arul flop i very disappoint. i not accept hj is bad lah. i no guts to face arr fans with so small brain and even smaller that lah. he he. they give good point but i no have any point. i wat do lah? that why i post in tenson lah. all that i only do lah. sorry lah.
- From: fmlover (@ 61.247.240.133)
on: Sat May 1 14:22:59 EDT 2004
plz enlighten me on hj's language there.....im not talking about the 1st post...LOL....the 2nd post...
i have no idea on wut ur talking :S
wuts this lah??
:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S
- From: t (@ 210.214.228.249)
on: Sat May 1 15:51:07 EDT 2004
its like omahaziyan you can't understand anything.
Afterall he is a HJ fan.
- From: r (@ 202.156.2.115)
on: Sat May 1 20:26:56 EDT 2004
http://telegraphindia.com/1040501/asp/frontpage/story_3195436.asp
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19)
on: Sat May 1 22:54:25 EDT 2004
fmlover,
It is clearly evident that it's a mental case. Don't make fun of him. Mannippu kaettavan Veeran-nu nenachu vittudunga! :-)
"Ingayum vandhutaangala" appadinu sollikittae idhu ella thread-kum poi irukkudhu, loosu!! :-)
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Sun May 2 02:34:50 EDT 2004
andha arival dedo bhaiya
- From: Wondering (@ 208.24.179.28)
on: Sun May 2 11:52:57 EDT 2004
Per Telegraph article:
"Ammavasai Sorru Oru Thadavai Thaan Abdul Khadarukku"
:-)
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19)
on: Sun May 2 12:07:49 EDT 2004
Abdul Kadar Ammavasaikku Vradham.
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Sun May 2 12:48:58 EDT 2004
C-P et al -
Have you guys seen the glowing review of ARRs music (for Bombay Dreams) in Time magazine? ARR is compared to Gershwin and Lennon-Mcartney. And the critic concludes that ARRs music is "melodic...and gorgeously new!" Do a Google. Check it out. I'll post a link if I find one.
- From: virus (@ 80.118.118.115)
on: Sun May 2 15:22:21 EDT 2004
Download Arr Interview At
http://www.uyirvani.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=121
ENJOY :)
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.19)
on: Mon May 3 07:28:32 EDT 2004
Naaz,
Thanks for the suggestion. I guess this is what you are referring to...
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501040503-629434,00.html
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Mon May 3 09:25:48 EDT 2004
C-P -
Yep. Thanks for posting the link so that other members of this forum can read - and feel proud - too! :-)
- From: vm (@ 24.131.140.37)
on: Mon May 3 13:37:36 EDT 2004
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/650725.cms
- From: ssh (@ 168.159.190.36)
on: Mon May 3 14:46:37 EDT 2004
I see that the above article from times of india quotes a lot of popular US dailies giving harsh reviews on Bombay Dreams. As a matter of fact, I kinda expected this, bcos, the exact same thing happened in London. BD still managed to emerge as a hit bcos of the south asian population in London and suburbs. I guess the same thing should happen in NY to catapult the launch of BD and once the good word spreads, the show will eventually become a hit.
Most of these above quoted dailies have only criticized the play and have left ARR alone. American media and public are initially gonna find it difficult to absorb the story and music of BD. But if the good word spreads, things will get interesting.
- From: vm (@ 24.131.140.37)
on: Mon May 3 14:51:00 EDT 2004
I dont think the same thing will happen in NY , not that i want to see it flop since it is a expensive venture $14mil . But NY is not same as London .The people give more importance to reviews with regards to Broadway than to movies in NY :}
- From: vm (@ 24.131.140.37)
on: Mon May 3 15:03:32 EDT 2004
And also ticket price for a broadway show is well north of $75 , so people will think twice before watching a show that doesnt have good reviews . Just the south Asian population cannot make this show a hit , since its production value is more than that of the London show .
- From: ssh (@ 168.159.190.36)
on: Mon May 3 15:18:19 EDT 2004
Good point. I have seen ppl flocking to ARR's concerts in NY/NJ area even though the tickets are priced btwn $50 - $500. But those are all one/two day affairs and the production value is way below this broadway production. For this one, we need repeated house full shows for quite some time to to avoid financial losses.
- From: vm (@ 24.131.140.37)
on: Mon May 3 15:34:15 EDT 2004
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=821&ncid=791&e=6&u=/ap/20040430/ap_en_re/theater_bombay_dreams
- From: A review (@ 24.6.183.195)
on: Tue May 4 01:02:59 EDT 2004
From The New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/critics/theatre/?040510crth_theatre
Sometimes, however, moral slobbism can be foisted on Americans from without. Take, for instance, Andrew Lloyd Webber’s “Bombay Dreams” (at the Broadway, under the direction of Stephen Pimlott), one of the silliest musicals in recent memory. In this British import, the “scum from the slum” Akaash (the hardworking Manu Narayan) gets discovered by a zaftig Bollywood diva, Rani (the hard-shaking Ayesha Dharker), and becomes a star. Over the course of nine production numbers, Akaash briefly forgets his roots, but not, unfortunately, the lyrics, by Don Black, including those of the show’s hit song, “Shakalaka Baby,” whose most eloquent passage goes, “Shakalaka baby shakalaka baby / Come and shakalaka with me.” Deep Singh’s and David Sharma’s percussion is excellent, but when you find yourself watching the drummers at the side of the stage instead of the exotic nubile hordes giving good cleavage in front of you, there’s a problem. The actress and masterly cookbook writer Madhur Jaffrey plays Shanti, Akaash’s grandmother, who lives to see Akaash save both her shantytown and his soul. Jaffrey’s book “From Curries to Kebabs” is on sale in the theatre lobby. I recommend her recipes; it’s the show I can’t swallow.
- From: T (@ )
on: Thu May 13 16:01:12 EDT 2004
Bombay Dreams has a dream run in US!
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/may/13dreams.htm
- From: k (@ 165.140.4.22)
on: Thu May 13 17:32:05 EDT 2004
The Philadelphia Inquirer also t(h)rashed both the musical entirely and the music in its review.
- From: Nattmai (@ 67.15.42.16)
on: Fri May 14 02:39:13 EDT 2004
---one of the silliest musicals in recent memory.
And webber claims that mozart musthaba is the latest quincy jones? hhahaha. what an idiot!
- From: STONE COLD (@ 210.186.79.186)
on: Wed May 19 22:09:41 EDT 2004
"The music is never boring, however, and A R Rahman is
definitely a talent to look out for."
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2004/19_May---Broadway_Roundup_Part_Two\
.asp
Assassins, Bombay Dreams and an Off-Broadway round-up
By Cary Wong
I last wrote about the tumultuous season on Broadway
this year. Now I'm going to highlight two recent,
high-profile musicals by composers who are no stranger
to film composing. Both shows are available on CD, but
not for the current productions. Bombay Dreams has a
2002 London Cast CD and Assassins has a CD recording
of the off-Broadway cast from 1990. So far, there have
been no plans to record the current Broadway casts of
either shows.
Bombay Dreams ***
Broadway Theater
1681 Broadway
New York, NY
Bombay Dreams is a big Bollywood extravaganza
transported to the musical stage, courtesy of producer
Andrew Lloyd Webber. Webber, who is no stranger to
big-budget spectaculars, certainly makes his touch
felt in the show, which hits a high-point during the
hit song, "Shakalaka Baby," a wonderful number with
water pouring and sprouting from all angles on the
stage into a colorful and wonderful spectacle. I was
grateful for these wonderful set-pieces since the rest
of the show, although pleasant, adheres way too
closely to the cliché of a young man who in order to
fulfill his dream of becoming as star has to abandon
his family and friends. The second act's melodrama is
particularly tiresome since the show cannot top the
wondrous "Shakalaka Baby" which occurred in the middle
of the first act.
The music is never boring, however, and A R Rahman is
definitely a talent to look out for. A well-known and
popular pop song writer and film composer (of over 70
films) in India, Rahman recently scored the
Oscar-nominated film, Lagaan. This is his first
Broadway show, and his next one should be a doozy as
well: Rachman is providing the music for the stage
musical of The Lord of the Rings. His songs for Bombay
Dreams are catchy and memorable, whether in the style
of traditional Bollywood songs or traditional Broadway
showtunes (although Don Black's lyrics are somewhat
banal for the love songs). The show has changed
drastically from the London production, which is
evident on the London Cast CD that includes many
numbers not heard in New York.
The actors are mostly novices with little Broadway
experience, which is probably why the numbers have an
American Idol feel to them. Ayesha Dharker (the Naboo
Queen in Attack of the Clones), who plays a spoiled
actress, even resembles Paula Abdul, especially during
the lip-synching movie scene. Still, the cast's
youthful excitement makes up for their inexperience
and thus makes it more endearing. Manu Narayan and
Anisha Nagarajan play the romantic leads competently
enough, but will only grow into their roles and become
more confident.
It is great to see a new culture represented on the
Broadway stage, and while there were many dead spots
explaining the culture to the audience, the Moulin
Rouge over-the-top mood it created is infectious and
to be applauded.
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