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Ilayaraja is on his way down...!

Topic started by Nammaooruvalen (@ 202.184.134.10) on Tue Jul 15 23:32:31 EDT 1997.
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• From: srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Wed Jun 24 16:48:15 EDT 1998
  
  HI,
  One of the main cause of Raja going down is he began to mix is personal politics with music.
  Singers like Arul mozi were given chances when there were better singers.
  Also he had little problems with studios - sound engineers - which forced him to switch to studios which did not have much facilities.
  This as affected his scoring ability a little.
  He failed to concentrate and learn new techs around him.
  I wish Raja changes his attitude and removes the too much ego he has and starts composing pretty good numbers.
  
  Raja's downfall attributes only to his personal attitude not because of inablity to score music..
  
  No one can deny the fact he is a great composer... (only composer in INDIA to write score without using any instruments like Beethoven)
  
  Srikanth
  
  
  
  
• From: Veera Manohar (@ ) on: Mon Sep 25 10:06:09 EDT 2000
  
  Hello what is going on here?First of all do not compare that boy (ARR) with this great genius.
  He is a successful music director.But I will say he has not achieved anything great in music.(Hey do not mind those awards given by idiots).Simply some good songs,more copies.In fact he is a good sound engineer.His music touches nerves and sometimes brain.But Raja's music enters brain and touches heart.100's of Raja's songs are everlasting.He has done almost all kind of music.
  
  carnatic,Western,western classic
  melody,folk,kajal,hindustani and possible combinations of all these.
  
  In my opinion ARR doesn't deserve what he has got.and Raja deserves more than he has got.Nothing but time.
  
  Veera
  
  
  
• From: Veera Manohar (@ 202.54.63.132) on: Mon Sep 25 10:26:25 EDT 2000
  
  Hello Mr.Maha,
  
  enakku siripputham varuthu.Neenga solrathai pattha?after duet - la oru single sax piece-kku ippadiya?in fact 40% credit goes to Jadhari Goplnath and 40 % goes to Kenny-G.(!!!).
  10 % to KB and 10% than ARR kku.
  
  Empa unkku kathu sraiya kekkatha?Punnagai mannan pathya? athula oru piece varume.love theme on computer.appuram salangai oli.athula oru piece.
  appuram ithyathhai thirudatheyila re-recording.nayagan -l varum flute piece.(Then pandi...cheemayile).ada poppa ithu oru soruthan pani niraya innum irukku.dayavu senju veliyila
  sollirathe.Ama unakku music-nna ennannu theriyumappa?
  
  
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38) on: Mon Sep 25 14:29:03 EDT 2000
  
  veera,
  
  adhu Jadhari Gopalnath illai, Kadri Gopalnath!!
  
  
• From: soora (@ 172.147.221.37) on: Mon Sep 25 23:31:15 EDT 2000
  
  evanaayirundha enakkenna?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Tue Sep 26 04:48:15 EDT 2000
  
  Chandy,
  u shud notice that j 7 k are sidies in the key board :-)
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Tue Sep 26 04:48:44 EDT 2000
  
  It was j & k (shift buttonin sadhi )
  
  
• From: kg harish (@ 203.199.220.70) on: Tue Sep 26 08:17:00 EDT 2000
  
  Who says arunmozhi is not a good singer ? That way,If personal reasons are being mentioned , why did GVPrakash sing so many songs for rahman? He's just his nephew . Shahul hameed & suresh peters are (were) his long time friends, nothing more .
  
  Raja is the reason for so many singers for being what they are today- He has introduced &given us so many good singers including Chitra, Swarnalatha,Minmini ,Krishnachandran,Unnimenon,Mano,Jency,Uma ramanan.None of them were "one song wonders" like the types that ARR introduces these days .Many others like Yesudas,SPB,S Janaki , PJayachandran & scores of others have recorded their best tamil songs under the maestro Illayaraja.
  Illayaraja is certainly not down . Stories of ego & politics are gossip. It's just that Illayaraja has reached a stage where he has outgown his music & feels constrained with the routine film themes .
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatraman J (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Tue Sep 26 08:34:31 EDT 2000
  
  Hi,
  Well Said, Harish!!! Those words of you are the most truthful ones I've heard of late! I'll still and always say:
  "Netru Ille Naalai Eppavum Avar (mattum thaan) RAAJA!!!"
  Yours Always,
  Vijay.
  For The Maestro's Fans:
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• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Tue Sep 26 08:40:28 EDT 2000
  
  Hi all,
  
  Success/poularity of a MD in TFW is purely by:
  i) Music listeners
  ii) Equation with Producers,directors,
  super heroes and media.
  
  I believe Raaja lost(pl. note 'lost', not failed)
  his stake from both of the above mentioned groups.
  
  Nowadays the second point has a gross influence
  on the first point, to a greater extend. Now that
  we have to agree that IR does not have good
  rapport with producers, directors and media. So
  the good thing in his music are not projected by
  the media, he is not given good/due chances by the
  film makers. He is consistently pulled down by
  the film world personnel. The reasons may be
  anything, be it due to IRs ego or otherwise.
  But ultimately he does not enjoy the support of
  the film makers. So nowadays he seldom gets
  chance.
  
  Many people will agree with me that IR is one of
  those elite film MDs who did fair justice to the
  classical music especially carnatic. I can tell
  this proudly because one of the renowned critique
  P.V.Subramaniam alias 'Subbudu' has mentioned this.
  'Subbudu' is one of the best critique of the
  carnatic music world. He does not bother whomever
  be the presenter. His criticism on 'carnatic
  pitamaha' semmangudi srinivasa iyer is well know
  in the carnatic world. When persons of subbudu's
  calibre comment on IR's carnatic composition then
  we should agree that IR is premier in music
  composition. Also his fusion albums, his devotional
  albums, his symphony, symphonic bgm for hey ram
  stand as testimony that IR is,was, will be a versatile
  MD and even now his music has not dried out.
  
  But todays listeners' trend has changed. Due to
  media and exposure present generation of music
  listener(generation here not necessarily mean age
  group). Their taste has changed, they slowly or
  rapidly move from hard core classical touch music
  to some beat type of songs (I'm not going to say
  whether its good or bad). But IR has his own
  limitation. He cannot do injustice to classical
  form of music by distoring its form (as said by
  subbudu in one interview). Hence he cannot
  cater to the present music listening generation's
  taste. ARR and other MDs dont have these kind of
  limitations. I'm not blaming ARR for this. See
  its something like this, some say language like
  tamil, english etc have well laid grammar so if
  one speaks those language they should follow the
  grammar (IR is of this type). While some say
  that language is just for communication so no
  need to follow any hardcore rules as long as things
  to be conveyed is conveyed(ARR and others mostly
  fall in this category).
  
  Hence the result is IR is no more a "POPULAR"
  music director. But still IR's product are those
  Agmark sealed pure songs which the present
  mindset music listners may not appreciate.
  
  please bear with me for this lengthy message.
  
  
• From: Kalki avatharam (@ 202.54.71.78) on: Tue Sep 26 10:59:53 EDT 2000
  
  Ilayaraja is on his way down...!
  
  
  Yes!!!!!
  
  Its true He is back to the place where he started...please hold ARR fans...Yes he has started to give classiques like what he gave in late 70's amd early 80's and its a bad sign for *** so take care people ...the breeze is turning "Hurricane" so the intermediate plz hid youtself....
  
  
• From: Kalki avatharam (@ 202.54.71.78) on: Tue Sep 26 11:00:28 EDT 2000
  
  Ilayaraja is on his way down...!
  
  
  Yes!!!!!
  
  Its true He is back to the place where he started...please hold ARR fans...Yes he has started to give classiques like what he gave in late 70's amd early 80's and its a bad sign for *** so take care people ...the breeze is turning "Hurricane" so the intermediates..... plz hid yourself....
  
  
• From: Prabu Iyer (@ 63.144.116.253) on: Tue Sep 26 12:54:13 EDT 2000
  
  Pazhayana kazhithalum, pudhiyana puguthalum kalavagaiyinanae.
  
  http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~kailasan/album/april_2000/cov5.jpg
  
  
• From: siva (@ 202.188.230.75) on: Wed Sep 27 12:51:40 EDT 2000
  
  hello
  onnu mattum solla virumburen.....1976il IR vanthathum MSV rendu moonu varusathile kAnAma poittar...anal indru ARR, Deva, YSR,KR,Bharadwaj, sirpy, SAR...enru neraiya per vanthum athilum ARR puyaladitha pothilum IR innum isaiyamaikirarna (Alamaram pola)athu periya visayam...En endal tiramaikum unmaikkum azhive kidaiyathungren....
  
  enna sariya........
  
  
• From: Sindu Knotter (@ 202.188.102.125) on: Wed Sep 27 20:46:45 EDT 2000
  
  Siva
  Appo MSV-kku Thiramai+Unmai illainnu solringa....
  
  
• From: MSVrasigan (@ 24.2.86.227) on: Wed Sep 27 21:01:06 EDT 2000
  
  siva:
  
  MSV has composed music for many films in 80s. As far as I know he did last for one of the SAC film either 'neethiku thandanai' or 'Rajanadai' which came in 1989. It is not 2 or 3 years. 12 or 13 years. SO Let us wait and see till 2003/2004.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.15.178.217) on: Wed Sep 27 23:35:36 EDT 2000
  
  hallo siva,
  
  MSV 1976-la kaaNama pOnaar-nu edhai vechu solreenga? It's true Raja was on the rise, but still MSV, even though slowly losing his hold of the fort(e?), gave a lot of good songs. In fact, his good songs after IR's arrival will EASILY OUTNUMER AND OUTLAST the good numbers IR gave after ARR's arrival! FYI, I can't think of a good composition by IR after 'Chinna Thambi' in the 90's. Simply there was no food for taste in IR's music in the 90's (and in my opinion most of 80's, but that's a different story) even though some of his songs became popular! Can you name a classic like "kanaa kaaNum kaNgaL mella" which MSV gave in 1982, that IR gave in the 90's? I don't see any!
  
  I haven't heard 'Bharathi' yet, so will hold on to my opinion until then.
  
  
• From: Raaja Rasikan (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Thu Sep 28 01:45:10 EDT 2000
  
  Karthi,
  What do u say about?
  1.Chinna thayee.
  2.Aranmanai kili.
  3.Avatharam.
  4.Mogha mull.
  5.Devar Magan.
  these are a few samples.........and the list goes on and on..........
  
  

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