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How does an MD determine a Singer for the song?

Topic started by Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Apr 11 08:19:17 EDT 2002.
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On what basis do MD'd chose their Play back singers?

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• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Fri Apr 12 11:33:38 EDT 2002
  
  IMO among all the male singers sukhwinder can peacefully reach very high notes and still sing very well
  
  Raghu
  Female lower notes
  Zahreela Pyar from Daud( really very very low)
  
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.157) on: Fri Apr 12 11:34:58 EDT 2002
  
  chitra in veerapandi kottaiyile...first stanza
  that was pretty low too
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.132) on: Fri Apr 12 13:20:40 EDT 2002
  
  sathiyamma Nithyashreeyum Anuradha S um illai!
  
  
• From: Dr.KJY (@ 64.0.99.233) on: Sat Apr 13 13:50:11 EDT 2002
  
  Sarat;
  
  >>"IMO among all the male singers sukhwinder can peacefully reach very high notes and still sing very well
  <<", pls do not tell this to anyone, they will only laugh at you, thambi.
  
  Neenka SPB thambida full singing Range aiyum kettu vittu appurum decide pannunga, paavam SPB thambi illa Rafi anna kettarghal endra, suicide pannedevanga!
  
  shhhhhhhh
  
  
• From: un paatti (@ 209.146.142.2) on: Sat Apr 13 16:47:29 EDT 2002
  
  veera/Raja Hindustani/Normal Man/Dr.KJY:
  daai madayaa, yaendaa nee innum indha maathiriyae muttaal poala behave pannaradhu? 64.0.99.233 server un thaaththaavuda compuerdaa. athaiyae use
  panni yaendaa intha maathiri vaeru vaeru paerilae madayan maathiri post pannikkittirikkirae? enna seyyaradhu? nee uruppadara maathiri theriyillai!
  
  
• From: ramki (@ 66.119.33.167) on: Sun Apr 14 13:11:51 EDT 2002
  
  No body knows!
  
  
• From: ST (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Mon Apr 15 09:26:42 EDT 2002
  
  hi Raghu,
  I was away for some days..
  For ur curiosity on female singers( :- hitting low notes easily).. some numbers which come to mind are
  ..Rainaa Beeti Jaaye(LM), Paadvaa en/un "paadalai" & Chinna Taaiaval by SJ.In the latter SJ beautifully complements the flute piece of IR.
  Check out that in most competitions/orchestra people who try "Chinna Taaiaval" start of at slightly high note.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Mon Apr 15 10:25:08 EDT 2002
  
  raghuvaran,
  LM hit real low notes in her Hemant Kumar duets example "nain so nain naahi milao" in Jhanak Jhanak Paayal Baaje. And in many songs of Salil Chaudhary...like "mila hai kisika jhhumka".
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Apr 15 11:09:20 EDT 2002
  
  ST & AVR
  
  the songs u have mentione do touch the low notes, but not the LOWEST, which is key 1 on your keyboard or piano, only male singers(SPB, KK, KJY, Ghantasala, Bala Murali Krishna) and female carnatic/hindustani(Sudha Ragunathan, Nithyashree) singers can touch the lowest note, during Carnatic concerts, I have heard KJY & BMK doing this, but SPB has done this several times in Play back singing,
  
  listen "Thulli Thulli nee padama seethaiyamma", from Sirpikuzh Muthu (kamal.Radhika), in this song SPB starts with normal pitched voice (keys 20-25), then he proceeds to key 1, it sounds like "ahhhhh", in a really deep voice, pls listen to the song, if you have not, then decide 4 your selfs.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Mon Apr 15 15:04:17 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu:
  
  I presume you are talking about your copyrighted muthalan kattai and ettankattai again :-) in thuLLi thuLLi nee paadammaa (which is in E as Sa by the way), SPB touches E which is NOT the lowest note on either a standard piano (A) or keyboard (C).
  Please learn the appropriate terminologies, their meaning and application before you start using them left, right, and center. And puhleeze......don't come back with "this is how we call it in U.K., Srilankan thamizh, etc." Bullcrap is Bullcrap, it transcends the exterior thin coat of technical terms :-)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: To Raghu (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Mon Apr 15 16:08:11 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu, I didnt understand ur "lowest note being key 1 on keyboard" thing. How many keys does ur keyboard have?? A std piano has 88. And when u said SPB starts at "keys 20-25" and comes down to "key 1", how did u count the keys? Included the black ones also? Even if u included black keys , its not 25 keys cos it seems to me that he comes only one octave down from where he starts (or I might be wrong, I will check that again).
  
  U guys heard of the Castrati?
  And abt Mariah careys reported 8 octave range voice? though some people say its only a 5 octave range. And in opera etc.., the usual vocal range is E (in the second octave below middle C), and C two octaves above Middle C. Of course, this range is divided into 4 convenient parts SATB, and usually employ different type of singers for each part of SATB.
  
  
• From: To Raghu (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Mon Apr 15 16:13:01 EDT 2002
  
  Sorry, I didnt see RajaG's posting. (Havent refreshed the page in between I typed in the box and posted.)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Mon Apr 15 17:08:38 EDT 2002
  
  C & P from an earlier post in a SPB and Rafi comparison thread
  
  
  From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Thu Jun 14 15:35:48 EDT 2001
  
  
  Range (in statistics and in music) is defined as the distance/gap between the highest value and the lowest value of any metric. In the case of human voice, it is obviously measured by the lowest note and the highest note a person can touch and sustain. While the Indian classical nomenclature (sa re ga ma) gives a good indication of range it is still a relative measure. Sudha Ragunathan hitting the mElstaayi 'pa' in 5 katta (safEd 5) might still be a 'ri' for somebody whose voice is in 1 katta (safEd 1). Absolute note is the standard nomenclature of Western Music. For example E is E and G is G. Talking about SPB's range, he sang Suvvi Suvvi Suvvaalammaa and hit the keezh "sa" i.e the lowest E. In Rajai kaiya vachcha (set in A major) he hits the highest B flat note. To chart out his range, it will look like
  E1 to E2 to E3 to B#3 - which is over 2 and 1/2 octaves. Typically lady singers have a much higher range plus they can smoothly transition into falsettos thereby increasing their ranges too. Incidentally, there may be an occasion that SPB has hit a note higher than B#3 or lower than E1, but I am guessing that it is NOT typical.
  
  Rafi was very comfortable in the upper octaves being more of a tenor. Duniya kE rakhwaalE was set in E minor and he goes up all the way upto madhyam which happens to be A3. In the live show versions he went upto pa (but the scales were reduced to D minor) so he was still hitting A3 as the highest note in the song. Man tarpat was also set with E2 as sa ( A minor is the root chord since hindolam has no panchamam). When he says sun mOrE vyaakul man.........., he hits the upper madhyam which also happens to be A3. I however believe that Rafi was quite comfortable in staying in the upper notes and probably had an upper tip which could even touch the C4 note.
  The question is about the lower notes. Rafi has virtually NO song where he could comfortably traverse an E1 or F1 note (in fact I wonder if there is any song where he has even touched these notes). This is what people refer to as an absence of bass, in the voice. Discussion of bass is merely an observation - it has no bearing on the talents of a singer.
  
  When forumers talk about Rafi's bass, I wonder how many of them have ever sat with a Harmonium or a keyboard and try to gauge the scale in which the songs have been presented.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Thu Jun 14 16:11:05 EDT 2001
  
  
  Incidentally, I have NOT claimed that SPB has the widest voice range. I have just used his singing as an example. There are many classical singers who have a much wider range. If you take a typical male voice using C as the base scale then C1 to B1 would be mandhra sthaayi (keezh sthaayi) C2 to B2 would be madhya sthaayi and C3 to B3 would be thaarasthaayi (mEl sthaayi). About C4 to B4 - would be kadhavu idukkula eli chikkinda sthaayi:-) Once again I have used, the Harmonium which has typically 3.5 octaves as the reference for C1, C2 etc.
  
  About Rafi's singing, sorry to belabour the point, if somebody can come up with real examples of in a "specific" song he has touched these "specific" notes (on the Western scale) which clearly establishes his prowess in the bass notes, I will gladly revise my opinion. Merely mentioning "I think he sounds cool in these notes", or "His bass in sow baar janam lEngE is better than KK's bass in panthi hoon mai" will get my usual "You don't know your sh*t man!" response:-)
  
  Raghu: naan ezhudhinadha careful aa padikkaNum. naaLaikku inga pop quiz undu. Out of syllabus, aa oo nnu kaththakkoodaadhu :-)
  
  
  
  
• From: (@ 165.122.129.69) on: Mon Apr 15 17:33:30 EDT 2002
  
  ;-))
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Apr 15 19:12:19 EDT 2002
  
  rajaG - as they say, a little knowledge (enakkum onnum puriyale - the lowest key 1 and SPBs aaahhh?? is that a savi koththu tholainjupoochchu "aaah"?? :-)))
  
  is a very dangerous thing...enter at your own risk!:-))
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 03:50:19 EDT 2002
  
  aiyo, summa oru pechukku sonna, engayum arambichutangha lata, aiyo kadavule, yan en seiyum
  
  :)))
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Apr 16 04:36:37 EDT 2002
  
  rajaG:
  
  I get your point very well. We (thats means I myself) should not talk of high or low notes without mentioing the pitch/actual note sung.
  
  what I gave was just my guess about "mila hai kisika jhhumka" since I have very elementary knowledge of music/notations. My guess maybe wrong...so please do correct me. i have posted a similar query on the Vani Jayaram's songs thread about high notes. So there too!
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Apr 16 05:06:32 EDT 2002
  
  Small digression;
  
  let me repeat the topic
  
  "How does an MD determine a Singer for the song?"
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.80.188) on: Tue Apr 16 07:54:24 EDT 2002
  
  and one more digression... we're in TFM and not HFM
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Apr 18 04:34:16 EDT 2002
  
  I knew this thread will be HOT one. :)
  
  

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