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'Manasu rendum paarkka"-What about Shankar Mahadevan's pronounciation?

Topic started by JK (@ 61.11.83.96) on Tue Aug 12 06:20:59 EDT 2003.
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Friends!

Great song "Manasu rendum paarkka.." from Kadhal Konden..

Shankar Mahadevan has rendered that song with exact emotion. But

"Oru paarvaiyil ennai kondru vidu penne..
Un Koonthalil ennai pudhaithu vidu penne..
koLvatharku munne oru muthamidu penne..
adahi marakkaathey.."

In this he should have pronounced "kolvatharkku"
instead of "koLvatharku". It is odd to listen to a "La" instead of "la"

In another song "Ennai konjam Maatri" from "Kaaka kaaka" the singer is pronouncing "Thulli Thulli poguthey" instead of "ThuLLi ThuLLi poguthey".Here instead of "La" "la" is pronounced.

The concerned persons related to the movie and song should have corrected this. Is this the fate of Thamizh?

These are examples.. In most of the peppy songs Thamizh kolai is being done. I have not mentioned them because the whole song would have been a Thamizh kolai.

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• From: JK (@ 61.11.80.164) on: Wed Sep 3 01:31:23 EDT 2003
  
  sri!
  
  
  "SPB had rendered that song like a drunkard. so that is excused."
  
  I too want to convey what u have said.
  
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.81.98) on: Wed Sep 3 03:10:03 EDT 2003
  
  sri!
  moreover.. we are discussing about "Ucharippu" that is Pronounciation.. not ilakkana pizhaigal..
  
  But it is better to discuss that also.let me start a new thread for that also..
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.81.98) on: Wed Sep 3 03:15:41 EDT 2003
  
  sri!
  moreover.. we are discussing about "Ucharippu" that is Pronounciation.. not ilakkana pizhaigal..
  
  But it is better to discuss that also.let me start a new thread for that also..
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.81.98) on: Wed Sep 3 03:27:03 EDT 2003
  
  Here is the thread to discuss about "Grammatical mistakes in tamil songs"
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/17323.03.15.24.html
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.84.199) on: Thu Sep 4 07:44:57 EDT 2003
  
  I have seen most of our singers(SPB,P.SUSEELA,EVEN our Mestro) always sings "KannE! as "Kazhne!".or "PennE!" as "pezhnE!". Why?
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.80.29) on: Tue Sep 9 07:29:15 EDT 2003
  
  I have seen most of our singers(SPB,P.SUSEELA,EVEN our Mestro) always sings "KannE! as "Kazhne!".or "PennE!" as "pezhnE!". Why?
  
  
• From: srina (@ 61.1.205.214) on: Thu Sep 11 10:52:10 EDT 2003
  
  i dont know why the singer[?] sings the the swaras "sa ri gha ma pa dha ni sa" as "sa ri gha mae pa dha ni se" in secret of success[boys].is it only for style?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.85.22) on: Fri Sep 12 05:53:26 EDT 2003
  
  Is this a style?
  
  
• From: Dubukku (@ 203.145.157.94) on: Fri Sep 12 06:15:25 EDT 2003
  
  I feel that all other languages other than Tamil are having 4 types of Ka, sa, Ta, tha,
  like
  ka1, ka2, ka3, ka4.
  Should tamil also invent those to fit in to needs and make pronunciations by other language singers a bit easy?
  
  
• From: TPK (@ 164.164.94.123) on: Fri Sep 12 08:32:37 EDT 2003
  
  Hi all,
  
  I am TPK, from Bangalore.
  Keeping apart the junk ones, one should really appreciate the singers, whose pronounciation is perfect.
  
  In that case, I would like to sincerely applaud Harish Raghavendra. I still ponder to find atleast one song, where his pronounciation is not proper. Specifically, the differentiation he makes in the different "la"s and "na"s in thamizh is amazing!
  
  Even, when he talks, his pronounciation is so clear, that it even sounds so dramatical - People like us are not used to clean pronounciation. His latest movie "Vikatan" is an example.
  
  Anyhow, hats off to this young singer.
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.195) on: Fri Sep 12 09:12:05 EDT 2003
  
  
  Dubukku,
  
  You've touched upon a very interesting area, viz., the lesser number of alphabets in Tamil. On the face of it, one gets an impression that it is a handicap. But on careful analysis, you'll realise that it is meant to be a strength & not a weakness!
  
  Sanskrit/Hindi has the following:
  
  1.ka,kha,ga,gha
  2.cha,chha,ja,jha
  3.ta,tta,da,dda
  4.tha,thha,dha,dhha
  5.pa,pha,ba,bha
  6.sa,sha(light),sha(strong),ksha and
  7. any number of combinations like, kra,pla,shri etc.,
  
  In Tamil, we have
  
  1. One ‘ka’ in written Tamil, which doubles up as ‘ga’ in spoken Tamil. One learns to use this based on context. eg., ‘mEkam’ (written) will always be pronounced as ‘mEgam’, after even a preliminary learning of Tamil. Further, one doesn’t need ‘kha’ and ‘gha’ in Tamil words. For example, ‘Ghatam’ (Sanskrit) can be pronounced as ‘gatam’ and is not construed as a mistake in Tamil.
  
  2. We have ‘cha’ and ‘ja’ in Tamil. Again, you don’t need ‘chha’ and ‘jhha’ to be a good singer in Tamil!
  
  3. One ‘ta’ in written Tamil, which doubles up as ‘da’ in spoken Tamil. Once again, you don’t need ‘tta’ and ‘dda’ in Tamil words.
  
  4. One ‘tha’ in written Tamil, which doubles up as ‘dha’ in spoken Tamil. You don’t need ‘thha’ and ‘dhha’ in Tamil words.One need not be a pulavar to understand the context and pronounce ‘Maathavi’ (written) always as ‘Maadhavi’.
  
  5. One written ‘pa’ doubles up as spoken ‘ba’. As for ‘bha’, ‘bhayam’ (Sanskrit) can be pronounced as ‘bayam’ in Tamil, without attracting penalty from teachers! (Of course, for English ‘f’ or ‘ph’, you need some compromise in the script!)
  
  6. Sa, sha(strong) and ksha are available in written and spoken Tamil (though in 90% of cases, written ‘cha’ easily doubles up for ‘sa’. eg. People write ‘charaswathi’ and pronounce ‘saraswathi’!). As for sha(light), you don’t need it anywhere in Tamil.
  
  7. Combinations are easily handled in written Tamil. ‘Prakaash’ is pronounced correctly and is written as ‘Pirakaash’ as Tamil grammar doesn’t permit you to start with a half alphabet (‘P’ in this case is an half alphabet as against ‘Pi’, which is a full alphabet.)
  
  After reading this rather tedious (!) writeup, you’ll appreciate that the number of alphabets has been consciously kept less in Tamil, perhaps for ease of learning the script! (Incidentally, Tamil has 256 alphabets compared to a much higher number in Hindi. May be for ease of remembering, you can remember the number of TN assembly seats (around 234) and that of UP!)
  
  Singers only need to show a little more sincerity in polishing their pronunciation! As I wrote in some other thread, it is the ‘Tamil- is- not- worth- the- bother- getting- the- pronunciation-right!’ or worse still ‘Tamils- are- not- worth- the- bother- getting- their- pronunciation-right’ attitude which is responsible for this sorry state of affairs!
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Fri Sep 12 12:27:12 EDT 2003
  
  Cinema Virumbi, hats off to you. I was about to present my views in similar lines. Tamizh DOES NOT need extra alphabets. As u rightly said the context based pronunciation is a speciality. Moreover another point which people fail to understand is the difference in pronunciation in conjunction with different words.
  
  For eg. 'iN' (as in 'Naththa') + 'Tha' gives a 'inDH' sound. Reading Thirupaavai and such similar creations would help one to appreciate this greatness!
  
  TPK, very true about Harish Raghavendra. Of the recent singers, I would place him on the first slot for flawless pronunication.
  
  
• From: JK (@ 61.11.76.181) on: Sat Sep 13 00:58:18 EDT 2003
  
  TPK! Your view about Harish is really true and i too like his pronounciation and many of my friends have also told me like that...
  
  Cinema Virumbi! Well said!
  
  

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