Topic started by Srikanth (@ passport.proxy.lucent.com) on Mon Sep 15 10:23:15 EDT 1997.
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Any new album by A. R. Rahman generates lot of buzz. Share some of it here. Review, discuss or comment on ARR's new albums.
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- From: Subbiah (@ 192.39.1.92)
on: Thu Jan 25 12:03:14 EST 2001
cosmiscian : when you analyse the thread's name so carefully and argue, why don't you please apply the same reasoning for the site's name too (tfmpage)... sorry, do not mistake me for pointing this out.
- From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38)
on: Thu Jan 25 16:08:17 EST 2001
Subbiah :
Sooner or later, ARR's hindi songs are anyway going to come out in tamil. So in a way Rahul is just preempting the discussion here. In fact, this very page has discussed Taal and Earth in sufficient detail.
While I do appreciate your interest in protecting the interests of TFMpage by discussing ONLY TFM, we need to honor the larger spirit of "discussing music" here. While amateur compositions, instrumental pieces, mallu film music of TFM MDs are being discussed at sufficient length in TFMpage, Rahul's act of talking about Zubeidaa is no crime!!
chandy
- From: param (@ 203.199.236.37)
on: Fri Jan 26 01:32:55 EST 2001
ARRahman fans are eagerly on the look out for a majja song like 'Anjathey jeeva'. Oh what a lyric by Vairamuthu. It makes one feel, that it is true if native singers are used to sing in their language, they really bring the expression of the lyric as Sivasidambaram did.
For a change, it can be tried some more!
Leave alone other things out, everyone knows that Chennai is composite state, with scope for the maximum multilingual cinema work 'at peace', for all folks, when compared to bolly or goltywood.
- From: Subbiah (@ 192.39.1.92)
on: Fri Jan 26 06:35:54 EST 2001
chandy :
I accept your points. At the same time, pls understand the benefits if there is a different site for HFM - many North Indian friends will visit and share their appreciation - many more good songs may also be talked about.
Digression : I do not like these Bollywood / Kollywood words - I understand that Kamal also has expressed his opinion about this - why should we painfully relate to Hollywood - Adimai raththama ?
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Fri Jan 26 06:46:29 EST 2001
Subbiah
Thanks...points noted and taken...That occured to me too.this is TFM.com...I think I had mentioned in the IR latest thread that Tamil music is maybe the most richest in the world as it has accepted and nurtured all styles of music...in the true Indian spirit...so I felt that as long as it concerned ARR, it could be discussed here...and maybe threads for hindi music influences in Tamil music or vice versa can be started too as long as they all relate to TFM...just a thought
- From: Vij (@ 203.200.1.184)
on: Fri Jan 26 09:33:20 EST 2001
cosmician: I don't really think we are talking about "influences" (Has a lot of meaning). What we can/will/are discussing is on ARR music AND purely music. Hope in future atleast there are no discrimination.
- From: vtv (@ 203.199.236.26)
on: Fri Jan 26 13:07:08 EST 2001
ARR used all the artistes from different states for Jana Gana. But there was not a pure representation from Tamilnadu except for ARR. Although Balamurali,SPB etc are telugu desis, stil l they live in Chennai only. With ARR fans,there is no discrimination.
Youve heard Pakistani singer in his album. You will hear Pachai Tamizhan like Sivasidambaram in his Hollywood or UK ballet ventures. It is sure to happen with unbiassed MD ARRahman.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Sat Jan 27 04:23:28 EST 2001
well said vtv
- From: Rahul (@ 203.129.236.51)
on: Sat Jan 27 08:41:05 EST 2001
Thanx cosmician!! you made me feel really proud by that "eye-opener" post.. :-) Though, i must say, it actually was an eye-opener of sorts for me too... As I never thought such prejudices exist... and I must say that there existence is really very unfortunate... Believe me, I am not the only northie who has Tamil cassettes and likes tamil music and/or ARR... I know some such people personally.. And I have myself introduced many of my "reluctant" friends to Tamil music.. Almost everyone I meet asks me how can I bear to listen songs of a language that I don't understand... So much so that I even buy tamil cassettes... Somewhat similar situation to what you said... That you don't know much about HFM.... Believe me, Though lyrics surely add to the beauty of a song, there are songs which are brilliant even without any understanding of lyrics... most of such songs are composed by ARR... :-) And I have seen people change their opinions after being made (:-) ) to listen songs like kannamoochchi, narumugaye, minnale, pachai nirame, katre en vaasal vandai... and many others... and that makes me happy... ending any prejudice make me happy... and that's why I felt on top of the world after reading that "eye-opener" remark... I would feel even more delighted if southies who don't listen to HFM purely because of uncomprehensible lyrics at least start giving these songs a fair listen... After all, listening to narumugaye gives me high.. and the fact that probably a person understanding Tamizha gets an even higher high doesn't lower my high in any way.. does it?? :-)
Thanx,
Rahul
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Sat Jan 27 10:53:33 EST 2001
Wow ! I didn't think Carnatic music had much takers up north (most of the ARR songs u have mentioned above are carnatic based)...I have to rethink my whole perception of music appreciation now...I listen to a lot of HFM too...actually the only Indian tapes I used to buy were ARR's Tamil songs...HFM I used to catch up on the various TV channels and enjoy them too...since I am more into music experimentation...I prefer ARR...and I have bought all of ARR's HFM as a result... this has now led me to buy Fiza and Mission Kashmir...apart from Hrithik Roshan in these films..the music was different too..."KKHH", the rain song in DTPH, "KNPH", "Baazigar", Pardes all had good numbers that I enjoyed...my only bone of contention was the lack of experimentation in HFM which now ARR has changed...
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Sat Jan 27 10:56:39 EST 2001
Rahul....your explanation above is another eye-opener...the spirit of India still lives..that makes me happy !
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Sat Jan 27 10:59:06 EST 2001
Point taken Vij..sorry !
- From: Subbiah (@ 62.252.192.4)
on: Sat Jan 27 13:55:42 EST 2001
Rahul - I am delighted to see your mail. You have penned your feelings/appreciation very beautifully. I can also invite you / your friends to taste other TFM composers' gems... (like Ilayaraaja - movies - start with Priya/Jaani - or visit www.raaga.com) You can not expect ARR's recording quality.. but content would enthrall you.
- From: vishagan (@ 203.197.137.103)
on: Sun Jan 28 04:07:04 EST 2001
ARRahman broke the 76s Propogand in Tamilnadu, that "Hindi filmsongs are being sung in Tamilnadu and Ilayarajah broke it", which was totally unwanted! What is wrong in listening to hindi songs in any state for that matter and what is wrong in listening to other non-regional language songs in other states? After all music is a language of feel by itself and it is only ARRahman who has proved it by his songs listened by one and all not only in India but also abroad uniformly! He has made names like Maharajan, Sivasidambaram and Srinivas to be known even to other states in India and internationally. That is his greatness of this great composer of our era.
- From: Subbiah (@ 62.252.192.4)
on: Sun Jan 28 16:22:34 EST 2001
Vishagan :
Good question. But not all guys are as broad-minded as you. Ask Doordarshan guys - for them Hindi is the foremost language... They do not even have the diligency to show English subtitles when the PM of India speaks in Hindi on Independence day.
How would you create National integrity through music - when junk music is promoted by Govt. media because it is in North Indian language and good music is not given due recognition because it is in a South Indian language ?
Yes Music does not have language... but politicians / bureacracy use language as a tool for power. So like a non-Hindi speaking person, his music would also remain 'second-rated'...
- From: Subbiah (@ 62.252.192.4)
on: Sun Jan 28 16:27:53 EST 2001
Another example - check the entertainment programme list in Air-India / Indian Airlines flights... There are two/three channels for Hindi songs - all other languages will share only one channel. Tamil/Telugu/Kannada/Malayalam/Oriya - from each language only one song will be chosen and played in a loop... So to listen to the only Tamil song you will have wait for half-an-hour !!
Can anyone persuade them saying 'Music does not have language - so choose songs only based on quality of music content and not language ?' Absolutely impossible...
- From: Subbiah (@ 62.252.192.4)
on: Sun Jan 28 16:31:09 EST 2001
Vishagan :
Good question. But not all guys are as broad-minded as you. Ask Doordarshan guys - for them Hindi is the foremost language... They do not even have the diligency to show English subtitles when the PM of India speaks in Hindi on Independence day.
How would you create National integrity through music - when junk music is promoted by Govt. media because it is in North Indian language and good music is not given due recognition because it is in a South Indian language ?
Yes Music does not have language... but politicians / bureacracy use language as a tool for power. So like a non-Hindi speaking person, his music would also remain 'second-rated'..
Another example... check the entertainment programmes / audio channels in AirIndia, Indian Airlines flights - see the weightage given to Hindi and other languages... To listen to the only Tamilsong on the list you will have to wait for atleast half-an-hour !! Shame...
Can we go and tell them ' Music does not have language.. Why don't you chose the songs only based on merit and not on language ?' Impossible ...
- From: Rahul (@ 203.129.236.51)
on: Sun Jan 28 16:47:55 EST 2001
Thanx cosmician!!! Though living here in IIT, I get to hear many comments attributing certain qualities based on region & language (gultis are like this only, bhaiyyas are like that only... look at that stereotypical gujju!! :-) ), I still feel that the spirit of the nation lives in more hearts than many people believe it does... And though I won't say any particular thing (like music) has any major contribution in this, I believe that its the icons.... the extraordinary men..who makes this thing easier for all... people like ARR, Sachin, Vishy Anand, Lata.... any some more... I hope this spirit lives on....... Amen!!!
bye,
Rahul
- From: kk (@ 172.139.26.105)
on: Sun Jan 28 23:33:34 EST 2001
vishagan,
there is nothing wrong listening to hindi songs agreed. But how many north indians listen to south indian songs? Is it any way hindi music superior to tamil/telugu music technicaly? Govt had a big media like DD and AIR, which they used only to promote hindi songs. Exceptions like rahul listening to tamil songs is no big deal (looks like he doesnt know MSV, IR, KVM etc, dont tell me he know sivachidambarm!).
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