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Rock Music in TFM???

Topic started by cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on Mon Jul 14 15:44:07 EDT 1997.
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• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.65) on: Mon Apr 10 12:35:46 EDT 2000
  
  eden, rjay,
  Good thoughts and additions from both of you. Rock encompasses all categories that when a song like "Mustaffa" or "Thoalin Maelae" has a flavor of other genres I would still call it a rock song. In Western rock'n roll, you see strong Opera influences in Queen's and Who's music, but it's still rock'n roll, similarly Sting has tried Jazz and reggae in his albums but it's still rock'n roll.
  
  A purely reggae song in TFM would be, "Oaoah kicku yaeruthae" from Padayappa because it maintains the reggae dirge throughout in rhythm.
  
  For strong Afro sounds, the charanam stanzas of IR's "Thaai Ariyaatha Thaamarayae" from Arangaetra Vaelai is a good example. But even here the song comes back to a traditional TFM melody in its pallavi. So, like rjay has mentioned, with IR and ARR there's usually several genres at play in one song but I go with the predominant character of a song.
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.26.235) on: Mon Apr 10 12:51:22 EDT 2000
  
  excuse me, does "rock(u) muththu rock(u)" go in this list ? :-)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 13:06:04 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya
  
  If my understanding is right,
  Oaiah kicku yaeruthae is not reggae.
  It is latin-chacha. Reggae is characterized
  by a lack of periodic drum or bongo percussion. Instead
  the flowing bass and the guitar stabs
  form the pulse for percussion and aperiodic
  percussive touches flow. (Best as in
  Puducheri intro).
  
  
• From: satheesh (@ sandalwood.cisco.com) on: Mon Apr 10 13:06:32 EDT 2000
  
  Nobody would dare to compose a full rock/metal song in TFM, since there are not much audience. There are some old songs which fall under this category, though.
  A few songs from "ninaithaley inikkum" (MSV) are in old rock style.
  Another old song "thottal poo malarum" has some amazing rock syle interludes :-)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 13:14:37 EDT 2000
  
  Satheesh,
  
  Thottal poo malarum is 100% Thai music.
  The use of the Hawaiian guitar which might have
  given you the impression.
  
  I have listened to strikingly similar
  pentatonic Thai music. The elements of
  this style are the hawainn guitar,
  arpeggiating
  harplike instruments (maybe a South Asian
  chinese lute), the bongo rolls and slow
  rhythm and the
  Sudhdha dhanyasi (pentatonic scale).
  
  All said, the song is a MSV marvel. Very
  innovative use of claps and silence as the
  back up during the pallavi. And what a melody!
  I am sure this will be a hit in Thailand if
  released there today!
  Does anybody know a webpresence (real audio)
  of this song?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 13:19:07 EDT 2000
  
  Sorry kicku aeruthae is not latin-chacha.
  It is latin-merengue rhythm.
  That was a slip of my keyboard!
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 232.newark-25-30rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon Apr 10 13:25:16 EDT 2000
  
  Enna RJAY,
  
  Thanks for placing the genre of "Thottal poo malarum". I would have never related into Thai music. It makes sense.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 13:46:28 EDT 2000
  
  Yeah it is a one-of-a-kind song in TFM
  without a predecessor or a successor.
  At least I have not thought through!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.132) on: Mon Apr 10 13:56:05 EDT 2000
  
  Reggae is characterized by a lack of periodic drum or bongo percussion
  
  This is news to me, rjay. If one thing I characterize reggae music by it's the monotone rhythm (usually bass and drums going hand in hand) that pummels you into a trance. This I've noticed in Bob and Ziggy Marley, Peter Tosh, and modern pop/reggae like Aswad, UB40, etc.
  
  I've heard Latin/South American music but I can't differentiate the fine lines between salsa(which I thought was frenetic dance music), chacha, tango and meringue.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 14:08:06 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya
  
  I have heard very little, not as broadly
  as you have done. I had formed this
  view of Reggae from what I have read that the
  chopped rhythms and the jerky percussion
  are the mark of Reggae. I may be wrong.
  
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Mon Apr 10 15:37:00 EDT 2000
  
  rjay,
  
  as far as i understand, the defining aspect of reggae is that the accent always occurs on the upbeat supported by a (usually) flowing bass. it is interesting to note that reggae as we know now is entirely developed by the marley brothers, but proto-reggae styles could be found in many western classical compositions and tfm (mainly msv). as and when i remember, i will quote examples.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Mon Apr 10 16:28:56 EDT 2000
  
  thank you aruLaracan.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ host2.cvs.aa.net) on: Mon Apr 10 19:03:29 EDT 2000
  
  ravi,
  how about:
  engal kalayan galata kalyam has very good harmony and notable point is the running bass.
  Especially the saranam moves wonderfully in harmony.
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 11 11:52:52 EDT 2000
  
  Yeah, and the song has an innovative use of
  a laughing (musical laughing?).
  
  
• From: Neels (@ ppp-203-197-9-144.bom.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Apr 12 10:25:49 EDT 2000
  
  Can "POttu Vaitha KAdhal Thittam OK KaNmani" from 'SingAravElan' be classified as Rock?
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw3-o.oracle.com) on: Wed Apr 12 19:33:36 EDT 2000
  
  Neels... Metal!!?? :-))
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Thu Apr 13 11:55:37 EDT 2000
  
  You are right haris.
  The lead guitar sound and the drum rhythms are
  definitely metal/heavy rock.
  
  But the melody is the standard scale (Suddha
  dhanyasi) Raaja has used for many dance songs -
  Ilamai idho idho, Meham kottattum, and others.
  So it is definitely not metal, (thankfully!)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ ) on: Mon Feb 12 15:15:02 EST 2001
  
  I came up with some additions to this thread.
  --Do you guys remember, “Ninaithathai nadathiyae mudippavan naan naan” from some MGR movie? It has an amazing tempo like I’ve never heard before in TFM. I’m not sure if it’s just MSV or Viswanathan-Ramamurthy. The song starts out slow and then goes in a breakneck speed with bongos and jazz horns, then halts again and does a ragtime drag with the horns and strings then speeds up again. The vocals are controlled and fluid with perfect transitions by TMS and the wonderful, underrated, outcast LRE. This is a great, great composition with Jazz and R&B influences. Too bad the song is a preachy, statement song for MGR, or else it might have earned its musical merits.
  --“Marandhae poachu romba naal aachu” is another 60s style rock song in TFM. The drums and guitars are great (this song’s influence or similarity can be seen in T.Rajendar’s “Nenjam paadum pudhiya raagam,” another memorable rock song) but it’s the high-pitched flute that steals the show in this song. And you have my pick of the perfect voices for a rock duet in TFM: SPB and LRE.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Feb 12 15:46:26 EST 2001
  
  The rock guitar part in "vaa sakhi vaa sakhi" music-vidyaasagar
  
  
• From: guru (@ 63.102.55.194) on: Mon Feb 12 16:13:27 EST 2001
  
  the best rock song is "adi rocku muthu rocku" :-)
  
  
• From: IsaiAdimai (@ 63.114.212.254) on: Mon Feb 12 16:21:07 EST 2001
  
  Consider the starting music of Senyorita , I love you, song from Johny. Its perfect sample of rock music. It resembles ladzapleine a lot . Similarly, the starting guitar of Sandana Kaatre song of Thambi kku Enda Ooru.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.218) on: Tue Feb 13 04:37:20 EST 2001
  
  IA-`sandhanakAtRe' is from thankikkattu rAjA:-)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue Feb 13 11:13:28 EST 2001
  
  how about visvanathan velai venum?
  
  
• From: IsaiAdimai. (@ 63.114.212.254) on: Tue Feb 13 12:45:30 EST 2001
  
  Eden,
  
  Sorry about that .....
  
  One more example, second stanza interlude of the song Poove Sempoove , of Solla THudikudu manasu. It has excellent electric guitar piece to start with.
  
  
• From: SL (@ 207.82.165.100) on: Tue Feb 13 14:46:21 EST 2001
  
  Udhaya, that song is by MSV. Can I include
  'Rock kozhi koovum nEram' in the list ?:))
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195) on: Wed Feb 14 04:01:52 EST 2001
  
  SL,
  
  i know u have restricted ur urge to include adi rock amma kayya thattu also.
  
  if u include that then u have to classify it under Metal Rock because it is starting with a adi (beat), extra :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195) on: Wed Feb 14 04:06:40 EST 2001
  
  btw pundits,
  
  do the songs
  sombho siva sambo from Ninaithaalae inikkum and
  sorgam madhuvilae from sattam yen kaiyyil
  come under any of the rock's classifications?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ ) on: Thu Feb 22 15:45:03 EST 2001
  
  Siva Sambho seems to be the most elusive song for
  classification!
  It has a middle easternish melody line and
  an unusual (not easily countable) rhythm pattern(on some Kerala folk instrument). Can someone think of other songs similar to that?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 206.150.228.62) on: Thu Feb 22 15:46:46 EST 2001
  
  Grammy winning "Dont worry be happy" has very
  surprising similarities to the Chandrababu hit
  Buddhi ulla manidhar ellam. Dont worry is a Reggae
  song.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Feb 22 16:12:03 EST 2001
  
  rjay,
  
  I don't find any similarities between Chandrababu's and Bob Mcferrin(spelling may be wrong) from a non-musical point of view.I maybe wrong.
  Could you elaborate on the similarity?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 206.150.228.62) on: Thu Feb 22 16:22:07 EST 2001
  
  Trend
  To my ears the 'musical feel' of the songs are same,
  you can sing one song and switch to another
  without loss of continuity. You can use interlude of one in the other. Am I too far-fetched?
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Feb 22 16:36:11 EST 2001
  
  rjay,
  
  I don't have any musical knowledge.So,I can't use any terminology.I will try to say why I think it may not be similar:
  
  In Chandrababu's song,when it starts "Buddhi" it goes high then it stays low or comes down at "ulla" this goes on until "Buddhisaali illai".
  The song is sung with that strain and the music too enhances that.
  
  Whereas in "Don't worry be happy" the tune ambles along smoothly without any variations.The pitch of the voice too doesn't change considerably.
  
  If what I said above doesn't make sense just disregard.
  
  

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